Orlando Tim
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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
C'mon man. You can't possibly be as naive as this sounds. Players don't choose their teams for the first 4 years of their careers. They get drafted. You sign with the team that drafts you or makes you an offer, or you sit home on your a**.
There are plenty of teams that are also-rans. They just may be hiring and firing people for reasons other than performance.
So you do not think players would avoid racist teams on their second and third contract? Your point on the draft while valid ignores how much control a player has later in his career over his destination. With the exception of Wilks- who i have no idea about- the other fired coaches all deserved it. If players start avoiding Arizona as a free agent destination i will believe it.
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This conversation is so odd to me- if you as a player think a team is racist then do not sign with them. I would not sign with a racist team and i am white. Any team that fires someone for any other reason than performance will quickly be an also ran.
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The way he runs is not the way you want a pro to run. As a pro you must advoid contact as much as possible- no long term back beside AP looks for contact and survives amd even he has lost entire seasons.
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58 minutes ago, Cynical said:
Feel free to post all the criteria you use before SOS to rank/separate teams from different conferences.
Auburn lost because of the $7M+ anchor running the team.
And after yesterday's big win over Perdue, I can only hope the Auburn AD feels pressured to give that anchor another big fat extension with even a bigger buyout clause.
#1 criteria should be an undefeated should be alive until they they are are beaten. once everyone has losses than you can start other discussions. I agree 11-1 in the American is not superior to 10-2 in SEC but to tell an undefeated in 2018 when the talent is so wide spread around college football they do not belong is absurd. I will state this-a small win over a lesser opponent should still be looked at as superior as a small loss to a great team. I have been to Gator games when they won titles, FSU games when they won titles, Syracuse games when they were top 10 and UCF games the past two years-the best offense I have watched regularly without a doubt is UCF. They can hit you in more ways with more speed than anyone else I have ever seen besides Nebraska with Tommy Frazier. But please tell me why why Auburn was pumped so highly for that POS bowl game yesterday when last year they could not get up for a bowl game in their proverbial backyard against a UCF team who was undefeated? oh bad coaching-and I always thought coaching was part of football.
But on seperate note- in 2010 the Oregon Ducks were in the title game despite only beating one ranked team all year-in fact the second best record team they faced was 8-5 in a pathetic PAC 12- so why were they #1 and UCF not top 4 when being undefeated last year and beating 3 top 25 teams in regular season? I know I am all over the place but I am done with this conversation because I think I proved my point- every argument goes back to who they played not how they played.
Lastly if they lose to LSU this week I will be sad and state they did not belong in title game but if they win-back to back titles. Someone has to beat them to make them not Champs. Anyone who loves sports believes you play to win the game and whether by 1 or 80 if you always win you are champs.
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3 hours ago, row_33 said:
Nah, no consideration even if they won 25 games this year
Row i understand- you decided in the preseason that they did not belong and no matter what happened this year you would not change your mind.
1 minute ago, par73 said:At this point, I'd give them a shot instead of perennially overrated ND and everyone from the Big 12.
You mean you are looking at the whole picture and not just SOS? I will take it
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13 hours ago, Cynical said:
For somebody who thinks it's insanity for SOS to be a major standard, you just used SOS to make your case.
I said as the major standard- if you have multiple undefeateds then you must seperate somehow. Was this really your gotcha? Just stick with Auburn did not care about the peach bowl last year it is a much simpler argument.
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On 12/26/2018 at 2:00 PM, K-GunJimKelly12 said:
He is not a good quarterback. He has a big arm and athletic ability and that is it. He doesn't have great awareness, is inaccurate and is careless with the ball. I think they could have been a much better team this year if they had a better passer. I actually hope he does leave. I think he holds the offense back.
I agree overall but i am not sure if UB will be better without him. He has so much physical ability i keep hoping his brain clicks. I am an eternal optimist
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6 hours ago, row_33 said:
They were the only undefeated team that season
the media boomers got a bit older and got very cynical about reporting, this and Bo Jackson atracks made them feel relevant again
thank goodness the internet came along and dethroned the three hacks at SI who ruled all thought in sports...
I like to think voting in BYU as a cynical joke was one major step towards a trans- conference title game
1997, with both Michigan and Nebraska undefeated and off to separate bowls was the last straw in getting a real title game
I understand your point but you still have not stated who was clearly better? A team that could not win its conference or nebraska who lost to a 7-6 team? Or someone who lost their bowl game? You are bashing them for their bowl game opponent which is set up prior to season.
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7 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
That's true. But he was gifted our best Bills team in ages. I would never sacrifice a good team for a rookie quarterback who can only thrive under a no pressure 6-10 season of development like Allen basically played with. Totally with Marrone here if that's your take.
Rookie quarterback needs to learn what it takes to win above all. Steelers would have been nuts to have Big Ben have a no-pressure pick happy season with the team around him. Instead he learned how to win and was all the more confident too. Same with Brady.
These guys were young game managers that benefitted from their early success piggybacking on great teams before they eventually were handed the ropes to "win or lose on their own"
On a bad team I'd agree with you. On the 2014 Bills.. Heck no! We were good QB play away from being a legit playoff team.
You have a good point that i had not considered. But in a league where qbs dominate i would have given up 2014 for a better 2016. But your point is completely valid.
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10 minutes ago, row_33 said:
BYU went undefeated with a joke schedule and conference and bowl game
and the media handed them the championship
But they had the most difficult schedule of all the undefeateds and beat the #3 team at the time of game. Who do you think was clearly better? Washington did not even win there conference.
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I was of the opinion then and even more so now that he needed to be allowed to win or lose games on his own. Marrone told him not to lose the game which is a terrible mentality to grow in. I am a math teacher and my students who are willing to make mistakes make greater gains then those who are unwilling.
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16 minutes ago, row_33 said:
They cynically did this in the 80s giving BYU the crown after the hard fought win over barely Bowl-eligible Michigan in a third tier bowl game.
the same stale SI garbage that promoted a division 3 RB as more derserving of the Heisman than Bo Jackson
I am confused by what you mean by BYU- are you saying they were not best team in country- i was 6 so i do not remember.
11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:Wouldn't this leave 5 teams in the second round?
Stop using math?
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20 hours ago, Cynical said:
1) Where a program will be in 2 years can be part of the debate. Since these agreements are for future games, that future being usually 2-3 years later. That's because the majority of the programs already have the next years schedule set, barring any last minute changes.
2) The argument of "A 2 for 1 when UCF has been the superior team for that past two years and UF will have the right to buy out the game if they choose" is a moot point. Multi-game agreements rarely, if ever, include the up coming season. See point 1 above for why.
3) Buyout clauses in these types of agreements are standard. They exist for both teams. Griping about how UF will have the ability to buy out the contract, is again moot. The agreement will have buy out clause for UCF. Buy outs are pretty common. Example: UCF had an agreement with UF to play games starting in 2006. UF blew out UCF 42-0 in 2006. UCF took the buy out for the 2007 game.
4) " I can give ypu plenty of other arguments but why bother you will confirm your bias each step." Feel free to provide other arguments. All you keep doing is proving your bias.
Here's the real reason why UCF doesn't want to play 2-1: "[UCF AD Danny] White has made it clear he would prefer to schedule home-and-home series with Power 5 opponents because the school generates more revenue from a home game than it would from playing a payday game on the road."
It's all about the $$$$$.
We agree on the money part for all people considered. What you are pointing out that help my initial point is the insanity of using SOS as a major standard. Last year UCF could have played FSU, UF, and the Canes and likely had whooped all three. That though would not have helped their SOS because not one of them was truly good. The ACC is not very good but we recognize the talent of Clemson because they beat who this year? A bunch of 4 and 5 loss teams. I will admit i went into the weeds with the UF thing but my overall point is valid and you apparently agree- SOS is not something that can be adjusted by the team but is more luck of life 4 years prior.
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16 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:
Well then critical thinking isnt your forte. I'd like to see them in it, but the conference is awful and they dont schedule Jack ***** out of conference either.
You do know that whole stuff with the Gators right? They're refusing to play them. UCF was cool, they jumped the shark. They are undeserved arrogance and just want big pay checks. They're brand building right now, it wont work.
He clearly has no clue what he is talking about. It's a cool story, but they dont want that business and they know it. They're feeding off of the punching up vs teams inactive bowl game vs a team that actually had a chance at the playoffs and blew it and are completely deflated.
They can get in the playoffs. It's actually really easy. Go to the swamp, go to to FSU, and go to Miami. Those teams weren't even that good this year, they could beat them. But they are embracing this Napoleon complex way too much and telling teams to come to them.
They'll be a 5-7 win team with a crap schedule within 2 years.
One- where they are in two years in not part of this debate FSU is not good now and they were good for 20 years in a row. Second- they are ducking the gators? Are you ignorant of the offer? A 2 for 1 when UCF has been the superior team for that past two years and UF will have the right to buy out the game if they choose. UCF will take anyone on under a 1 for 1 set up. Third- their opponents were not stellar this year- but they only play who is on their schedule which did not matter for Bama last year when they beat zero top 15 teams last year before playoff and had a loss. But i have realized that most of the people who argue SOS are stuxk in 1995 when being top 10 was a big drop to 20- this year # 10 is gators who were stomped by mizzou. I can give ypu plenty of other arguments but why bother you will confirm your bias each step.
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5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
I would like to see an 8 team playoff with the five Power 5 champs, 2 at-large Power 5s and the highest ranked non-power 5. Top two ranked teams get 1st rd byes.
Ive heard the non power 5 being included in a top 4 discussed a bit. The issue many point to is that while you might see one upset in a bowl (I.e. Boise st over Oklahoma several years ago), that’s very difficult to replicate. And it’s not a one game tournament. Teams like UCF, despite their great run, still have less talent and depth and a different level of coaching staff than highly ranked power 5 teams. Unlike basketball where teams can just get hot and be a Cinderella, in football you would be very rare to see a team like that beat, say, Oklahoma and Bama in succession. What is UCF’s best win this season? Also keep in mind the win streak is great, but the 2018 playoff is about this season only.
At the end of the day the committee wants the 4 best teams. They do not want blowouts. And the top 3 are all undefeated, same as UCF. With Oklahoma, they have the heisman winner at QB, and they beat everyone on their schedule. They may have one 3 pt loss in a rivalry game but it was to the 9th ranked team in the country and they turned around and beat them in the Big 12 championship. I think they have the better chance to beat Bama in the playoff than UCF.
You and I disagree on a major point- they want big name schools- they do not care about blowouts- OU is not going to give Bama an issue and that is ok since their fans will already be watching. Lastly as for the " 4 best teams" that was not the argument till last year, before that it was best resume or best conference champs. But i know you are being honest which is i like discussing this.
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I have not watched particularly that much but if he is improving i am ok with it. I though am seeing why guys of his stature do not generally play MLB- it is hard to get low when you are so tall.
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On 12/22/2018 at 1:49 AM, Bfanlc said:
Do you have a good argument, besides them being undefeated against said wuss schedule, for them to be in the playoff?
You mean besides winning 25 in a row, a top 20 offense and defense, also Oklahoma has exactly one impressive win- WVU- and a loss. But generally someone has to actually lose before you have proof they should not be champs. But i appreciate you admitting that i am right.
On 12/22/2018 at 7:17 PM, YoloinOhio said:If it expands to 8 they would have a chance but right now there aren’t even enough spots for all the power 5 champs.
This is a reasonable argument but still keeps a team with 25 game win streak out of final four with a team with a loss in. I think that is unfair.
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Does anyone for certain if NFL allows contracts to have wording about offsets for suspensions? I was told before that Dareus contract could not have any way to get money back when he had an issue.
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I keep hearing strength of schedule but is there anything else that you can argue for keeping them out of top 4? SOS is the argument made by people whose main desire is too keep the big five in control. Truly that argument is built by people who simply do not want to actually work to check out all the true contenders.
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On 12/20/2018 at 9:44 AM, whatdrought said:
Seems like, from what I’ve seen, the way to beat Josh is a sellout blitz on every passing play with a Hail Mary prayer that you stay in your lanes and get him and that he doesn’t get past you.
His biggest weakness isn’t his accuracy, it’s his inability to make quick throws. He’s gotten better, but that’s still his issue.
This is the only real concern i have for the kid in the future. He has to learn when the quick throw for 5 yards is the best option. Few qbs are good at this early in career so i i am still optimistic.
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1 hour ago, transient said:
i was arguing with my brothers about what a chump Orton was during this game and they stopped fighting when this happened.
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23 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:
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I've you take the time to read my posts, I've been complimentary of Josh when it's warranted and I've been critical when it's warranted.
If you stated JA has not stayed in the pocket to make a throw then you are overly critical- he has a ton to work on but the dude has stood and delivered many times and i have only watched 4 games- his bomb to robert foster was as good as it gets with standing and delivering.
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I was at game and freely admit that the only reason we did not leave is that we were in upper deck and saw everyone leaving and did not want to be stuck in the lot. Of course 20 minutes later we were thrilled we did not leave.
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21 hours ago, row_33 said:
Why would hoops be weighted to big conferences?
One player can take a team to the championship (Larry Bird)
UNLV, DePaul, Butler, Gonzaga, Marquette have done well
hoops has always promoted midmajors at the expense of big conferences
up to the mid 70s only the conference tournament champion went to “March Madness
the ACC often had 3 of the top 5 teams in the country but only the winner that one weekend got in
dont worry about it happening in football...
I do not mean this as an offense but how old are you? I can not argue 1975 info since i was not born. You are arguing that power 5 do not get preference at a shot at the tournament? Maybe before 1995 but twice in the past 4 years Syracuse has made the tourney despite having no right to being in field at all. The other point you have about midmajors making impacts is correct but with the exception of st joes who won like 30 in a row no one allows a midmajor to be #1 in rankings withput being good for literally 10 years in a row.
Josh Allen final numbers
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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My opinion based on yesterday is 3 major things- he has improved drastically in last 5ish games and looked like a real qb. He had one horrible throw which was pick 6, that play was awful. Lastly he needs some cohesion with recievers but he is getting much better at shorter throws. I think he will be all pro within 3 years.