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Hasn't Whaley only been in charge of the last two drafts? It seems to get complicated if we try to give him credit or ding him for any drafts or specific draft picks before the last two.
I cannot give Whaley all that much credit for the Watkins pick since Watkins was viewed as the top WR in the draft going into that draft and the Bills gave up a first and fourth to get him. My view is that a GM shows drafting expertise when a player far exceeds expectations based on where he was picked or the GM bypasses more highly rated players at a specific position and drafts a player with a lower rating who turns out to be the superior player.
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We need this to be a bang-up QB class in 2016. The mass is there; just a question of how many of the fringe guys will show franchise potential. It's a pretty solid list:
Cook
C. Jones
Kessler
Goff
Brissett
Boykin
Hogan
Prescott
Hackenberg
If half of those guys could elevate themselves to 1st round status, and 2 of the others show 2nd-round quality, that'll bode well for Buffalo nabbing a good prospect.
This will be a really fun college football season for fans of NFL teams who need to draft a QB. I think there are some nice pro-style guys in the mix along with some exciting spread QBs. Many need to take a step this year in one way or another, but tons of potential out there.
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Spot on. I'll add: right now he's not a guy who will win a road
playoffgame. No way.Fixed.
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Only time will tell. I would have taken La el Collins though , not one team even in the 7th , very curious.
His agent told every team not to take him as he would just enter the 2016 draft if they did.
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Believe me, it's DIRE.
That's the excuse many Bills fans use EVERY YEAR the Bills don't select a QB, "oh, but we signed XXX" or "there wasn't a QB worthy of a 1st round or 2nd round or 3rd round pick"
How about this statistic, in the last 8 drafts, the Bills have selected 2 QB's in the entire draft, a 1st round pick on EJ and a 7th round pick on Levi Brown. 8 years, 2 QB's.
In that same timeframe, the Bills passed on the following QB's in the draft (Ru Wilson, Bridgewater, Da Carr, Foles, Dalton, Kaepernick, Flacco)
Not to mention NOT trading UP to take some of the other QB's that weren't available at their selection. But, they did trade up for a WR!!
Why would they have taken a QB in the 1st or 2nd last year when they just took one in the 1st the year before though? I get the frustration believe me... but I guess I have a hard time looking too far back to criticize the current. You can drive yourself nuts that way. They just took a guy, you need to develop him. You are what you are by year 3. If he doesn't step into the desired role this year then you take another one as high as possible next year. That's just my opinion. Unless there was someone worthy other there this year you can't pass up, but there wasn't. Bridgewater and Carr aren't any better than Manuel are they? Looked decent at times but overall inconsistent as you would expect. I mean, they looked better than Manziel and Bortles.
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Would you rather Sammy Watkins or Gilbert & Erving?
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I heard what he said on draft day. The point he was making was that the Bills are weak at the QB position and haven't addressed it in the offseason.
The point I'm making, is why would you expect anything but weakness at a position that has essentially been ignored over the past 11 years.
They signed two QBs didn't they? I assume they felt they were better short term prospects that the play dough available in the draft. I mean I'm not even a Bills fan and I would have been surprised if they took any of these guys. Didn't they also try to trade for Bradford? I don't think your QB situation is as dire as you do. Just go out and win games. They aren't playing with a rookie out there or anything.
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Read the title of thread "Polian critical of Bills not drafting a QB"
As for Cleveland, eventually it does work, just ask Seattle, San Francisco and maybe Minnesota and Oakland. You will never get a franchise QB if you don't try.
Did you read anything other than the title? Just wondering. He wasn't saying they should have traded into the 1st round. Or reach in the 2nd. Your post was about taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd round?
The Bills took a QB in the 1st rd the year before Minnesota and Oakland did. SF took one in 2011 and not since then. Seattle? When did they take one in the 1st or 2nd? The Bills JUST took one. What is the last 11 years about? Is this the same GM? Your posts are incongruent to Polian's comments. Polian said they should have taken a QB to compete for the starting job this year. There were none projected to do this with any team, outside of the top 2.
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Final haul:
Justin Gilbert -- Bust until proven otherwise
Cam Erving - G/C might not play his natural position until 2016
traded the 4th for a 5th
Still no #1 WR
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This is the offensive version of the Michael Bennett fall to the 6th rd. O'Leary is extremely productive but a bit undersized and system-specific, which led other teams to pass. What an awesome fit and value.
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According to rotoworld he has a no trade clause too. I didn't know his contract was so big. Although if he's willing to opt out, he wants to win and may be more flexible about salary.
I bet that was part of the transition tag offer sheet from Jax that Cleveland matched.
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The RB position seems crowded at the moment - but either before this year or next years season begins it will look a lot different. We are re-loading. The smart teams stay ahead of these situations and bring in rookies to play later when it's time to move away from a veteran (more expensive contract) to sign your key players.
Bingo. This concept has always been hard for fans to understand. It is an adjustment to your team having a loaded roster and winning record, being a huge player in FA plus signing your own FAs and not creating holes you need to fill in the draft You are used to having obvious needs to fill and drafting high. It is very easy to understand those drafts. Drafts in NE, Seattle and now yours are geared toward the future though I am sure the OL will get a chance to start. Pretty exciting for ya'll.
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You just drafted a QB in the 1st rd two years ago, right?Why not develop the guy you already have? How many QBs do you want the coached spending time developing - I'd rather try to win games. You have 4 QBs. I could se if there was a guy out there that they loved but no team that needed a QB seemed to love anyone. Bryce Petty lasted all the way until the 4th round.
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Over the past 11 drafts, the Bills have only used ONE 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. Let that sink in.
Only once in the past 11 years, have the Bills used one of their 1st or 2nd round picks to "take a shot" on a QB !!
Any of you who want to defend that fact with the backdrop of the crap we've had playing QB over that same time period, have at it.
What does that have to do with what Polian said? BTW the Browns have done the opposite. Same result.
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How about McKelvin for alex mack? Pettine knows McKelvin and word is mack has a reason for an opt out clause. He or wood could play G.
Mack is definitely only going to play Center. I think you would need to give up more than McKelvin. Mack is an all-pro level talent. Browns won't just give him away, even though they drafted his replacement. Also - do you want his contract? He makes like 10m/yr and wants more.
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Cam Erving.... basically a pick for the future. His best position is Center and we have Alex Mack. He is not a 1st rd talent at OG. Essentially it is a wasted pick because they will let Mack walk and use Ervin to plug the hole in 2016. And we still don't have a #1 WR. I hate this trade even more now. Love our 1st pick though so that's keeping me happy.
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Pettine really liked this guy and compared him to Joe Haden.
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For good teams, the draft is about building the roster into the future. For bad teams, they are drafting in the top 10 and need to plug a bunch of holes. Those teams will always have "good" drafts because their needs are obvious to the outsiders. Fans who follow the teams closely can usually see the future needs and the roster enough to not worry about grades from outsiders.
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I don't usually agree with Walt's rankings overall, but here's 24 names at QB http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php
Jones is as big as a DE and can throw the ball 80 yards with the flick of his wrist.
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Why draft a bad QB prospect just to say you drafted a QB? That's what scouts are for. Taking a longshot on a QB is ok in the 6th or 7th but wasting a pick a player who you don't think is ever going to be any more than a backup when you already have (sorry) 3 backups is flawed logic. Draft good QBs. This was a horrible QB class. I saw the piece on ESPN and I agree with the OP - Polian was not talking about just not drafting one at all, he was saying they should have drafted one to compete for the starting job this year. I don't think he knows the Bills have a 3-way competition and I have no idea who he thinks could compete for a starting position in 2015 out of the QB class this year outside of Winston and Mariota. The Browns and Texans are not being criticized for not taking a QB. The only criticism of the Browns is they refused to give up enough for Mariota.
I don't understand "just take a shot! You never know!" Really? The scouts' job is to determine how long it will take these QBs to become franchise QBs or if they ever be starters. The Bills have 4 QBs better equipped to start NFL games than any of the players they could have drafted this year. The Bills could have burned a 3rd rd pick on Petty, a 4th on Hundley, traded up for Grayson, but they would have not gotten their CB or OL and the QB wouldn't have (hopefully) seen the field for years. How does that help you. You could just take a better QB next year. Draft players, not positions. Where would they even keep this Project QB? The PS? They can't keep 4 QBs active. Are they even going to keep 3 active?
The Browns QB depth chart is Josh McCown, Johnny Rehab,Thad Lewis, and Connor Shaw and even we didn't take one of these QBs. And we had 12 picks! If the teams think there is someone out there that can help them they will pursue them. If they don't, they don't waste a pick and their time.
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He is in the 3rd year of his deal, correct? Steelers won't want to set a precedent of re-negotiating so soon. Lots of guys skip voluntary OTAs to "send a message." Let's see if he misses anything that will cost him $.
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So ANY opinion or feeling, is reasonable?
He can do what he likes, but the discussion is about his motivation for saying he doesn't want to play in LA. We are working with the information that has been made public, and the reason he gave doesn't make much sense. This has been discussed on the radio here in both LA and SD, and plenty questioned his statement, and countered with the same points I made.
It might read well to people elsewhere in the country, though... "yeah, he doesn't want his kids in that liberal cesspool of sin, Los Angeles", but anyone that has been through the area south of LA knows that it is nothing like the city. It's the Orange Curtain..
And again, if he was REALLY super concerned, he could remain in his current home, and commute to LA. Plenty of people have longer commutes.
With all due respect, this doesn't make sense to me. I admit I do have connection to the SD organization/front office. The practice facility will be in LA, exact location TBD, if they move. It will not be halfway between SD and LA. It will be in LA. The stadium with be in Carson. Until it is built, they will be playing at the Rose Bowl. The commute from where he lives in SD to anywhere in LA, with the traffic there, is not something he wants or needs to deal with on a daily basis. Sure, plenty of people have longer commutes. Because they want to, or because they have to. He doesn't fall into either category because he is about to become a FA, and he isn't convinced the team is built to win a SB. He isn't interested in driving an hour and a half to 2 hours each way. He wants to see his family. He is the type of guy who practically lives at the facility at it is. He wants to be close to home. He goes to mass every morning. It is his routine, and he likes it. I get people questioning him, but in many people's opinion there is a much different lifestyle in LA than in SD.
nope. Gotta strongly disagree.
Lived in SD 16 years. Now in LA for 4 years.
San Diego is a lovely, spread-out, wonderland (for lack of a better term). But the pace of life is really really really slow. Its like Florida in some ways. A large retirement community.
LA is more hustle-bustle. Yes, LA has suburbs with different qualities. You can basically find any kind of neighborhood you want here.
The cities are similar in some ways. But nobody in LA thinks of SD as a suburb. SD is definitely "out of town" and a different place. And nobody in SD thinks of SD as having any remote connection, in any way, to LA, other than being in the same state.
Yes, and he likes it this way. He will stay in SD, or he will go south.
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Trading out of Watkins to turn around and use the pick to trade up for a wr the next year would be a very Cleveland move. I'll go with that one.
Farmer
Any thoughts on Bud Dupree out of Kentucky? Pettine seems high on him.
Also the latest rumor is the Browns are the frontrunner to package 12, 19, and next year's 1st to move to 2 for Mariota. The Browns new QB coach worked with him pre-combine.
Tannehill extended through 2020
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Anyone notice is completion % is inflated because he refuses to throw downfield?