San-O
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Again, my request was to name the busts. I haven't seen an answer yet. I'm sure there are some, because it happens to every team, but support that "bust" comment with facts, please.
How many sacks did Jennings give up last year? What round was he drafted in? Has he produced appropriate value to be drafted that high? These are the types of questions you need to ask when evaluating a draft. Not just by throwing around the term "bust".
Speaking on the "whole", you seemed to very quickly move from that premis to
picking one player and stat to go with. How many sacks did the O-line give up last
year?
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Again, my request was to name the busts. I haven't seen an answer yet. I'm sure there are some, because it happens to every team, but support that "bust" comment with facts, please.
How many sacks did Jennings give up last year? What round was he drafted in? Has he produced appropriate value to be drafted that high? These are the types of questions you need to ask when evaluating a draft. Not just by throwing around the term "bust".
You said TD did a good job on the whole. I just don't see it. I will give you a
B- on his drafts. You grade "on the whole" coaching staff and
overall record grades.Fair enough?
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Bust draft picks, eh? That's a hackneyed theme. And not supportable. Go for it, man. Name all the busts. Good ones like Travis Henry, Clements, Jennings, Wire, etc. You can't argue that point. Donahoe has hit some home runs, and if you'd like to bring up bust draft picks, you might want to look at the entire picture or else you may look like a fool.
Gilbride? Well, he looked good at first, but then sucked. What is debatable is when he should have been fired by Williams, and the reprocussions if Donahoe forced Williams' hand, especially if he knew the season was shot. You want to take a shot at answering either of these points? Or are you going to fellate the opinions of moron Sullivan.
Wire looks to be a good backup who will start only because Lawyer Milloy is hurt.
Jennings is somewhere around above average. Where are all the starters he drafted. Seven?
Regarding your creative "fellatio" crack, I think we should keep your personal activities or desires out of this thread.
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You're missing the point. It is idiotic to take as fact opinions based on half-truths and factual omissions. That's what Sullivan is a master of. If you take Donahoe's record as a whole, you will find that while he is not faultless, he's done a good job of assembling a good team. Sullivan takes the stance that Donahoe is an overrated fool.
Psychology majors might call this projection.
Record as a whole, a good job? Based on what? GW and Gilbride, 17-31, or
bust dratf picks?
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What part of the article is complete crap? His first hire was a failure and allowed
GW to bring in a bunch oif nit wits and friends including Gilbride. His drafting has
also been very supspect.
17-31 after three years. Not good.
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I am in agreement with Sullivan, and believe he (TD) has made arrogent picks
not realizing the true talent and state of the team. His take on the interview
of GW and TD finding a top rate staff, selling us a load was also right on.
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"Ol' Whitey" sure seems thin skinned. Remember when he scolded the fans
for getting GW run out of town?
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"Is Denney now officailly a bust?"
Why is it that every post that asks..."is [fill in name] officially a bust?" written by someone relatively new to TSW? Are you just trying to get a rise out of people?
Denny's an effective role player who'll never get a lot of sacks. But every team needs quality depth guys like him. He'll get a lot of playing time and make Kelsay all the better for it.
Excuse me, I have been a member longer than you.
Every team needs quality depth, however not from players drafted with a number 2 pick. Players taken that high are expected to start.
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I see the need the Bills had to pick an LDE two years in a row as certainly being prompted by some real failure on Denny's part as a rookie, but also in no small part it was prompted by:
1. The Bills moved from running a 3-4 to a 4-3.
2. At the same time they jacked up their need for DL players by 25% they were in the process of losing Big Ted as a cap cut, Wiley as an FA and Hansen to retirement.
3. This also came on the tail of losing the best defensive player we ever had, Bruce Smith, as a cap casualty.
If you want to talk about the whole point, then look at the whole thing. I think one of the major failings of the GW era was moving to a 4-3 at the worst possible time. I think the Bills would have been shopping for prominent De help regardless of how Denny performed as this team needed to create leverage and prepare for the potential loss of Schobel.
Good points, taken with the larger perspective.
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How silly. Both are number two draft choices. They were drafted in consecutive years. They're essentially interchangeable. If one's a bust, they're both a bust. Bottomline is neither is a star and neither never will be. Both are serviceable pros who will give it there all until something better comes along.
That is kind of the whole point, TD reached to draft Denney then drafted a 2nd round DE the next year. I think if a 1st/2nd round pick does not start after the
first year, if they are not a bust, they are not getting much done. A 2nd round
pick not starting the 3dr year looks pretty bad.
Remember, Denny was a bit older to begin with and is 27 years old now. He should be well into his prime I would think.
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As the decision has been made regarding starting left D-end, is Denney now
an actual bust as has apparently been passed over by a 2nd year player?
Would seem so to me, although I now the opinions very.
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Eric Steinbach could have started immediately at Guard, instead of wasting a year on Pucillo. Hindsight is always 20/20. Still, several of us at the stadium draft party were rooting for Steinbach, prior to the Willis selection.
I'm just not into paying someone big $$ to watch him rehab 1-2 years to start his career. Especially a critical #1 pick. Nothing personal against Willis.
The cap age dictates prudent moves to strengthen your club ASAP. You can only keep a good core together for a short time. The window of opportunity is much shorter than 10-15 years ago, when the cap didn't play into this and rosters had little yearly movement. Now the yearly roster turnover is extraordinary.
Your paying this guy like he's one of your 8-12 core players...and he's still not 100 % recovered from his college injury.
The issue of whether I expected him to be 100 % this year is moot. I hope we can use him correctly this season. Short yardage/goal line situations seem to be the ticket. If Henry goes down, I would hope the Coaching staff would explore the possibility of giving Williams some carries, instead of settling with Willis carrying 20 times for 60 yards. He isn't scaring anyone in the open field.
Williams, on the other hand, could provide that big play threat. The Defense would have to respect that..
Flame away...
I agree 100 % and would also add, why draft a project at a position you have a
Pro Bowler at when you are actually an average to below average team?
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Um...guys this is all you need to know! If we would have picked an OL in that spot, this board would have flipped. Ed has it exactly right. We went into the draft last year needing a Dlineman and came away with the guy that was targeted in that timeframe with our next pick. McGahee was a bonus, in my mind an excellent move.
You can all say, well this player was better last year, that player started 16 games, etc. As they say, 'Hindsight is 20-20'.
Lets look at this years draft: Lee Evans if he doesn't start "that pick sucks!", Losman broken leg and won't start this year "what a waste." Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, half of the other 1st rounders - they all suck! because they probably won't contribute a whole lot this year. Lighten up people, you draft for the future. One year does not a future make.
Yes, and this is TD's 4th year drafting for the future.
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Um...guys this is all you need to know! If we would have picked an OL in that spot, this board would have flipped. Ed has it exactly right. We went into the draft last year needing a Dlineman and came away with the guy that was targeted in that timeframe with our next pick. McGahee was a bonus, in my mind an excellent move.
You can all say, well this player was better last year, that player started 16 games, etc. As they say, 'Hindsight is 20-20'.
Lets look at this years draft: Lee Evans if he doesn't start "that pick sucks!", Losman broken leg and won't start this year "what a waste." Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, half of the other 1st rounders - they all suck! because they probably won't contribute a whole lot this year. Lighten up people, you draft for the future. One year does not a future make.
Yes, and this is TD's 4th year drafting for the future.
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I seem to recall that, because the draft was so weak, nobody was interested in trading for the pick.
The simple fact of the matter is we needed DL help - Kelsay was the targetted pick there -- but we grabbed WM instead and STILL got Kelsay in the 2nd round. Nothing wrong with that.
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Great, a 1st AND 2nd round pick that don't start.
Again, this team was 8-8 that season. Not in the playoffs then, and not close
last year.
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A thought: How much better would this team look on paper right now if
TD had used that pick on an offensive lineman. Better yet, traded down to
get a 2nd and 3rd round pick o-linemen. We would have had two linemen with
their rookie years behind them.
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Actually, assclown, with your theory, there is NO comparison possible for Dr. SoCal-Surf to even postulate, since no experimental group would have time to have valid statistical data. Lori, the certified genius, worked with the only numbers available to her according to the theory provided by the mad doctor.
So fukk that.
I think I mentioned that assclown2: "The 2004 preseason offense would be the "experimental group". Less information to work
with and not an actual experiment."
Let's try and keep your oral fixation issues out of the posts, OK?
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Denver: Pucillo at LG, M. Price at RT.
Tennessee: current starting 5.
Indy: Sullivan at LT.
So, since the alleged "starting unit" has actually only started one of the three games, let's look at their playing time in that Tennessee game a little closer (although even that is skewed somewhat, since L. Smith and Tucker split time at LG).....
Drive 1:
Henry 2yds, Henry 4yds, DB-to-EM 7yds, Henry 22yds, DB-EM 35yds. 1st-and-10 at TEN 18, DB-EM 7yds, stupid PF on Shelton makes it 2nd-and-18. DB-JR 11yds, 3rd and 7 at the 15. Henry fumble on fake reverse (recovered by MW), FG.
Drive 2: 3-and-out. MW whiff on 1st down, TH -5yds; screen to Evans, no gain (missed block by Campbell on the outside); screen to Henry, 3yds.
Drive 3: Tucker in at LG. Henry 4yds; TEN penalty, Henry no gain; DB incomplete. TEN offsides=1st down. Incomplete (another MW whiff, the play TH got hurt on), McGahee 11yds, 1st-and-goal at the 6. WM no gain, DB to Campbell 4 yds, 3rd-and-goal at the 2. Bledsoe trip/grounding (threw ball away after 5 seconds on game clock), FG.
Drive 4: 1st-and-goal at the 5 after McGee return. Brown in at QB, 2nd-string WR/TE, but the first-team line is still in there, as is the TEN first-string D. WM 2yds, WM 3yds-TD.
Four first-half drives. Three scores - 2 FG, 1 TD (albeit on a very short field). Two bad plays by MW, in his first action of the preseason. Two badly-executed - and somewhat questionable - playcalls on 3rd downs inside the TEN 20 (fake reverse, play-action on 3rd-and-goal from the 2).
Stats from those drives:
Henry: 7-27 yds, 3.9 ypc, 0 TD
McGahee 4-16 yds, 4.0 ypc, 1 TD
Bledsoe 7-10, 67 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks.
That's one TD, 13 points total, in one half of a preseason game.
....and that makes one more offensive TD than in 7 GAMES last year; the 13 points ties or beats *8* games. And the 0 sacks on Bledsoe only happened once last season, vs. Jacksonville.
Same ol same ol?
Wow, that makes me fell a lot better. You are really spinning this thing hard.
When I say "starting unit", I mean the overall starting unit, as opposed to the
second or third team units.
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I don't think they will do better than 6-10 because I don't see many improvements,
you have a new coaching staff with the same QB and the defense made it through
last year with few injuries. This may not happen again.
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I really hate to keep on about this, but where are all the "McNally is going
work wonders" posters.
No touchdowns in three pre-season games from starting unit. That is not a good
sign. I tend to agree with Tony Bogyo's article where he essentially feels we
are in for the same type off offensive production this year. That fact that we are
down both backups is also not a good sign. The Statue is going to get killed and
that will be that.
Looks like Jerry Sullivan is at it again...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yes. Thabk you.