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Those are five hella impressive plays right there. Williams did that essentially one handed. And yeah, he killed Cutler. That's a game changing hit indeed. Perhaps more impressive is that catch by Woods. Goodness.

Oh, snap. This is news to me about Starks. Fortunately Jared Odrick and Earl Mitchell can hold down the D Line pretty well, but in terms of their backups it gets iffy. Anthony Johnson is a great UDFA that ended up making the roster. Bruce Gaston I can't vouch for.

I'll give you that he's clearly more of the full package than wake. But I guess my counter point would be in this day-in-age, a pass rusher as good as Cam Wake is so hard to come by. And I don't want to discount his run blocking skills either, because while they aren't Williams-esqe, they are still above average. I look back to the Cincinatti game from last year as an example of his complete game changing abilities. OT with Dalton backed up in his endzone, Wake sacks him for a safety, game over. Of course Williams is capable of doing the same, and maybe it's just because I don't follow the Bills enough, but I just don't seem to hear about those game changing plays from Williams as much as Wake. I acknowledge the clear bias of that last sentence in regards to seeing Wake play every week and not Mario.

He's definitely on the hot seat this year. He and Philbin are pretty much linked at the hip as far as this season goes. And I'm with you to a degree. He's too inconsistent. Thing is, it's really hard for me to judge his performance last year with that oline. I mean, statistically he improved a lot from 2012, and with absolutely no protection I'd say he didn't do half bad. And you can see with even a player like Tom Brady, who had statistically his worst performance ever last week, actually one of the worst performances by any quarterback in a long time, that a bad oline can make or break a QB. Tanne only got sacked once last week, and while he shined in the second half, the first half he was struggling a bit. Sometimes he just makes some throws that you have to scratch your head at....like the pick last week....it was just atrocious. But he's a warrior. He has some great intangibles. A short memory, and nothing ever seems to rattle him. After last season he could've simply given up, and I guess you can argue he did by week 15 against you guys haha, but honestly I'm amazed he made it through the full season without a wheelchair last year. So this year is really the tell-tale season for him. If our oline looks as good as it did last week for the whole season and he still struggles, well then we move on. If we make the playoffs, he stays...along with Joe. But yeah, he's a tricky player to evaluate. But there's no doubt he's got the tools, and if he improves at the same rate as 2012-2013 then he should throw about 40 tds this year....but that seems a bit far fetched. I'm more worried about decreasing the INTs. The tds will come with this new offensive system by Bill Lazor.

'Preciate it. This is a great forum, btw. Reminds me a lot of my personal go to Dolphins site, finheaven, in terms of the amount of solid contributions and content. Haha I hear you. I always support the Bills too. It doesn't hurt that all my friends are fans and I'm watching them every year at St John Fisher. They are no doubt on the upswing.

Now this right here is what I'm talking about. Good insight, I learned a couple things from this post! I will definitely admit you guys have the upper hand off the bat from the two wins last year, and the major HF advantage. And I hear you in regards to simply stating who is better than whom. I'll work on add a little more substance to my posts! I, too am expecting a great game!

Right backatchya!

Well in my defense I said 3rd quarter is where we will start to show our dominance, it won't be a blowout by the half. I still think it will be close. And the last point is one of my main concerns actually. The HF advantage is bigger than it's ever been this week for Buffalo.

I think you're just upset I'm not saying exactly what you want to hear. I give the Bills credit for a great D and a great run game, you must have missed that in previous posts of mine. Try not to get so worked up and just take my opinions as they are -- opinions from a fan of the opposing team.

I'll admit I got a little heated making some points, but I think discussion between fans is good. It makes my work day go by faster anyway

oh my bad, I didn't read that correctly. that's true that Wake has his hands full again this year. Again, reality is subjective. Reality on this forum and finheaven.com forums seems to differ drastically. I mean, we're given even odds in this away game, so some outside sources have to agree that the Fins have a good shot. My apologies if I came across disrespectful to some. I actually like the Bills, that's part of why I'm here as I'm from Rochester, but I still believe the Fins will win.

In his defense, Wake was hurt last year. But Glenn is a great player, no disputing that. Your whole oline is good. But to not be concerned about Wake's presence though would be a bit silly. He's still amazing.

Jenkins and McCain will be starters next year, guaranteed barring injury. Not equivalent to street players.

I'm not saying what you want to hear, so ignore me? If the Fins do beat up on you guys this week, will you eat crow, because if the opposite happens I'll certainly be here to do so. I'll be here either way I suppose. But I'm actually trying to have a decent convo about the game. People seem to be lashing out with similar homerisms that you're accusing me of. If you said the same stuff on a dolphins forum, you'd be the homer, so have some perspective please.

Essentially the same oline? how can 5 different players be the same o line? i don't get that. unless we have richie incognito and j martin going disguised in someone elses jersey....

Dude. we gave up 58 sacks last year. 5 unpeeled potatoes could've protected Tannehill better. Our new oline is better simply by default. But i've been amazed at how good they are actually gelling together. Once Pouncey is back in week 3 or 4, it's going to be even better.

Forget the Hartline comment. Skill wise Watkins is obviously better, but not yet in his career.

why try and twist my words? I clearly said he's been on the team 4 years, not started. OP said street free agents...so they are clearly wrong there. dude is a freaking captain. and he looked good last week, good enough at least. Wow. against 5 OL that aren't playing this week lol. We have a new, much much better oline. Whats the point of saying what Williams did to Tyson Clabo and Jonathan Martin last year lol?

What it really comes down to for me is this: Which offense will struggle more against which defense? If you're going off last year, you guys take the win hands down. But this is a new squad. New offense, new enthusiasm. Pretty much all aspects of our team are improved. Your D is overall better than ours, but I believe our O is better than yours. I just don't have faith that Manuel is the real deal. So as long as we can stop the run, which is not guaranteed at all, we have the better shot in my opinion.

Well, with all do respect, one of us is most definitely out of our minds it appears. Let me start with WR. Mike Wallace is better than any of your WRs, easily. Brian Hartline probably is too, but I won't try and make that argument. So there we automatically win the WR convo with Mike Wallace alone. RBs you win no doubt, but with Moreno it's closer than it would have been. LT comment is pretty much a joke, as Branden Albert is probably better than Glenn, but I'll call them equal for the sake of this argument. and quite frankly your QB comment is laughable as well. anyone with any knowledge on the NFL would take Tannehill over Manuel, it's not even a question. That's not me being a biased fan, that's just reality. And I'm not even making the argument that Tanne is amazing, because he clearly is not even close -- yet. But to claim he's worse than Manuel, who hasn't even played a full NFL season, is delusional.

Street free agents? Trusnik, our middle LB has been on the team 4 years and is a captain, this is Jenkins second season and he was fantastic last week, and our UFA Chris McCain is the next big star in the NFL, in my opinion. There are plenty of people that think that this LB core is better than our original three. When we get Misi back it's going to be dangerous. He might even be back this week, too. Safety is also Jimmy Wilson, who has been on the team three years, and has been our starting nickelback for a couple. He graded out really well according to PFF last week too. Was the best player next to Wake, I believe. These guys are more than competent. As long as they can stop the run, which isn't going to be easy, they have good odds in my opinion.

Your DL is great, I never disputed that. So is ours. JuWaun James has been going against Wake all training camp. Cam Wake > Mario Williams, bottom line there. JuWaun is going to have his hands full, but he is the real deal. If you're really going to go that route, you should be unable to sleep this week thinking about what Wake is going to do to that 7th rounder, I forget his name. He's got no chance. -------- Bottom line is, though, these are two great defenses going up against each other. So it's really going to come down to who's O is better, and there's pretty much no disputing that Miami has the overall better O. You can argue that point all you want, but you'd be the homer in that instance.

Randy Starks is one of the best DTs in the league, and Earl Mitchell absolutely dominated last week, so I wouldn't look past either of them. I think if Tannehill is on point this week, the Dolphins most definitely have the advantage. The Dolphins are going to be stacking the box all day, forcing EJ to use his arm. So if it comes down to Tanne vs. EJ, then I'm taking the Phins 10 times out of 10. Cam Wake should also have a field day on your 7th round rookie tackle, and if he's opposite Cam then Vernon isn't a much easier task. I forsee at least one or two turnovers by EJ by the end of the game due to pressure from them. The second half is where the Dolphins have the ability to break the game open, though. As long as our oline can hold its own and keep Tanne upright, I don't see Bills overcoming the odds to win it. Even with the major home field advantage. Our D is just too much for your O to handle. Our LB core is the weakest link, and even they played lights out last week, Should be a good game until about the mid 3rd quarter in my opinion. Then I forsee the Bills O self imploding.

I expect Misi and Wheeler, 2 of the 3 injured LBs to be back this week. Ellerbe is out for the season. Thing is, I'm not even sure I want them back -- Wheeler that is. Misi is a definite upgrade from our starter last week Trusnik who actually had a great game. In regards to point 1....That was the thing that shocked me the most about the game, Philbin/Coyle/Lazor straight up outcoached the pats. It didn't hurt that Wake and Vernon were able to pin their ears back without giving any regard to stopping the run. Our D line looked almost unstoppable in the second half of last week. If I were Buffalo, my biggest concern would be making sure the O line was conditioned enough to face the our D line for a full 60 minutes. Cam Wake was truly a man among boys at certain points in that second half.

Lazor is a bright mind, I wouldn't discount his system because he's a first year O coordinator. The closest thing our offense resembles is Philly, but it's even a bit different from that. Here's a pretty good breakdown of our offensive plays from last week if anyone's interested: http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?357237-Dolphins-use-Read-option-on-54-of-snaps-vs-Pats-Complete-Lazor-Offense-Breakdown