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    Think NE's FO is so great?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    That's a very glass half full summary.

    The only positions that really stand out as far as their long-term future are the OL & LB core.

    Mallet, the WR's, the DB's - every team has guys like that who may or may not work out.

    The RB's are fine but none are real difference makers. Again this is true of about 90% of teams outside of Minnesota (superhuman) and Pittsburgh (a bunch of scrubs).

    Gronk despite his youth could very well be closer to the end of his peak than the beginning, as pointed out by Bill Barnwell.

    We have two in the secondary that are unquestionably part of the core Dennard and McCourty, the others I stated the question marks, as for WR, there is no doubt that they are young and inexperienced, but every player was a rookie at some point and there are good indications of them, Amendola was locked up for multi years as well and he's proven he can produce while on the field with lesser QBs

    Think NE's FO is so great?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    > What is being discussed and how it is being discussed in this thread is a far cry from critically analyzing a winning team.

     

    Once again you are painting with a broad brush. The above-quoted text is only true of some of the criticisms of the Patriots in this thread.

     

    > For me, not for a lot of others, the notion that the Pats cheating was a major contributor to their success is an absurdity.

     

    In each of their Super Bowl wins, the Patriots' margin of victory was exactly three points. Do you think that knowing what the other team was going to do before they did it could have changed the outcome of a three point game?

     

    I have a lot of respect for the intellectual rigor with which Bill Belichick conducts himself. So much so that I bought and read Patriot Reign. But I don't think there's any room for reasonable debate about whether the Patriots' cheating might have affected the outcomes of their three point Super Bowl wins. Had the Bills cheated their way to a three point Super Bowl win, I'd be saying the exact same thing. In case you doubt my impartiality, bear in mind that I think the Home Run Throwback had been officiated correctly. (As painful as that is for me to write.)

     

    Without the cheating, the Patriots would still have been a very successful organization. "Successful" would still mean five Super Bowl appearances. But it would probably mean fewer than three Super Bowl wins. Five appearances, plus an unknown number of Super Bowl wins, is a very respectable record of accomplishment.

     

    > You can criticize the successful Pats organization all you want. What is there to criticize?

     

    The previous ten years have been very good for the Patriots. Will the next ten be equally good? They do not have an heir apparent for Tom Brady. They do not seem to have a large core of young, talented players. (If you disagree with that, please name the players you feel constitute their young core.) Once Brady retires, they will probably go into rebuilding mode. There's no shame in that. Most dynasty teams go into rebuilding mode after enough of their star players retire. We as Bills fans are so conditioned to the Patriots dominating the division--and dominating us--over such a long period of time, that it's easy to conclude their dominance will last forever. But I don't see them adding the young talent they'd need to add to make that dominance permanent.

     

    > I'm sure you may find my attitude a tad bit sanctimoneous but I prefer building oneself up rather than knocking the other guy down.

     

    I also prefer building myself up to knocking the other guy down. I realize you feel frustrated with those who have the opposite perspective. So do I. But you are responding more strongly to your justified feeling of frustration than to the nuance and meaning of what's actually being written. Much of what's been written about the Patriots, both now and in the past, has been the result of the desire to tear the other guy down; or else based on wishful thinking about the imminent demise of the Patriots. But to instinctively lump all criticism of the Patriots into that category does a disservice to the discussion. If you think the individual points I've raised--such as the Patriots not acquiring young talent fast enough to stay dominant, or nor acquiring an heir apparent to Tom Brady--are incorrect, then by all means refute them. If you're right and I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be refuted. It would be a chance to learn something new. But blanket statements, condemning all criticism of the Patriots organization, are not informative.

     

    Offense:

    QB Ryan Mallet, may or may not be the future, was highly regarded out of college

    RB Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden all 24 or younger

    WR Josh Boyce, Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thomkins all 3 rookies, two of which were drafted this year with high promise and a promising UDFA that has lit up the PS

    TE Rob Gronkowski signed though 2019 with team outs

    OL we have our franchise Left Tackle it Nate Solder

     

    Defense:

    LB Mayo will be the veteran leader of the future, Hightower played very well as a rookie

    DE Chandler Jones was quite possibly on his way to DROY until he got hurt

    CB Alfonzo Dennard was a steal at CB, Logan Ryan looked good in PS but we'll have to see about what he does in real games, Talib is pretty young too, if we resign him our 2 CB starters are set

    S D-Mac looks like an elite safety out there, a few other youngsters look promising but the jury is still out

    Will Gronk be back for Week 1?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2013/05/30/drew-rosenhaus-rob-gronkowski-joked-he-was-firing-me-and-hiring-jay-z/

     

    After waking up from his latest surgery — a procedure done on his left forearm — the Patriots’ tight end apparently had a good laugh at the expense of his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.

    “As soon as he woke up, he joked, ‘Hey, I’m firing you.’ I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘Yeah, I’m letting you go. I’m going to hire Jay-Z,’ ” Rosenhaus told ESPN on Thursday. “He was joking with me.

    “That’s the great Rob Gronkowski. Immediately after surgery in the recovery room, he’s cracking jokes about letting me go as his agent. He’s one of a kind. Nothing’s going to slow this guy down. He’s a ton of fun to represent and an amazing client.”

     

     

    But he also opens up (pun not intented) about the surgery

     

    Rosenhaus was making the media rounds on Thursday. Earlier in the day, he told WQAM Radio in Florida that Gronkowski’s upcoming back surgery was no big deal, calling it was “preventative maintenance” and added that its’ fundamentally “killing two birds with one stone.”

    “This is a lingering problem that Rob’s been playing with — actually through all of last season — and now that he’s out with the arm for a set period of time, it’s something that he eventually would have to do,” Rosenhaus said. “The recovery will be very comparable to the amount of time he would have missed with the arm surgery, so why not get it done now and make sure when he is healthy he’s 100 percent and he doesn’t have to address the back down the road?

    “I used the cliche ‘We’re killing two birds with one stone’ by getting the back surgery when he’s out and recovering with his arm, because he really can’t do much right now anyway.”

    Will Gronk be back for Week 1?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    From what I here he'll miss OTAs and mini-camp and be ready for the start of training camp, the back surgery is on the same issue he had prior to last years NE @ BUF, so it's relativily minor and the timetable is the same as the arm so shouldn't be a setback. All reports are that it will be 10 weeks, allowing him to suit up in late July.

    Pro Bowl announcements...

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    How can we be a nationally-followed team without any national games?

     

    How can Pittsburgh NOT be a nationally-followed team when they're on every freaking week?

     

    Yes, I can blame the networks. I want to watch some teams outside the select few that the networks have chosen. The Cowboys are on almost as much as Pittsburgh. Both have similar records to ours. Insane programming.

    Stillers have fans because all the steel mills closed down and the workers moved away

    Hysterical Ref-Related Thread on Pats* Fan Boards

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Clear? You mean like when the ball lands 10 yards out of bounds coming almost straight down on a bomb from midfield (you know, like the one they called on us against them)?

     

    That one was kind of questionable, but the one we are talking about is the one on the Texans. How many times do you see a miraculous sideline catch with the receiver fully extended just barely with feet in bounds though? It happens often enough, if there is a question the receiver gets the benefit of the doubt no matter what the team.

     

    And that game (Bills/Pats) there were questionable calls both ways, refs are not infallible, they are human. It is the first reaction as a fan to think you are getting hosed and to ignore the bad calls in your favor.

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