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16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I didn't want to use the word "ghosts" because of the famous Darnold comment but you're right and that is exactly what it is. In fact I've seen it a lot even with the best QB's. Go back and watch Mahomes in the TB Super Bowl. There are times he bails from the pocket when he doesn't have to but he was under a lot of pressure. And I use Mahomes here as I have immense respect for him.
Happens to the best of them.. especially guys like Mahomes and Allen who are super athletes and thrive when improvising. Comes back to bite em in the ass sometimes tho
14 minutes ago, PBF81 said:Size & types of players rushing?
i.e., DBs rather than LBs maybe. I haven't spent any time looking whatsoever other than superficially.
It seems to be delayed blitzes I've seen have typically been LBs or DBs.... and they either come from the outside edge... or they hide behind the Dline and then sneak in through the A or B gap
15 minutes ago, Mango said:I always look forward to these. Thank you!
My pleasure.. hopefully they provide some context
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2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:
Another point about pressure and it's effect that is hard to quantify but I suspect is very important is the impact of repeated QB pressures on those moments when there isn't much pressure on the QB. According to the stats I've seen Allen was pressured on 41% of his drop backs which is very high. This will have a cumulative impact on how a QB reacts on pass plays when the rush isn't as effective and he has time.
Over the years I've seen many elite QB's get "rattled" a bit by continuous pressure and not make the best decisions or throws when their pass protection did hold up. After a DT breaks free up the gut and is in your face you become less willing to move up in the pocket because you no longer trust that the pocket will hold up. And when you're being harassed form one side with almost immediate pressure you might jump out of the pocket on plays where the pressure isn't immediate.
I think one of the keys to Allen's amazing ability to avoid sacks is that he anticipates the pass rush very well. But this will also mean he will be wrong sometimes and his anticipation will betray him and he'll bail to soon from the pocket. But against NE there are a lot of NFL QB's who would have been sacked at least 4 or 5 more times then Allen did.
I guess what I'm saying is that the price you pay when your QB is under constant pressure is that they'll bail from the pocket to soon or throw the ball into the ground on pays where they did have time & opportunity to move up in the pocket. Not sure ho you would quantitate this factor but it's real.
I address this in my post above.
this is a good point.. hate to admit it .. but sometimes Allen "sees ghosts" a al Zach Wilson. the cumulative effect of bad pass pro from earlier in a game..or .. previous games does creep in
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Just now, CincyBillsFan said:
I question this conclusion. My sense watching the game was that Allen was put under much more serious pressure on a lot more plays then Jones saw. Jones was able to "climb the pocket" largely because there was an intact pocket to climb. Some of Allen's worst pressure came up the gut leaving little room to climb the pocket.
I think NE's pass rush was far more effective then the Bills so I'm wondering how you can compare the reactions of the two QB's.
There were some plays where Morse and Torrance failed.. and there was no pocket to climb. However.. I listed several specific plays where Allen had a chance to climb the pocket in my significant plays listing. From the All 22 and end zone view it is relatively easy to see
Just now, Bocephuz said:There were some plays where Morse and Torrance failed.. and there was no pocket to climb. However.. I listed several specific plays where Allen had a chance to climb the pocket in my significant plays listing. From the All 22 and end zone view it is relatively easy to see
q1 -UE2 - Delayed blitz.. Allen has Shakir for quick hitter blitz beater but unnecessarily bails out of the pocket resulting in incompletion
q2 -UE3 - Allen has time.. has open Knox but decides to bail from clean pocket ( instead of climbing the pocket) and incomplete pass to Davis in end zone. Knox clearly pissed after the play
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1 hour ago, BillsfaninCT said:
the plays are there to be made but the coaching isn't EFFECTING JOSH'S DECISIONS. nobody demonstrating Josh "can't see them open" but constantly show him choosing a harder play. Not a lot of reasons for picking a low percentage play over a high percentage play on early downs, but he needs to be effected in such a way that he can do both, learn when to do which, and also be happy........ good freaking luck. the mental part of the game is harder for physically gifted people because you can just blast your way through a lot of stuff.... like a once in a lifetime arm...
the reason I endlessly say fire dorsey on Fina's show and Over reaction is because the coaches aren't effective. he's a generational talent but do these coaches have the mental skillset required to rewire Josh Allen without also ruining him?
I hope he's in therapy.
there's few things more difficult in sports. silver lining is that we know Josh had the balance figured out in the past.. its in there somewhere.
44 minutes ago, PBF81 said:I'm curious what his metrics are in this way.
Cook's not the prototypical blocking back to be polite. It was a weakness of his coming into the NFL and it seems as if Dorsey needs to find another solution.
Goes with not being a 3-down RB I suppose.
he is on the small side... that being said.. he was excellent the first few games in pass pro picking up blitzes.. not sure why he's regressing.
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8 minutes ago, MJS said:
A lot of people want to put it all on coaching. Heck, maybe they are right. It is way easier to evaluate players and their execution, though. It is way more difficult to evaluate coaches, at least for me. All I know is what the players are and aren't doing on the field.
well said
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1 hour ago, MJS said:
Better watch out. If you state the fact that Josh Allen didn't play well, you'll get a lot of people attacking you, even if it is true.
Nice analysis. I always enjoy these.
Hah.. thanks for the warning. .and the compliment.
The tape don't lie..
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1 minute ago, MJS said:
It's less regression and more that defenses have adjusted and playing him better. Defenses are better around the league, actually.
It is up to Josh to evolve, now. He has to get better at some of the QB mental aspects of the game because relying on his physical abilities, like he traditionally does, is not always getting the job done.
But he has actually played well this year outside of the Pats and Jets games. Against the Giants I think it was more him getting let down by his teammates. That was definitely the case against the Jags too.
good point. the whole delayed blitz tactic in the last few weeks has really thrown him off. in the past he would have just taken off running to make the d pay for that kind of blitzing.. but they are clearly asking him to dial that back.
The delayed blitzes seem to come more when he has an empty backfield. Perhaps keeping a rb in .. or going more pistol would help?
Its on Dorsey to help scheme against that tactic. But its also on Josh not to miss the opportunities that he is presented with.
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3 minutes ago, Success said:
I'm surprised at the overall conclusion. Just "eye test" from the game, it felt like Allen was harried all day. The NE pass rush looked like world beaters that game.
But I'm seeing more observations that Allen was just missing good opportunities, and not going through his progressions very well. I did notice that he doesn't step up in the pocket anymore.
It's concerning. I've been pushing back on the idea that he's regressing, but it we see another game or 2 like this in the weeks ahead....
it is tough to see if he has opportunities to climb the pocket on the live broadcasts sideline view.. but coaches endzone view uncovers those missed opportunities
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In the past i used to do lengthy in depth posts with gifs.. don't have time for that nowadays
I watched every passing snap to evaluate pass blocking performance as well as Josh Allen unforced errors committed (PASS BLOCKING ONLY EVALUATED.. did not evaluate running plays).
UNFORCED ERROR = Allen has time to throw, wr is open and he misses throw.. or.. Allen makes poor unforced decision
OLINEMAN BEATEN = O lineman clearly loses his one on one matchup... or.. clearly misreads stunt/combo block
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OLINEMAN BEATEN STATS
DAWKINS - 2
MCGOVERN - 0
MORSE - 2
TORRENCE - 3
BROWN - 1
-DAWKINS - Not a great game by Dawkins. Gave up 2 pressures and had a false start
- MCGOVERN - #66 rallied from a poor game last week to have a clean sheet against NE.
- MORSE - 2nd week in a row where Morse has struggled a bit. He was cleanly beaten twice giving up pressures.
- TORRENCE - Rough day for the rook.. he looked flat footed all day. #90 way too quick for him.
- BROWN - Hats of to #79. He was one of the best linemen today in pass pro. Only beaten once by my eye
- DORSEY - Dorsey had TEs and RBs in on a regular basis to chip in against the rush with mixed results. Cook had another rough day in picking up biltzers.. but Murray was solid. He even had Shakir stay in for a few pass block reps.
OL SUMMARY : Belichick employed much the same methods as the Giants in attacking the Bills pass pro. Lots of delayed blitzes from corners , lbs and safeties. Not a whole lot the O line can do in these situations where they don't have numbers. For the most part Josh escaped these free man blitzes but he had mixed results improvising on these escapes. Where the oline really suffered was up the middle. Morse and Torrence did not do well with their matchups and Allen suffered for it. In particular.. if Torrence holds his block for a half beat I have no doubt Josh hits Diggs on the go route in q3. Instead Torrence barely gets a hand on #92 and his rush up the middle disrupts Allens throw just enough for incompletion.
QB UNFORCED ERRORS: Josh had 6 unforced errors by my count. Based on my history of doing this kind of analysis when a qb has 5 or more unforced errors the chances of his team winning decrease materially.
SIGNIFICANT PLAYS -
q1 - UE1 - INT - good protection.. bad choice by Allen
q1 - Brown beaten to the outside by speed rush.. Allen flushed .. nice throw to Cook on scramble drill
q1 -Shakir stays in to pass pro.. does nice job
q1 -Good blitz beater quick throw to Cook in flat
q1 -UE2 - Delayed blitz.. Allen has Shakir for quick hitter blitz beater but unnecessarily bails out of the pocket resulting in incompletion
q2 -UE3 - Allen has time.. has open Knox but decides to bail from clean pocket ( instead of climbing the pocket) and incomplete pass to Davis in end zone. Knox clearly pissed after the play
q2 -Torrence beaten outside by #90 flushes Josh.. inc to Diggs
q2 - Cook poor blitz pickup .. Morse beaten by #92. Josh throws away
q2 - SACK - Torrence whiffs on #90 ..blitz gets home as well.
q2: UE4 - Josh has time.. stays on 1st read too long .. never works through progressions .. and then throws it away
q3 - Morse does nice job picking up twist stunt
q3 - Dawkins whiffs on LB delayed blitz... flushes Allen .. incomplete
q3 - Miss on Diggs deep - Torrence loses his block on #92 and #92 alters Allen deep throw at last minute causing off target throw.
q3 -False start Dawkins
q4 - UE5 - Josh has time.. takes unnecessary extra hitch in clean pocket and throws behind Diggs incomplete
q4- Cook falls down trying to get to delayed blitz pickup.. Allen flushed incomplete to Diggs
q4 - UE6- Allen throws behind open Diggs in the seam
SUMMARY - The O line was not great.. however..this one falls mostly on the QB unforced errors by #17. Allen has been showing several disturbing tendencies the last few games.
- #1- Bailing out of the pocket instead of climbing the pocket. There were several instances where Allen had room to climb the pocket to avoid pressure. .instead he bailed out wide. Mac Jones actually hung tougher and made a few throws climbing the pocket. Allen needs to get back to climbing the pocket and delivering.. even if he needs to take a hit to get the job done
- #2 - Staying on 1st read too long. Allen has not been consistently going through his progressions quick enough. There were several instances where he had open targets that were secondary reads.. which he either didn't see.. or decided not to check down to.
Cook is struggling in picking up blocks.. which is a shame.. because he did so well earlier in the year. There were also a couple of plays where Dorsey didn't really give Josh a good outlet.. all deep developing routes where Josh hits his drop and noone coming out of their breaks yet.
All in all it wasn't as bad as it looked live on TV. I'm really hoping Spencer Brown can build off this performance. I'm also hoping Torrence can rally after a few poor games. I don't like Ocyrus having to give the hand signal for snaps on the road. I think it distracts him from his technique. Hopefully being at home with a quiet crowd on offense will help him get back to form. If #17 can start climbing the pocket and do a better job of going through his progressions things should get better against the Bucs. I sure hope so because I'm driving up to Maryland to watch the game Thursday.
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15 hours ago, Scott7975 said:
I disagree. We can't keep saying that we just played a dominant line every week. Been doing that since week 1. Also, it's mostly Brown that has been a problem with this line. He gets smoked too often because he is slow. Too slow for speed rushers. The only time he did a decent job is when we take out TE's out of being available for passing routes to help chip the defender into position... again because Brown is too slow to get there on his own. It's problem is two fold because he aint good enough and because it takes away passing targets to supplement that.
The O Line is markedly improved this year ( the exception being RT) . Unfortunately a unit can really be brought down by the weakest link.
Dawkins has his ups and downs.. but he is still capable and generally reliable
McGovern has been rock solid ( except for Giants game)
Morse is playing at All Pro level
Torrence looks like a 5 year Vet
Brown is a glaring liability who consistently sabotages the good work of the other 4
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13 minutes ago, Simon said:
Thanks again for doing this.
And thanks for confirming my suspicion that McGovern had, by far, his worst game as a Bill.
sure thing.. your suspicion was well founded. Hopefully just a one game aberation as he was excellent in all previous games
5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:Thanks for doing this!
Seems the offense is just sloppy, would that be a good term?
sloppy would be good term
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In the past i used to do lengthy in depth posts with gifs.. don't have time for that nowadays
I watched every passing snap to evaluate pass blocking performance as well as Josh Allen unforced errors committed (PASS BLOCKING ONLY EVALUATED.. did not evaluate running plays).
UNFORCED ERROR = Allen has time to throw, wr is open and he misses throw.. or.. Allen makes poor unforced decision
OLINEMAN BEATEN = O lineman clearly loses his one on one matchup... or.. clearly misreads stunt/combo block
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OLINEMAN BEATEN STATS
DAWKINS - 2
MCGOVERN - 3
MORSE - 1
TORRENCE - 1
BROWN - 4
-DAWKINS - Dion mainly held up in pass pro.. however one of the pressures he surrendered indirectly led to Allen getting hit and hurting his shoulder
- MCGOVERN - This is the first week McGovern clearly struggled. He misread a stunt and was beaten cleanly by #93 several times.
- MORSE - Not a clean sheet.. he misread a late developing stunt in q4.. but other than that another fine day for Mitch.
- TORRENCE - Yet another solid performance. Only surrendered 1 pressure to my eye.
- BROWN - Brown showed a glimmer of hope last week.. but that glimmer was snuffed out against the Giants. He regressed back to the mean .. surrendering 4 pressures against the G Men and commiting a bad false start penalty
- DORSEY - To my eye Dorseyused TEs to chip twice and actually used Gabe Davis on a wham block once. It appeared the strategy this week was to get the TEs out in patterns for quick blitz beater throws rather than keep them in to chip.
OL SUMMARY : The Giants were able to beat the Bills O line in multiple ways. Both #93 and #5 were able to win one on one against their Bills O LIne counterparts. DC Martindale blitzed frequently.. and was particularly successful sending delayed stunt blitzes. Dawkins, McGovern and Morse were all caught off guard by delayed twist stunts where the DE or OLB hid out and then snuck in to pressure qb up the gap in the middle. #58 for Giants was a spy on Allen and was very effective .. had a pass tip and also a hit on Allen. Not the best day for the OLine but Martindale really did throw the kitchen sink at them.
QB UNFORCED ERRORS: Josh had 4 unforced errors by my count. Based on my history of doing this kind of analysis when a qb has 5 or more unforced errors the chances of his team winning decrease materially.
SIGNIFICANT PLAYS -
q1 - UE1 - Josh throws out route too early before Diggs starts his break..Diggs turns around but ball is already on him and its incomplete
q1 - UE2 - Josh overthrows Davis on a deep crosser.
q1 -UE 3 - Josh has time .. has Shakir open to his right but locks on Diggs too long (who isn't open). Pocket collapses and 17 throws dirt ball to Diggs general direction.
q1 - Brown beaten by speed rush of #99
q1 - McGovern and Dawkins do not recognize twist stunt .. pocket collapses resulting in incompletion
q1 - UE4- Allen bails clean pocket early and drifts to the right.. incomplete
q2 -Brown beaten by speed rush of #5.. forcing incompletion
q2 - McGovern beaten by 97.. flushes Allen and Allen takes a hit
q2 - Brown false start
q2: Dawkins beat to the inside by #5 flushing Allen to his right.. end result Allen is hit hard and hurts his shoulder
q2: Gabe Davis stays in to wham block
q2 - INT - 97 beats Torrence cleanly altering Allen's throw .. which is intercepted.
q3 - Brown beaten again speed rush #5... flushes Allen but Allen gets small gain scrambling.
q3 - Morse misses delayed twist stunt giving up pressure on Allen
q3 - Cook whiffs on pass block against LB 41.. Allen miracuously escapes and makes completion to Diggs
q4- McGovern beaten by #93
SUMMARY - Allen had a poor first half.. in particular .. a poor first few series. In my opinion he was a little to anxious to show he could get the ball out on time knowing Daboll was on the other sideline ..causing a few poor uncharacteristic unforced errors on his part. The first UE to Diggs was Allen being impatient and getting ball out to early before Diggs was in his break. He also overthrew an open Davis onthe next throw ( even though Davis tripped.. ball was still too high). Allen settled down in the second half and succeeded in spite of his O Line. In general.. Allen had a few reps where he bailed out of clean pockets early.. but for the most part he got the ball out quickly to counter the blitzing. . Brown regressed back to his old self.. being consistently beat on speed outside rushes and throwing in a false start for good measure. McGovern had a tough game as well. Cook had a very strong start to the year with good blitz pickups.. but he has now had several weeks in a row where he's whiffed on pass protect blocks. I expect to see more of Murray on pass downs if the trend continues. At the end of the day #17 successfully improvised on a few big plays ( TD to Morris.. first down to Diggs after miracle escape) to pull it out.
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5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
Thanks, great write up.
I did note a weak game by Torrence which really surprised me. Tough overseas game for the rookie, i have to give him and the Bills a pass on this ridiculous "home game" where the jaguars get a week more to get their body time adjusted.
The London games are such an outlier..such a strange setting. Im chalking most of this to the "London Effect".. flush and forget.
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Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:
Thanks, great write up.
I did note a weak game by Torrence which really surprised me. Tough overseas game for the rookie, i have to give him and the Bills a pass on this ridiculous "home game" where the jaguars get a week more to get their body time adjusted.
thank you for catching that.. it was the INT. i edited the post to include it
q4: UE 4 - INT Josh has Diggs open on deep ball but waits a beat too long and tries to throw bomb ..but he would have needed it to go 75 yds to outthrow the CB. He had Murray wide open for dump down
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In the past i used to do lengthy in depth posts with gifs.. don't have time for that nowadays
I watched every passing snap to evaluate pass blocking performance as well as Josh Allen unforced errors committed (PASS BLOCKING ONLY EVALUATED.. did not evaluate running plays).
UNFORCED ERROR = Allen has time to throw, WR is open and he misses throw.. or.. Allen makes poor unforced decision
OLINEMAN BEATEN = O lineman clearly loses his one on one matchup... or.. clearly misreads stunt/combo block
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OLINEMAN BEATEN STATS
DAWKINS - 3
MCGOVERN - 0
MORSE - 1
TORRENCE - 3
BROWN - 1
-DAWKINS - Dion drew a tough matchup against Josh Allen #41. He was beaten several times and generally had a rough day overall.
- MCGOVERN - Yet again... another clean sheet for McGovern. Guy is a stud.
- MORSE - Morse finally gave up a pressure after 3 weeks of giving up nothing
- TORRENCE - First rough day for the rook. Several holding calls and a missed stunt among the errors
- BROWN - First solid game of the season for #79. He did a good job with stunt pickup and only surrendered one pressure.
- DORSEY - Not much chipping or help from TEs in this one.. for the most part the O Line held its own without extra assistance. I counted 2 chips from Knox on DEs. No chips from RBs that I saw.
OL SUMMARY : The line had a few rough patches but generally played well enough to give #17 a chance on most reps. The Jags blitzed heavily.. and Josh Allen #41 was a force to be reckoned with all day. The Jags also threw in several stunts and the Bills O Line had mixed results picking them up. For the most part the O Linemen were on their own without chips or RB help.
QB UNFORCED ERRORS: Josh had 4 unforced errors by my count. Based on my history of doing this kind of analysis when a qb has 5 or more unforced errors the chances of his team winning decrease materially.
SIGNIFICANT PLAYS -
q1: UE 1 - First series of game Josh throw in flat to Cook on 3rd down too hard too far outside.. incompletion and punt
q2: Dawkins beaten to the inside by #41 flushing Allen from the pocket forcing a throwaway
q3: UE 2 - Allen rushes blitz beater throw on hook route to Davis.. high throw .. incompletion
q3: Torrence misreads twist stunt and gives up pressure
q3: Cook whiffs on pass pro rep
q3: UE 3- Josh steps up to avoid the blitz..has Murray wide open in the flat but chooses to go downfield to Knox who is covered and overthrows him
q4- Brown beaten to the inside by 44 flushes Allen to incomplete pass
q4: Brown and Torrence do good job of picking up twist stunt
q4: UE 4 - INT Josh has Diggs open on deep ball but waits a beat too long and tries to throw bomb ..but he would have needed it to go 75 yds to outthrow the CB. He had Murray wide open for dump down
q4: Torrence holding
q4: #41 does twist stunt.. Morse recognizes it but is still beaten .. #41 absolutely destroys the other #17 Josh Allen on a sack ( called back questionable helmet to helmet)
OVERALL SUMMARY: What a strange game. From what I could see in the ALL 22 the O Line generally gave Allen time.. and Allen did a good job navigating muddy pockets. The problem I kept seeing was the receivers had very little separation and Allen was forced to throw into tight windows all day. Allen had a few unforced errors where he went for it all instead of taking the dump down to move the chains.. however.. for the most part #17 was getting the ball out quickly and taking what the D gave him. Dawkins had his first rough day as did Torrence. Hats off to Spencer Brown who had a solid day. He did a good job picking up stunts and did not surrender a single speed rush to the outside.. which has been his Achillies Heel.
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12 hours ago, Simon said:
Don't doubt you Bo, but are you 100% sure on this?
I just happened to watch a Bills/Dolphins highlight reel from last weekend.
It only showed about 10-15 of the Bills offensive plays but on at least 5-6 of those snaps, Brown was getting significant help.
Does this reel just happen to show all the snaps where he was getting help from his TEs and Backs?
Miami Dolphins vs. Buffalo Bills Game Highlights | NFL 2023 Week 4
Good catch.. they were indeed several real quick chip and releases from the TEs to help Spencer out. In previous weeks the TEs sustained their blocks a little longer but these were quick little chips.
I didn't catch them because on most of those plays Josh got the ball out so quick I didn't notice
12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:Solid work. Did you form an impression of the run blocking?
Only focused on the pass plays.. not able to comment too much on the run blocking.
12 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:Thanks for the breakdown. I really appreciate your analysis. I still find it difficult to force myself to watch line play.
There's no question that Brown is a young player who's improved. I just wonder how much better he'll get.
Watching O Line play is dull at first.. but now when I watch the game live .. I focus on one lineman pre snap ( usually Spencer Brown.. but sometimes Torrence or others) and don't even really look at Josh once ball is snapped. 9 times out of 10 .. if the lineman I'm watching holds his block.. the result of the play is a completion or positive.
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3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Brown is getting better every week and hasn’t been a liability. Bills stuck with him through his worst, they won’t dump him now that he’s ascending.
Brown has given up at least 3 pressures in each game.. where the most his fellow linemen have given up is 2.. i would respectfully say that makes him a liability
Ascending may also be a bit of a stretch. His improvement against fins more due to lesser competition ( Van
Ginkel is no Maxx Crosby)
4 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:Thanks OP... really appreciate your write-ups.
Morphology observation re OCT, all-22, end-zone view: in stance, I can't believe how friggin' wide he is, hip-to-hip!
Hell, he must have the stability of a goddam Saturn V on the pad: center of gravity perfectly above center of pressure, with a nice L/D ratio (that's, uhhh, rocket humor).
Hell, he's so wide I'm surprised there's physical space for him on the line.
//end sideways observation
Cybo has much sand in the pants
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2 hours ago, MJS said:
Man, it must suck to be the weakest link in football. You just get abused. Like the Bills targeting Kohou with Diggs.
Hah.. nowhere to hide!
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Just now, MJS said:
I like these a lot. I hope you're able to keep doing them.
Do you feel like Brown is being targeted by opposing teams? If they perceive him to be the weakest link, they may try things to take advantage of him. If so, that means Brown is just naturally going to have a much tougher time and give up more pressures.
Good question..
Usually when a team targets a weak link .. they try to exploit the weakness by throwing stunts and delayed blitzes at the O Lineman who they are targeting to throw them off. Interestingly enough.. Brown and Torrence have been targeted by other teams with stunts and they have done an excellent job of identifying and coping with those stunts for the most part.
Where Brown seems to have been targeted is teams lining up their stud DEs on his side ( Bryce Huff, Crosby.. Sweat..). These stud DEs had much success attacking Spencer Brown on his outside shoulder with the speed rush.. the dip and dive move. Nothing fancy.. nothing exotic.. just putting their best rushers one on one with Brown has generally worked for other teams.
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6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
Great write up, thanks.
my pleasure.. thanks
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In the past i used to do lengthy in depth posts with gifs.. don't have time for that nowadays
I watched every passing snap to evaluate pass blocking performance as well as Josh Allen unforced errors committed (PASS BLOCKING ONLY EVALUATED.. did not evaluate running plays).
UNFORCED ERROR = Allen has time to throw, WR is open and he misses throw.. or.. Allen makes poor unforced decision
OLINEMAN BEATEN = O lineman clearly loses his one on one matchup... or.. clearly misreads stunt/combo block
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OLINEMAN BEATEN STATS
DAWKINS - 0
MCGOVERN - 0
MORSE - 0
TORRENCE - 1
BROWN - 3
-DAWKINS - Dion dominated all day. He was almost beaten once but rallied and pancaked the guy before he got to Josh
- MCGOVERN - Yet again... another clean sheet for McGovern. Rock solid HUGE upgrade over Saffold.
- MORSE - 3 weeks in a row with a clean sheet in pass pro for the reliable vet
- TORRENCE - Surrendered one pressure to Wilkins .... but held up very well.
- BROWN - There were several reps where Brown dominated 43 Van Ginkel .Every time Van Ginkel tried the bull rush Brown got his hands inside, anchored and neutralized him.
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It was not a clean day for Brown however.
- He misread a stunt in q1 causing a pressure on Josh.
- Van Ginkel beat him on a nice reverse spin move causing 17 to scramble
- Van Ginkel also beat Brown via speed rush in q3
- DORSEY - Not much chipping or help from TEs in this one.. for the most part the O Line held its own without extra assistance.
OL SUMMARY : The left side of the line absolutely dominated the Fins all day. McGovern and Morse are playing at a Pro Bowl level right now. Torrence continues to be steady with only the occasional misstep. This was Brown's best game .. he flashed dominance on some reps for the first time this year. The stat sheet shows Van Ginkel getting 2 sacks.. however ( as you will see below in SIGNIFICANT PLAYS) neither of those sacks were on Brown.
QB UNFORCED ERRORS: Josh had 0 unforced errors by my count. Based on my history of doing this kind of analysis when a qb has 5 or more unforced errors the chances of his team winning decrease materially.
SIGNIFICANT PLAYS -
q1 - Cook whiffs on a blitz pickup.. Allen avoids and makes completion to Diggs
q1 -Brown misreads stunt but JA gets ball out quick to avoid pressure
q2 - 85 for Bills has nice wham block on DE .. Allen throws slant to Diggs.
q2- Brown beaten on spin move by 43.. Allen scrambles throws TD to Diggs.
q2 - Torrence beaten by 94 on outside shoulder.. Allen Sacked
q3 - Van Ginkel SACK ( coverage sack.. not on Brown)
q3 - Van Ginkel beats Brown on speed rush .. flushes Allen from pocket
SUMMARY - The O Line consistently gave 17 time to throw today and Allen made the most of those opportunities. In the few times where the line gave up pressures or misread stunts.. Josh more often than not was nimble in the pocket .. hung in.. and still made excellent decisions and throws despite those pressures. Zero unforced errors by Josh to my eye.. a real gem of a game from him. If Allen can maintain his pocket poise like he's done the last few weeks then the sky is the limit for this offense. I think Dorsey realized that Miami's DEs were subpar and he made the right call by not using TEs and RBs to chip like he did the previous few weeks. Spencer Brown will likely never have a clean game .. however.. if he can play this type of game vs the average DEs of the league he may have a shot at sticking at RT for a while.
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It was not a clean day for Brown however.
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16 minutes ago, ganesh said:
This week will be no easy...
It will not be. Hopefully Josh can stay disciplined and pick his spots
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4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Do you think it is fair to compare last year to this year given the injuries he was dealing with last year?
Ladies and gentlemen, while I understand Brown can certainly improve, the poster is demonstrating classic confirmation bias.
Brown’s performance this year is near identical to last year. If he was injured last year .. and thus healthy this year.. his 2023 performance so far clearly indicates health was not the problem
4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:Which was the 2nd rep Dion lost? I am on vacation so haven't been through this week's a22. The 3rd down in the endzone and when was the other? Want to try and find it cos I definitely missed it live.
4 hours ago, Dr Krentist said:Another unforced error by Josh is this play. He had Cook to the left with three blockers but instead throws it to Diggs. Maybe that was the play design, I don't know.
good catch. i miss a few occasionally. always happy to learn from others observations
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
So the difference between Dawkins and Brown was one pressure, the Commanders have Sweat one one side and Young in the other, but Dawkins gets a pass and Brown doesn’t. Right. Uh huh.
I give Dawkins the benefit of the doubt because he has a fairly consistent track record of good performances against elite DEs
At this stage Brown no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
If you go back and read my posts from last year.. you will see I gave Dawkins plenty of criticism for his play the first half of the year. Fortunately he rallied and got himself back on track.
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