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That's exactly what I'm saying. We were thin last year but we had two superior talents to protect our LBs. I've watched all of Ron Edwards that I have to to see that he offers no LB protection because he simply can't hold his ground. Anderson is still very raw. Yes, I believe at that postionit makes that much difference.

Your brother is having some "difficulty" supporting his contention that Tom Brady is a long ball Quarterback yet he is unable to cite even a single regular season game in which Brady has thrown long with any regularity. Could you please help your own fan out by offering the dates of all the regular season games where “Long Ball Brady” has gone deep at least 6 times in one game? Thanks for your help! Save HD!

Twisting----squirming---- What a load of BS- that was a direct reposnce ot my specific measures, measures you've obviously given up on. What's clear is that you don't even feel you can name ONE SINGLE REGULAR SEASON GAME in which Brady threw 6 deep balls. Then since you've bailed out of the argument, let me ask you this- How dare you call him a Long Ball QB if you yourself acknowledge now that he's never done it in the regular season?

Well you could hardly call somene a "long ball" QB if they never did it in the regular season now- at least not and have an ounce of credibility.

Should I be surprised that you've turned tables and run like a coward from your post yesterday in response to my standard of 6 deep balls a game- So we're in agreement, then. Glad that's settled. You, me, and Dr. Z (among others) all consider Brady one of the best deep passers around. I knew you'd come around. Now that I've asked for you to cite a game in which Brady throws deep balls you're folding up that easily? OK, How about I allow you to set the standard- tell me what Brady's great "long ball" day was in any regular season game! Please do share with us!

It's sour mash.

The games? Which ones are they--- Buff NE--NO NEVER HAPPENED-- Uh, NE- Jets-- Nope-- Uh You Jellyfish are awesome-- So tell us now- -where are these "deep ball" games Brady has thrown the regualr season- CAN YOU NAME EVEN ONE?

Then you'lll be happy to identify even ONE single regular season game in which he has thrown 6 deep balls! Waiting..........................................................

There must be some fly on turd analogy in here somewhere......

That's right- you better ignore my challenge because you can't possibly do it- show me two back to back regular season games in which Brady has thrown 6 or more deep balls. Tick....Tick....Tick.....Tick.... Can you say- Jellyfish?

No need to get dizzy- if you look at the stats cited by ATBNG, which in the manner he accrued them removes the RAC from the total pass, you'll see very consistently that the long ball offensesinthe NFL, the true gunslinger led teams who we see throwing the ball vertically every week all year long, have a higher percentage of RAC and also lower "pass inthe air" numbers than the West Coast style teams. New England's stats fall clearly among those of the little short pithc West Coast teams. But the great thing is HD can't possibly answer my challenge to provide back to back regualr sedason games where his fantasy "Long Ball Brady" has thrown 6 deep balls becasue this simply has never happened. Belichick realizes he doesn't want to use Brady's noodle and play the arm out since he's not a long ball guy and instead he wisely saves the few big passes he'll let Brady throw for the post-season. It's good football on Belichick's part, but will always disqualify Brady from being considered a "long ball" QB as the Troll insists.

I'd argue that you can scheme to protect lesser talent on a football team most easily at the running back positions, then after that safety, TEs, QB, LB, OL, DEs, CBs but lastly DTs. No matter how you run your defense, if the middle of your line has one dimensional players like Ron Edwards playing full time you will be abused by the better rushing offenses in the league. If you have one-dimensional run stoppers you'll be abused by the short passing offenses in the league. The nature of the NFL has changed dramatically over the past 25 years and today the best teams have far more talent at their interiror DLine spots than we have, both in starting quality and in depth. NE currently has 5 interior players who are better than anyone on our roster after Sam Adams, and they play a 3-4! Philly-after a Super Bowl season- drafted interior DLine withtheir first pick and San Diego- suffering from a poor pass defense- used a 1st rounder on DLine interior. If at any point this season we're forced to start Ron Edwards and Tim Anderson with Justin Bannon filling out the primary rotation, I believe you can look for teams to run up 200 and 250 yard rushing days against us over the second half of the season- once our Linebackers have been decimated by the injuries they'll suffer from the lack of control of the line by our Defensive interior.

That's odd, I always assumed you were using Dragon Naturally Speaking ;-)

Absolutely, which is the case in almost every dink and dunk short passing offense- the long ball teams topping the RAC category have lower average pass in the air stats while the little dink and dunk offenses like NE have a lower RAC and higher average pass in the air. The stats are almost perfectly consistent in this grouping.

Indeed! The challenge is clear- you asked me to set my standard for a "Deep Ball" rating and I've provided it. Now you must identify at least one set of back to back regular season games in which your "Long Ball Brady" makes 6 or more pass attempts that travel over 45 yards each downfield beyond the Line Of Scrimmage before reaching the receiver. Good Luck- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no debate- you believe "Long Ball Brady" is a top deep passer in the NFL- that simply makes you silly. And as I pointed out before, I enjoy watching the silly twist and turn. Sorry your bus has arrived and you have to go ;-)

That's odd, I didn't even hear your Clown Horn! My Yankees have given me 9 CHAMPIONSHIP PARADES. I'm surprised you haven't bought one of their jerseys yet. I enjoy seeing the silly and uniformed act even sillier and less informed- it makes the Bandwagon crash so much more fun to watch 8-)

If Sam Adams is hurt we'll be lucky to win 6 games. No one else would have anywhere near that negative of an impact.

You might save a little on Belladonna root- boil 'er up and chew to your heart's content. It should provide the same hallucinations you're getting from the Testor's without violating your court order to stay out of the hobby store ;-)

Yeah, when we see Brady tossing 6 or 7 50-yard balls a game back to back in the regular season I expect we'll have a few calls for a urine sample ;-)

The definition depends upon whether we're including statistical evidence and applying the name or simply applying a fan's observations from field play. I'd approach it from the fan side by saying that since most downfield teams are going to go to the well maybe 5 or 6 times a game on the average and those are typically, with true "Long Ball" QBs like Culpepper tosses that break somehwere in the 45+ yards from QB to Receiver, I could live with a 45+ number without, of course RAC. Obviously we're not talking about any quality issues here, but the dinkers in the league can get maybe one big toss like that in a game without losing their arm over the course of the season but it's only the big boys who can do it any time and with regularity. Vertical passing is simply over the top of the defense and hence with stuffed running formations on the other side of the ball can be 20 yard passes in the right circumstances. The term is open to some intepretation, it surely is used in a variety of ways by game commentators, but a vertical game is simply an empahsis away from the sidelines and instead over the top of the D, in other words Yin to the lateral passing games Yang.

Actually, the stats from ATBNG conclusively show only one thing- that the average pass in the air for NE traveled 8.21 yards in 2004. You can't then extrapolate the number of "deep balls" versus "short balls" from that stat in any way, or where the majority of their RAC came from, etc., those assumptions are not supported by the statistics. A conclusion that CAN be supported from the ATBNG stats is that clearly long ball teams show a higher percentage of RAC than small ball teams. The 40%+ RAC teams are nearly exclusively the downfield passing teams while NE is down in the mix with most of the anemic short passing offenses. But I realize that won't keep you from trying! You still claim the article you posted is based upon pass yardage with no RAC when in fact you know that's a lie. I'm sure it will surprise no one that you'll try to fabricate a conclusion from the other stats which in fact are in no way supported.

I'm glad to see you finally acknowledge that the stats you were trying to pass off as supporting your positon were in fact a direct refutation of your representation. As far as your honesty issues the first step is in acknowledging them. One step at a time, Pinocchio!

My understanding is it took more like "minutes" to confirm the "bet" in question had been rejected. I would agree that it's very similar to stats that directly contradict the purpose they've been presented for.

I see you've opted to accept your proper title as "Liar". Nice RAC Pinocchio ;-)