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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I find myself liking Jim Kubiak's stuff more and more this year. I think he's gotten better.
In this piece, I really like how he critiques Allen (fairly) - for example, pointing out that on a throw that was almost picked, Singletary didn't run his route with enough conviction to persuade Peterson he was an intended target who needed covered (this begs the question of why we have Singletary running a go route - if I were Peterson I'd be like "Nah, That's Eye Candy") but also that Knox was wide open and available as a target.
He is also starting to do a good job pointing out places where how other players did their job (or did not do it) affected the outcome - for example a failed screen against Blitz 0 because both Beasley and Knox whiffed on their blocks.
Good read, does a good job pointing out the good and the bad. It is a paywall, but worth the trial IMO.
Not to nitpick Kubiak but I agree that was the only part of that play critique that I couldn't see - crap film vantage, but Knox's defender is still tight on him right before Allen works his progressions that way. The better critique would likely be Allen rushed his throw due to perceived pressure, coverage, etc., but it's hard to tell when exactly Knox's defender peeled off to cover the cross route from Brown. Sure, maybe if he rolls out instead this all goes the same way and Knox is open, but the only real critique you can make from this play is why tf is Daboll dialing up a RB go route as a decoy against one of the best man DBs in the league?
Beasley, Diggs, and Knox all ran lackluster routes (5yd out; 10yd post and gets chipped over middle; 5yd curl respectively) meant to keep coverage down and to the left while Brown crossed and Singletary decoyed Peterson. He practically gave Allen one option on that play and it wasn't even remotely well protected. Not to beat down on Daboll, who I'd say actually has shown improvement on his own as well, but this play was one of those head scratcher moments where he still thinks he's in NE, where RBs run the full route tree successfully.
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33 minutes ago, 97bills said:
I was worried about this too Larry and taron ouch I can see fitz having a huge day. We just need a bigger day from our O
Sounds obvious, but our best bet is to keep it at 3rd and long as much as possible to help Taron in coverage. If he's going to be expected to come up on Murray runs/scrambles and cover Fitz we'll be diced on key conversion downs. It'll be interesting to see how they line up in that regard - and how much free man they give our LBs.
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Wow that is bad news. Thank goodness White somehow avoided being a close contact. Weirdly enough the biggest loss to me is Tyler Kroft. I think Dane Jackson can step in and hold down the #2 spot but the depth there is definitely worrying this week. Offense will need to pick up the slack.
Love Dane - the prospect of him needing to cover any one or more of Hopkins/Kirk on the outside gives me concern though. Almost as much as Taron covering Fitz out of the slot - Larry will likely take him to school on every third down.
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5 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:
To make room for Dane Jackson.
4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:This could very well may be the case. If another team tried to sign Dane the Bills have the option to retain his rights but he must be added to the roster from the PS. Bills can not call Dane Jackson up any more from the PS. @YoloinOhio correct me if I am wrong...
Athletic put this out today: https://theathletic.com/2196414/2020/11/13/bills-cardinals-thoughts/
Specifically:
QuoteThe Bills, in a desperate spot a few weeks ago, needed rookie Dane Jackson to step from the practice squad into a starting role. Jackson came away with an interception and likely put himself on the radar of other teams around the trade deadline. Every week since the season began, the Bills have made Jackson one of their four protected practice squad players. That means the only times the Bills had to worry about another team signing Jackson were Tuesdays until the end of NFL business hours. This week, the Bills protected veteran cornerback Daryl Worley instead of Jackson since they’ve used all of their free call-ups on him. If the Bills were to elevate Jackson again, they’d have to subject him to waivers. All of it could mean they’re planning to elevate him to the 53-man roster. In Week 2, the Bills followed a similar track with cornerback Cam Lewis. They protected him in Week 1, left him unprotected the following week and signed him to the active roster while Josh Norman was out with a hamstring injury.
Based on the Bills’ situation and general roster-building logic around the NFL, they have an opportunity at linebacker to make room for Jackson. The Bills could either release Del’Shawn Phillips, subject him to waivers and re-sign him to the practice squad once he clears, or place him on IR with the quad injury that kept him out of practice Wednesday. Since they liked Phillips enough to keep him around to start the year, IR seems the likelier option of the two. Milano was doing work along the sideline this week at practice and could return Dec. 7 against San Francisco at the earliest. Tyrel Dodson also could be in line for a return after he’s missed three games with a hamstring injury, satisfying his minimum stay on IR. And, to bridge the gap to Dec. 7, the Bills have two free call-ups to use on veteran Darron Lee as a fifth linebacker on game days. The Bills have plenty of linebackers to choose from, which could pave the way for Jackson to the active roster for the rest of the season.
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On 11/1/2020 at 3:40 PM, Mr. WEO said:
Yup. Despite that duo, a year later the Bills had to give up a 1st rounder and tens of millions to get Diggs as a real #1 WR.
Metcalf, Brown Beasley and 2020's 1st round pick. A bargain.
I get this, but even with the benefit of hindsight I'm not sure I'd give up Diggs to have had Metcalf. No guarantee it goes down this way, but if we take Metcalf it's likely we don't make a move for Diggs. Agreed that the 2020 1st rounder could've tipped the scales depending on who it would have been used on, but right now Diggs is the better receiver, second in the league only to Hopkins this season.
I know we essentially spent our 1st rounder on him this year, and frankly I'm more okay with that than having Metcalf. For this offense, he's the more dynamic benefit - all-around better route runner, not nearly as physical but still high points all contested catches, and has great awareness and knowledge of the position. I'm curious how Davis will develop as well in conjunction with having Diggs. It's fine to say who was wrong in pre-evaluation of Metcalf, but extending that to mean we are worse off as a result isn't really defensible.
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1 hour ago, Bangarang said:
He’s still terrible.
I'm glad him doing literally one thing decently is thread worthy for our starting OGs
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Just now, Billsatlastin2018 said:
Edmunds ?
Next up.... puuuulease.
Who? Andre Smith? Matakevich?
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39 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:
McD predetermines this stuff and it takes him forever to make a switch.
Admittedly, I'm overall onboard the McD train - but this preference is just maddening...for someone who stresses match-ups it's impossible to apply any logic to this.
Argument was made by BuffJunction that it's likely due to Feliciano being better at line calls and familiarity with Allen, but even that is a hard-pressed argument to make with Mongo's recent absence and two weeks practice since the end of last season.
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42 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
It’s because Mongo is better and more experienced with line calls. Not to mention Allen is used to taking snaps from him.
I don't entirely disagree Mongo is possibly better at line calls, but Allen has had more snaps with Bates than Feliciano since the end of last season. Find it hard to believe Mongo took any snaps these past two weeks in practice getting back to form.
Winters has no business starting in the NFL, which I understand is a consequence of our injuries to then Feliciano, now Ford and today Morse. Boettger is a liability in both aspects of the game, frequently holds and can't move DTs off their spot in run blocking. If you have to weigh the decision between these two options, you'd be hard pressed to argue Winters & Boettger are the better OG answers over Feliciano & Winters. I'd personally argue Bates is the better lineman than both Winters and Boettger, and does very much understand line calls demonstrated by his fundamentally consistent play at both OT and C.
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Interesting they have gone to Feliciano at center.
For whatever reason they want Boettger in the lineup...
It's astounding - we have concerns about a run game, but insist on starting Winters and Boettger and expecting that to change. Run offenses are entirely generated by the OG/C's - having Bates at C/OT allows Feliciano to occupy one of the two guard spots and we can actually have both pass pro and run gaps...not to mention Bates had three key blocks to help Moss cover half the field on that drive.
I...just don't get it
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6 hours ago, PaattMaann said:
how about that Oliver isnt as effective this season because hes being asked to play the 1-tech when he should be playing the 3-tech, the position we drafted him for?
It's amazing how many people don't even realize this - much less understand the nuance of 1T v 3T. He's not going to get the pass rush stats if he isn't even rushing the passer. It's not just Oliver, they're doing it with Jefferson, too. Someone we brought in as a hybrid DE/3TDT, not even remotely close to 1T responsibility. Evaluated within this context, the performances of Oliver are actually stronger.
From a limited outside perspective it seems we're hurting so badly at 1T that we've converted two of the stronger 3Ts in the league (Oliver/Jefferson) to fill these roles. Hell, we all saw how Zimmer faired in his 1T snaps as well. Joe B coincidentally argues Zimmer actually did very well in his 1T/3T roles when paired with Butler, but I haven't watched his snaps as closely to say whether I'd agree. I'd be interested to see how the Zimmer/Butler/Jefferson/Oliver assignments play out on Sunday. At risk of looking past any opponent, it might still be the best way to trial run different interior roles among those guys.
Via today's Athletic article
QuoteIn an unusual move, the Bills did not dress a single one-technique defensive tackle against the Chiefs, opting to make Harrison Phillips a healthy scratch. Oliver, Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler and Justin Zimmer fit best in the three-technique defensive tackle role, so something had to give. The result was Oliver playing as the one-technique defensive tackle for the majority of his snaps. Of his 34 snaps, Oliver filled the one-technique role 67 percent of the time (23 snaps). That player is responsible for occupying multiple blockers and holding them at the line of scrimmage so that teammates around them have a free look at the running back. It’s why Star Lotulelei was such an important player to the Bills even in a limited role. On early downs, Lotulelei tended to make his teammates’ jobs easier. Against Kansas City, Oliver mostly paired with Jefferson. Oliver holds his spot better and is more effective against double teams than Jefferson is.
Of Jefferson’s 11 snaps at one-technique, the Bills’ run defense was a complete disaster. Six of those 11 plays were designed rushing attempts by the Chiefs, on which they gained 64 yards for an average of 10.7 yards per carry. Half of those carries went for 8 yards or more. When the Bills lined Oliver up at one-technique, the defense still was vulnerable against the run, but not as much. On 13 designed runs with Oliver at one-technique, the Chiefs gained 89 yards (6.8 yards per carry). Oliver was clearly playing out of position all game, but the Bills went with it out of self-preservation. In his few three-technique snaps, Oliver mostly won his one-on-ones. Overall, he didn’t have enough opportunities to penetrate the backfield by the Bills’ design.
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6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
"best" part is how he reappears at the very end like he just went under a wave - the entire LOS moved past him by 6 yards and just pops up at the end like "where everybody go?"
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Don't know which hot take thread it belongs in, but from the Mahomes post-game, "once we saw how far off their LBs, DBs, and safeties were playing, we knew we could just lean on the run game."
Plain and simple, even in the rain, our defensive strategy this game was to take away Hill, Kelce, and the deep threat. Yea we'll give up yards on the ground but it'll slow the game down and it'll slow Mahomes down. Well, it did. It kept us in the game longer than it looked like. The problem is still of course the DL who can't anchor that kind of strategy. This Zimmer take is hilarious, he was obliterated on almost all running plays and certainly all where he was double-teamed. Not a knock against him alone, we have no DT presently capable of standing ground against a double team. Oliver is not that 1T, and frankly think he's still learning to trust his knee a bit more.
This from today's Athletic article says a lot about this strategy last night actually:
QuoteThe Chiefs ran the ball on first down 19 times throughout the game. Those 19 carries resulted in 139 yards and a 7.3 yards per carry. Three of those first downs came in the fourth quarter when the Chiefs were trying to run down the clock. If you remove those three attempts and resulting yardage, the Bills gave up 137 yards on 16 carries for an average of 8.6 yards per carry on first downs. Of those 16 carries, 15 of them went for at least 5 yards and the other one went for 4 yards. If you’re looking for a culprit on defense, their lack of wins on first downs is a great place to start.
It doesn't get better, most of that was a Jefferson/Oliver combo getting taken advantage of. The rest were all rotated guys who suffered equally. I think this is an important point considering what we're all griping about from last night. This was a direct consequence of our strategy - allowing short/ground yards to eliminate big passes and chunk plays. It worked, well in fact, but the problem was our DL was porous on 1st and 2nd downs not giving us anything manageable to stop on 3rd. This is the cornerstone of McD's defensive philosophy, fwiw.
Again, there's more than a few issues, including personnel - but my god we need to stop sharpening the pitchforks. All collective expectations for this team this season aside, winning teams all have bad stretches and blow outs, how they respond the rest of the season defines the team they are and will be. Again, my hope has been checked for the remainder of the season unless some fundamental strategies are worked out, and guys get healthy. But I find it hard to reason we'll be this team the rest of the season.
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Doesn't Wade run a base 3-4? That'll mesh well with this personnel and pretty much everything else about this team...for starters, where are you going to find the LBs?
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Didn't check the Frasier thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned there - but since there's still a cohort with their Edmunds pitchforks still sharpened, Joe B put a segment of the Athletic's All22 in about Edmunds today:
QuoteOn a night full of defensive shortcomings, the performances of linebackers Tremaine Edmunds and Tyrel Dodson were promising. I was wrong in my initial observations of Edmunds’ play Tuesday, though some of the criticisms do hold up. The film, as it often does, told a different story. Edmunds looked the most confident and decisive that he has since his return from the injury. He wasn’t missing tackles as he was before. He became more of a force in coverage and was getting away from blocks more effectively than he was in the previous two games. The block shedding has been a problem for much of Edmunds’ career, but it’s been worse since his injury. Thankfully, the shoulder injury seems to be healing. If Edmunds can return to form and Matt Milano can get back on the field, the Bills will be trending in the right direction at linebacker.
Dodson was also a pleasant surprise Tuesday. He continued to struggle in some pass coverage areas, but it was quite an improvement from his performance against the Dolphins. The second-year player must have self-scouted over the past few weeks because he slowed his game down and didn’t go for nearly as many play-action fakes as he did in Week 2. He also showed he’s a more dependable option than A.J. Klein to fill in for Edmunds or Milano at linebacker. Klein will continue to be an option in base defense as a strongside linebacker because of his strengths against the run, but it’s not surprising Dodson passed Klein by in the Bills’ nickel formations with just two linebackers.
1 hour ago, dneveu said:I'd say taron johnson was the worst player on the field. 3rd and 20 in man coverage with kalif raymond.
D-line play is hard to diagnose to me. If a player loses the edge it may be by design, you never really know.
For what it's worth in relation to the above, he and the DL (specifically anyone who isn't Hughes) got the most flack - honestly need to watch myself to see, but from Tuesday most of what's said here seems to line up:
QuoteAn early-season trend has become an outright disappointment for the Bills. Opposing offenses have found someone to pick on in nickel cornerback Taron Johnson, the Bills’ fourth-round pick in 2018. In man-to-man coverage, which the Bills play sometimes when blitzing, he is a liability. He hesitates at the beginning of the route, immediately loses ground and doesn’t have the pure athleticism to catch up to the receiver before the ball gets delivered. He also tends to grab when he feels like the opponent has beaten him and has gotten away with some penalties this season. Even in contested catch situations, Johnson doesn’t break up passes nearly often enough. Johnson’s vulnerabilities in coverage, along with the poor play of Josh Norman, led to many easy opportunities for Tannehill to get the ball out of his hand quickly. The pass rush deserves a lot of the blame, but the secondary was also part of the problem.
And Johnson has not improved as the Bills hoped he would. The Bills have seen slot receivers routinely win their routes against him, and he remains one of the biggest reasons why the Bills’ defense hasn’t been able to get off the field quickly enough. The Bills must do something to salvage their struggling secondary. They should consider one of two options. First, see if Cam Lewis can provide better coverage at nickel. That’s where Lewis fits best in their defense and they’ve liked the progress he’s made. If not that, the Bills should consider trading for a nickel cornerback. The position usually doesn’t command a high cost due to its value.
The player who stands out above the rest is Desmond King of the Los Angeles Chargers. King is a proven performer and is on the last year of his rookie contract, which would make a trade more palatable for Bills GM Brandon Beane. Even if the answer isn’t Lewis or King, the Bills should take the pressure off Johnson and let him focus on special teams for a bit.
Not claiming Joe B to be the definitive voice on this of course, but seems relevant to these ongoing discussions. It's clear the defense has some issues this year, I think far more variables affected them Tuesday than prior, but everyone notices it including the coaches. The difference is we don't have near the collective knowledge or inside info they do, and it seems the majority of us here think we know better. Lorax isn't some Edmunds sympathizer - he understands that our defense does not actually have an MLB and Edmunds and Milano very much have similar roles. He isn't going to outright criticize him either, but what he is saying isn't baseless - a lot of the criticisms that focus on this aspect are however.
I do agree with the criticisms in coverage playcalls, and hiding coverages - but I have to wonder how much of the playcall coverages are due to the personnel we have left to play. Without Milano and White Tuesday (again have to check) we ran a lot of the same base coverage to relieve our replacements, and our DL yet again did nothing to help us outside of Jerry. I'm more interested to see how they play the Chiefs this week if healthy, and more so the Pats in three weeks.
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Fwiw, it's not only on Taron here, or Edmunds for that matter. I posted this in the Edmunds hot take thread after Sunday, but might be worth it here for context on Taron:
Simply put, the Rams ran a great offense in the second half, any defense would have a hard time handling it:
- McVay was keeping track of the DL rotations we were using and made the most of the match-ups he identified.
- We saw year one Goff getting to the line early and have to think he had the extra mic time and ability to pre-snap read.
- We were focused on shutting down Higbee, which we overall could say we did. This should really be #1 here, considering it was our top priority after Gesicki had another field day with us, and Higbee didn't see a catch until late in the 3rd. We erased the biggest part of their PA pass game.
- Yes, Woods took us to town on sweeps, but overall we were looking to make this a trench game and prevent air yards.
The Rams are a very good football team, it's as simple as that. Joe B posted some points in his All-22 along these lines:
Quote2) Did Edmunds struggle as much as it appeared on the broadcast?
When the Bills’ defense was getting trounced in the second half, linebacker Tremaine Edmunds drew some ire as a reason for the Bills losing their way. [...] While he missed some tackles in key moments, though, Edmunds wasn’t nearly the liability he was getting made out to be.
Edmunds was particularly noticeable on film, in a good way, for his work in coverage. He made Goff’s job difficult in the first half by clogging up passing windows, and even knocking away a pass. His speed from sideline to sideline was unaffected by his injury. Simply his presence on the field affected the game and was a big upgrade over the young Tyrel Dodson. The Bills didn’t allow a catch to Rams tight end Tyler Higbee until eight minutes into the third quarter, and Edmunds deserves a lot of the credit for that. We also can’t forget that the defense allowed only three points through the first two and a half quarters against a well-schemed offense, and Edmunds had a part in that.
None of that is to say Edmunds didn’t struggle down the stretch. He did, and it looked like the shoulder injury was bothering him on tackle attempts and on plays where he needed to shed blocks. Still, he wasn’t more to blame than others for how the Bills’ defense let the game get away from them in the second half. On the surface, Edmunds has a lot of potential and comes with a big reputation as a former first-round pick. Reviewing the film offers a reminder that he’s playing through what looks to be a painful shoulder injury and is still a significant upgrade over his backup.
3) An all-out failure by the defensive line
While there is plenty of blame to go around for the Bills’ defensive woes in the second half, the criticism starts and ends with the defensive line. Defensive end Mario Addison was the only player from that unit who received an above-average grade for his performance. [...]
The most surprising performance was that of Jerry Hughes, who had one of the better grades through the first two weeks. Against Los Angeles, Hughes was essentially erased by left tackle Andrew Whitworth. He didn’t provide any pressure on the quarterback, even in plenty of one-on-one opportunities. Trent Murphy also was a non-factor, too often trying to go wide on pass-rushing attempts. Rookie A.J. Epenesa, though he recorded his first career sack, also struggled against the strength of blockers and completely lost contain at one point on a Robert Woods end-around gain.
The defensive tackles were even worse. The Rams picked on the Bills’ interior with their rushing attack and dominated them almost all game. Quinton Jefferson was the biggest disappointment of the game — he struggled to hold the point of attack against double teams and the offensive line quickly got him moving side-to-side to create a cutback lane for runner Darrell Henderson. Jefferson is a good pass rusher, but the full-time one-technique defensive tackle role might not be for him based on what we saw Sunday. Harrison Phillips was also a liability against the Rams. They routinely controlled him and pushed him out of the way in rushing attempts. He also didn’t provide any semblance of a pass rush when given one-on-one chances. For the first time this season, the Bills badly missed Star Lotulelei and his impact against the run.
The solution for the Bills could come internally. Vernon Butler, who mostly played as a backup three-technique defensive tackle, also took some reps at one-technique. He provided more of an anchor against the run than either Jefferson or Phillips did, and those efforts could be worthy of a start alongside Oliver. Butler does not provide nearly the type of pass-rushing ability as Jefferson does, but the Bills need to figure something out against the run. If it’s a simple fix of pairing Oliver with Butler and switching Jefferson back to his natural position of three-technique alongside Phillips, then it’s worth a shot. The Bills would still be able to substitute Jefferson in for Butler on obvious passing downs. Whatever the case, the Bills need to fix the middle of their defensive line because they were a big reason the Rams came back in the game.
Why we have Jefferson at 1T when he's a hybrid 3/5T is likely telling about how healthy Harry actually is. As for his few snaps last year, Harry faired better at 1T than Star before his injury as the anchor and eating gap double teams. This year it looks like he still doesn't trust it quite yet and needs to get overall strength back. But ANY defense that has issues with the run need not look further than their front four - run stop starts up front, and if the middle can't set the LOS and anchor gaps it doesn't matter if we have the best "pantene pro" LB and/or Nickel DB in the league.
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17 hours ago, jayg said:
Came here for this, "defense" and "defence" are both correct. Pretty sure the US is the only english speaking country that uses the former, everywhere else uses the latter. Now that that's said, this thread is meaningless. Defense has an all-around bad week and we're calling in the auxiliaries.
Most of the issues present here are ongoing in the Edmunds thread, and are just as hot if not hotter refuse there as they are here. Let's see how this defense comes out against a tough run game with Jacobs in Vegas.
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9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
That’s possible. If that’s the case though, MCD should have pulled him as he was a liability today.
That second half would've been infinitely worse if Dodson had to step in, frankly. McVay would've picked him apart in coverage, forget the run.
To OP's points, fwiw:
Regardless of whether Edmunds was 100% today, this wasn't his best showing from a run read perspective. It's always been his biggest chip. However, you can only take so much of these hot takes every time he has a showing like this - this dead horse can only be beaten so many times. What these people should actually have an issue with are two things: one, we have a difficult time at 1T DL in getting a set LOS and gap setter. It starts up front, and frankly Harry may not be 100% either. I'm not sure what happened to Butler today but Oliver can only do so much. Two, this is the defensive scheme and system we have - and it's hard for people to understand apparently, but McD's base scheme does not have a "traditional" MLB. What people are craving for is the Brandon Spikes run stuffer which to McD is a one-dimensional aspect of a multi-dimensional position. That to say, McD's MLB is a hybrid position requiring as much, if not more, coverage ability in the zone match scheme than in the run stuffing scheme. I agree, Edmunds can still do more to improve this aspect of his game, but he is not the LB that played today and McD sees all of it. I'll end this bit by simply saying the kid (literal, kid in NFL terms) is continuing to show growth in a highly complicated defensive scheme. He is and will be a great piece of our defense, and it was night and day between last week and today regardless of what the outcome was in the second half.
Lastly, I'll say this one thing about today specifically. The Rams ran a great offense in the second half, that I'd like to see any defense handle. McVay was keeping track of the DL rotations we were using and made the most of the match-ups he identified. We saw year one Goff getting to the line early and have to think he had the extra mic time and ability to pre-snap read. Either way we were focused on shutting down Higbee, which we overall could say we did. That was huge. Woods took us to town on sweeps, but overall we were looking to make this a trench game and prevent air yards. The Rams are a very good football team, it's as simple as that. What will say the most about today is how this defense comes out next week away against a seemingly resurgent Raiders team with a, you guessed it, a stout run game with Jacobs. These hot takes have to stop though...today's blood pressure game is enough.
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53 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:
Obviously you don't live in Oregon
Nailed it - and condolences, they didn't do OR any favors with the SF/NY game. Out of curiosity, is it mostly SF fans there?
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2 hours ago, ProcessYaDigg said:
I really hate living right outside of Philly
Grew up in Wayne/Valley Forge area - it was rough for Bills games lol
That said, now living in the PNW and I'm LOVING this week
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1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:
Nope. Week one had the Phins on alert for it and likely they overplayed it allowing for other opportunities. I think week one was all about giving teams something to worry about with Josh running - because they should worry about it. Thought I'd see him take off near the goal line but liked what he did instead!
^This
Daboll's gameplan is that what is done one week sets it up for the next - we ran a lot of RPO/script runs to Josh because the Ravens tore the Jets a new one with it. Dolphins were gouged by 11-personnel so Daboll relied on that, but the week 1 runs were to get tape out on Josh running this year so it's just another thing teams still need to prepare for.
Tell you what though, if he keeps passing like this defenses are going to hate prepping for his arm and legs every down.
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1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:
This play by Allen just amazes me. Josh just flicks his wrist, no wind up or anything and he slings the ball 50 yards in the air. His arm strength is unreal.
Loved this when I saw, mostly because of when I saw it - but a huge score that would help seal the win.
Another worth noting was the 2nd and 24 to Beasley - to me that one play demonstrates the entirety of Allen's growth over the past three seasons, from the pre-snap read, to the pocket presence all the way through the touch throw completion. Frankly, it gave me more faith in Daboll too the way it was drawn up - lots of levels going on and it nearly converted (or maybe it did?) and was the reason we were able to score the go ahead TD to Davis.
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
Boy can play
Somebody called it back in April, someone should pay that guy 🍻
Easy to see how he beat out the rest for the roster spot
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Just now, Jerry Jabber said:
Dodson is looking great so far!
Came here for this - talk about guys stepping up big when needed, this is it.
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TBN Jim Kubiak on Allen in Cardinals game
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by ctk232
MUCH appreciate those wideviews - camera cut digs off just before the mailbox, but looks like Allen was passed that part of his read, albeit correctly or not. Sure, a completion to Knox seems possible there and he is at the sticks, but this wasn't the first and only time Josh preferred the deep route to the shallow route. Very easily could have been a first there, and at least a higher percentage of completion than the actual decision.
Again, hard to tell exactly but we can at least say the read progression moves left to right, and looks to be reading the stack defender on the left side, and deep safety. He moves on pretty quickly, but man he does miss those two flat-footed defenders with Diggs splitting them. Deep safety (maybe Baker?) has already reacted to Allen's windup in the first still, but even if he stays put there a well placed sideline ball is something Diggs should come away with every time. Just b/c it is Baker and can close with the best - he likely covers that 10-15 yds since he's shading the left hash, but not in time for a well placed throw.
All this to say, hope they're seeing this in film this week - both the potential to Diggs, and the garbage decoy concept using an RB much less Singletary specifically.