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🍺🍺🍺 Cheers and amen. Health insurance companies, big pharma, medical equipment companies and their lobbyists are a major part of the problem imo. No one puts them in check. We are one of the only major countries that doesn't standardize and regulate healthcare costs. In countries like Japan, you see a list of prices for every treatment, medicine and procedure. Those same prices are standard for every hospital and clinic. It's crazy we don't do it here. Another issue is how the doctors in the US can be sued for malpractice, so naturally they charge more to cover their back end. Other countries protect their doctors from this kind of lawsuit, but they also make less money and lose their license after repeated negative results. To go along with doctors and surgeons making less in other countries, the government also helps them with their medical school. France has an awesome idea about medical ID cards, similar to a drivers license. Your whole medical history is downloaded and stored onto this card every time you receive treatment, starting when you are a child. This promotes synergy and coordination when you receive care at different facilities. They can pull up your whole medical history, allergies and prescription use immediately. Saving money in the long run.

Thanks for the solid response. I personally don't think Obamacare is going to fail and we are going to be stuck with it. I'm with you on entitlements, they encourage dependence and laziness. Social programs and entitlements should only be kept for the extremely poor, disabled or elderly. We have to get the leeches off of the system to encourage hard work and self dependence again.

Respectfully, would taking health insurance from 20 million people be the most humane approach? What would address the fact that healthcare costs and premiums have been rising for decades? I absolutely agree that the current way is unsustainable, and the people who experienced 200% premium hikes to make up for the newly insured is unfair to them.

Agreed. Is it better for the Repubs to suck it up and work with the Dems to fix it? Or should they let it crash and burn? I wanna know what you guys think they should do from here. It seems as if the current administration isn't going to draft a new bill anytime soon.

Only one or two? Soft azz queefcake. Notice how multiple people are calling you out on your stupidity? And for the record I have never been to BBMB in my life. My Pops told me this was the best site a long time ago

I've lurked on this website since I was 18 years old, over 11 years ago. I used to stick to only football, now I'm getting interested in politics. That spells bad news for you slim peeper, because it's pretty easy to make you look like a !@#$ing dumbass.

Are you really that much of a partisan hack? It was the Republicans who couldn't agree on this today, you moron. I want you to come back here and apologize when Trump and his cronies start to work with the Dems to fix Obamacare. The ACA was a bad piece of legislation, and it was forced through. No one is arguing that. But what have we heard the past seven years? Replace and repeal. You, Trump, and Paul Ryan are a joke.

That must be why the Democrats are celebrating this as a win today. Trump said he was going to repeal Obamacare and replace it simultaneously with something better, period. Blaming this on the Democrats is one of the stupidest !@#$ing things I've ever read on this site.

Trump just met with the house-freedom caucus and as of right now, most, if not all of them are not on board. Without a lot of their votes, I don't see how the bill passes later today.

Yeah, maybe you need some more kitty. You sound like a miserable !@#$ pretending to be an internet tough guy. Slim peeper!

No F'in way, McDermott has made it a point to bring in leaders and high character guys. There are other backs to take, not this bum.

If we pick up a legit number 2 in the draft to go along with Sammy, I think we have enough 3rd, 4th and 5th receivers to have a decent WR squad going into the year.

Haha okay slim reaper you are pathetic. Lighten up Francis

Damnit Tom! Now I'm sucked right back into this mess. Tell us more haha

I wish we could put this **** on the back burner until it is decided and over with. Right now there is nothing but pure speculation from both sides, it's getting !@#$ing ridiculous. None of us are reading classified info or have inside sources. We are simply pissing in the wind by claiming they colluded or didn't collude. We don't know **** at this point in time. 7 Miller lites in and I almost threw the remote at Don Lemon's powdered up face for continuously trying to make news out of nothing and hype up dems by using ifs, possiblys and maybes. The left is clowning them self by prematurely freaking out, and the right looks guilty for adamantly denying every claim. I apologize, I didn't use the word correctly. Touché. I should of said they are both partisan hacks.

Yawn..... Intelligence committees should never put their country before their party right?

The headlines coming from the two chairman are way too bipartisan right now for me to care or believe either of them. I will withhold judgement for a month or two until this is over. Please for the love of god let this end quickly so we can get to the important issues. Haha same here. This is getting ridiculous.

Logic already said it, but Schiff is claiming there is more than just circumstantial evidence of collusion. Him and Nunes aren't even close to being on the same page. The drip drip continues.

Agree to disagree and I guess we will see in the long run. Have a good one GG, I'm heading to the golf course and am backing out of this convo.

A basic level of universal care is not market based but whatever. I don't know how old you are but before you die fairy tales might just come true. We are moving towards single payer whether you like it or not.

B-man it is too early for anyone without access to classified material to truly know if there was collusion or not. The investigations and hearings will take months. It could very well just be a lot of smoke and a media frenzy. I personally think Manafort, Roger Stone and Carter Page are the ones that would likely be charged with something. Trump would have to be a huge idiot to knowingly collude with the Russians.

I can't argue with that, and agree with most of the points you have made. I'm just saying costs go down in countries where healthcare is regulated by the government. Citizens don't pay large insurance premiums but their taxes go up. Thanks guys for the debate btw, I love this type of ****. I'm not saying I have all the answers or the solution. Just pointing out we could take parts of other country's health systems to improve ours.

I absolutely agree that we have too many people living off of the government. I said above that we should get the leeches off the system, and keep social programs for only the people that really need it. I don't think the government intervening is an ideal solution for healthcare, but it is the only way to regulate costs and get prices down for the average American. Entitlements encourage laziness and dependence, but I feel that healthcare is different. The current way is not working, everyone here will see in the next decade or two. Millions don't have insurance or access to Medicaid. Giving them a basic level of care actually would be different. I'm too harsh to be a liberal, and have never had a handout or entitlement in my life. All I am saying is we have to do something because it currently is not working.

I say give the degenerates a basic level of care and cap them if they meet a limit or don't start improving heir health. We are going to end up paying for them one way or another when they go to the ER imo. Educating them is important, they actually don't get that when they go to the ER, compared with having regular checkups and a doctor who monitors heir health and encourages them to do better. If that still doesn't work, set limits and health requirements/targets for them to meet. If they can't, they receive the bare minimum to stay alive or lose access. Penalties might help.