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2 hours ago, folz said:
Sorry to get a bit philosophical on a football board, but...
Let me ask this. Is a person's life meaningless unless they reach the top of their profession and are rich and famous? i.e., "win the Super Bowl" according to society's standards.
Or do they instead look back on life and see all of the fun and loving interactions with their friends and family; births, weddings, small achievements by you, your spouse, or children. Do they take pride in learning and growing and becoming a better person and helping their children to do the same, pride in overcoming the obstacles and adversity that they've faced, the enjoyment of holidays and parties and vacations and great conversations, and intimate moments with the one they love, etc., etc. What is more important in the end?
My second question is, when we win the Super Bowl, what then? Yes, it would be an awesome, ecstatic moment that we will all remember for a long, long time. A weight lifted off our collective shoulders. But then what? Do you stop watching football? Do you not care if the Bills stink then for the rest of our lives because at least we got one? Or does the narrative become, well we've only won one Super Bowl with Josh as our QB. A good GM/Coach would have won 3-4 with Josh. But, how does it really change how you watch the following 10-20 years of Bills games? I could care less about bragging rights, etc. And of course, that stuff fades with time anyhow, just ask the Jets. Whenever they say, "well at least our franchise has won a Super Bowl," others will respond, "yeah like almost 60 years ago, you weren't even born, so who cares." What we will remember is that moment, and that memory of sharing it with our families and fellow Bills' fans. But then the next season, it's just striving for that same goal again---and who knows how long it will take to do it again?
And we have actually had tons of those types of moments, just not in the Super Bowl. But honestly, I wouldn't trade being a Bills fan for all of the Lombardis in New England and K.C. Why? Because it hasn't been easy. The life lessons that have come along with being a Bills fan (resiliency, perseverance, overcoming adversity, loyalty, compassion, true teamwork, etc.) are unquantifiable. And because of all of the heartbreak, our small victories can be as or more exhilarating or precious than those other teams reaching the peak.
Let's go back to New Year's Eve 2017/2018. The drought ends. One of the best New Year's Eves of my life because of it. The joy and celebration we felt and shared with the team and Bills fans all around the country/world (just for making the playoffs) was probably as high as any team's secondary Super Bowl win (if it wasn't their first SB, or first in a long time). I mean how much true elation was there for say New England's 4th or 5th Super Bowl? Of course you're happy to win it again (especially if it was an exciting season), but the emotions felt are no where near the peak of that 1st one...or probably of making the playoffs after a 17-year drought.
How about the rally in Buffalo after the first Super Bowl loss in the 90s. When the entire crowd cheered for Scott Norwood to come to the podium (after having "lost" the game for the team...as many other fans would see it). Still brings a tear to my eye. And Marv reciting the "Sir Andrew" poem to the team, after the SB loss, about getting back up to fight another day.
51-3. I don't even need to say any more and most of you know what I'm talking about. And those that are old enough to have experienced it know. I was in the stands that day and I will never forget the party that was going on in that stadium for the entire second half. Or running through the parking lot after, high-fiving every other Bills fan.
The Damar Hamlin incident. How the team and community rallied together for our fallen comrade and grew closer because of it. All of the charitable donations made by Bills fans (Andy Dalton, Lamar Jackson, Damar, etc.)
I could go on and on...but you all know. We have had a lot of joy and a lot of heartbreak on this journey with our beloved team, but isn't that life?
And in the current era, beyond breaking the drought, we have enjoyed 93 wins (almost 65% of our games), we have dominated our division rivals, scored the most points and have the 2nd most wins last five years, getting to watch an All-time great QB---Amari lateraling the ball back to Josh for a TD in the snow vs. SF, Josh hurdling Anthony Barr to win as a 17-point underdogs, the perfect New England playoff game, the epic battles with KC (reg season and playoffs), etc., etc. I don't know about you, but I have enjoyed it all, Super Bowl or not.
Yes, we all want to see the Bills win a Super Bowl, but if it all seems meaningless unless they do, then maybe it's time to get off the ride. One person can look at a roller coaster and say, that's dumb it just goes around in a circle and you don't get anywhere, so they walk away. While another person gets on and relishes the sensation of every up and down, every twist and turn.
"I may be going to hell in a bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride." -The Grateful Dead
Amazing post, one of the best I have ever read in this forum in the well over two decades I have been on here.
Unfortunately it looks like not many have read it yet--or there would be a slew of posters hitting the 'awesome' emoji by now.
And, of course, almost none of those who most need to read it will do so. And those of them that do read it won't get it; it is sooo far off the tracks for them. But If they don't know sh*t from roses, fu** 'em. They aren't worth converting and will never get off that dark, irrational Crazy Train.
Truly a moving post, one full of insight and wisdom, as you define what it means to be a Bills' fan, and a human being as well.
Everyone should read Folz's post. Yup, it's long, but just look at what this thread has become, the waste, the same few posters bashing all over again, like demented broken records.. How many of the posts in this thread are just nonsense, just a waste of everyone's time--again? Like so many of the off season threads dominated by bashing, negativity and ignorance.
Instead, read that post, and be enlightened. Two posts above this one...
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1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:
Sorry to be unclear. That analogy hits me all the time, but it's more a function of my warped mind than something that would occur to others. Sorry.
The desperation to find a scapegoat always bemuses me.
We all ache for a championship. It's natural. But having a real chance every single year is a huge joy, one that most fanbases could never imagine.
No, it's a good comparison. As sometimes the best analogies are the ones that are not obvious, that you have to think about.
Yes, the journey is the destination. And this particular journey is bringing us great things, great game days that fill our heads with amazing images.
The championship will come. But, sadly, for many of those on that crazy negative train, even that will just be a one day thing. They will get right back on their super negative bandwagon at the first bump in the road.
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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
First, it's not the "psyche of the Bills fan base." It's just not. It's the psyche of a significant portion of them, yes. And it goes something like one of those scenes from the original Star Trek where the actors are all trying to synchronize throwing themselves from side to side on the set as if they're all being battered by huge explosions and Captain Kirk is spitting out, to nobody, his thoughts, "Must ... reach ... the phase shift ... dilithium ... button ... reverse the polarity ... find ... scapegoat ... blame Bills losses ... pitchforks ..."
This is one of the most common, basic ways to handle loss and disappointment among human beings. And most of the time it doesn't make sense. It's just the comfortable response.
It's not "everyone" who knows the defense is a "fraud." It's mostly a small group of very sad people. Who mistake the inability to stop one sensational offense with the greatest QB since Brady, a guy who's likely to enter the GOAT conversation, with being bad.
They certainly weren't good enough last year. But overall, the past four years before that they were damn good.
And again, they have actually been damned effective in the playoffs. Except against the Chiefs.
You're right, it's not just you. But it's closer to "just you" than it is to "everyone."
Though I had to read that a few times to get your point, a great analogy to start
But it's those last lines, that I just bolded, that accurately and factually nail some of the main problems with the bashers--they are simply not basing their ideas on reality, facts, but on pure emotion only.
That is why their arguments are so consistently, thoroughly ripped apart and undermined when posters decide to push back.
Those realities you point to so well, so accurately, are like mirrors to a vampire-- theyignore and avoid those at all costs. They cannot overcome them, so they just keep spewing.
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43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Absolutely.
My wife asked me “How willyou hide your b*ner if we meet Josh?”
And I said “Who said anything about hiding it?”
Yup, just like ol' Ted Nugent said, 'when in doubt..."...
Always the best policy.
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
I was being sarcastic.
Yup, I understood that...just made me think of that possibility, of Diggs getting invited to the wedding.
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14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Diggs has been pre gaming hard for this wedding.
Diggs, interesting.
They have said they are like brothers, and Josh says he loves Stefon.
Doubt it.
But we shall see..
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On 5/31/2025 at 4:43 PM, MJS said:
Hey, I agree. I want a Superbowl just as much as any other fan. But it is kind of annoying that any time anything positive is ever said about the team, there is a contingent of fans that come and say "it doesn't matter because we haven't won the superbowl." It gets old. We all want it. We all get it. They aren't saying anything we all don't already know. It is just this joyless, wet blanket of an attitude that isn't fun for anyone.
Hallelujah.
Well said..
With that last sentence maybe the most significant, most profound. Joyless. So sad for them. But worse-- that they try so hard to bring others to that dark place.
Thank goodness it is only a very small percentage of 'fans' who are like that. I cannot imagine not enjoying this current ride and the joy it has brought to me and the overwhelming majority of Bills' fans.
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23 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:
Just shows how good we’ve had it the past half decade.
Man, I hope we can turn this success into a Super Bowl title. Even if it’s just one!We’ve been dominant though and we’re very fortunate to have this run as fans.
Go Bills!
How dare you start a thread like this? Who do you think you are?
Just to antagonize the haters, I assume. Just flaunting the very high quality nature of our team since McBeane established this excellent base of success.
Picture: a furious Yosemite Sam, turning bright red, steam pouring out of his ears, cursing his brain off... That is what you do to that small but prolific group of posters with such a positive, upbeat OP. I hope you're happy.
Those are meaningless stats you point to, and the haters will make you pay for such such a careless, ignorant, heartless thread like this. They will not stand for this.
Shame!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk9C1ukV-EM
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7 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
I feel a need to be reassured by the board. I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety. Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy. Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous. I am 100% rooting for him. I know he has the height, weight and speed. But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound." No, please! I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me. Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone." I want to think - wide receiver over the middle? Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out. They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.
Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base. I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end. Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either). Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you. I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts. Thoughts?
This year we should see a different Cole Bishop, like we saw a different Terrel Bernard in his2nd year, and in Benford's 2nd and 3rd years, as Bishop has the physical tools, skills and intelligence.
Like them he just needed to learn how the NFL game works, so his skills can shine through. And with that the toughness you speak of.
If he is good the Bills defense is good, and if he is very good, the defense may be very good.
To me the quality of Bishop's play this summer and in the regular season may go a long way in transforming the defense.
I think he comes through and is considered a very good NFL safety by the end of the season, a player who got better and better as the season progressed
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12 hours ago, DCofNC said:
He’ll get the job, the owner already made them draft him, if you think he won’t force them to play him, I think you are mistaken. I can not for the life of me understand what they were doing drafting Gabriel, dude is a priority undrafted FA at best. What a waste of picks to not only take him, but then trade UP to take a better QB after him.
I think you may be right, especially for a guy still reeling, and likely feels he always will be, because of one of the most ludicrous trades and contracts in NFL history in Deshaun Watson. But he seems to like giving away his draft picks still, as you point out, as if they don't have much value.
In the end what happened in the draft may end up being one of the best things to ever happen to Sanders.
He is now a more sympathetic under dog to many, while previously he was being thought of as an entitled, arrogant rich boy, someone many were rooting against.
On the other hand, can you imagine the pressure on him if he was a top ten or even top round pick? With all the unrealistic expectations everyone, including his own father, were putting on him?
Now, maybe all of that hot air his dad had been filling him with his entire life, including in public, may be gone. And the pressure is off to some degree. He can just play football. As the expectations for any quarterback chosen in the 5th round are very low, by anyone's standards.
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21 hours ago, RyanC883 said:
Was a weird pick. Guy’s talent does not fit bills D scheme.
I think CB Strong is a nice addition also. Hamlin is a good backup, hopefully Bishop clicks this year because he looked lost last year from a mental standpoint in terms of processing plays.I agree about both Strong, great potential, and Hamlin as a solid backup--not the most fast athletic guy but seems to know what he is doing out there, a big plus for the difficult safety position. I also think Forrest is a nice addition as a backup and maybe as a starter if Bishop is not the real deal.
To me, Bishop may be the biggest question mark on the defense and maybe the most important X factor for the overall defensive improvement this year. With Hairston as the starter opposite Benford, if Bishop has improved his processing ability that you speak of then the defense can take a huge leap this year, with the improvements in the secondary alone.
So Bishop will be the player I am most focused on this off season and in early games.
And the high level defensive line additions will enhance the secondary's performance as well.
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No, and same for NFL.com in general, which is very weak in format/ease of finding things, and also in content, for such a huge and overall savvy company.
Part of the problem is that they feel they cannot be objective in their coverage, as they are basically covering themselves, while CBS Sports and ESPN can do that much better and do so.
Ditto for most of the NFL Channel TV shows, such as GMF, which is soo boring, so lacking in content they need to repeat significant portions of their show each day.
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Just sour grapes from Elam so I really do hope he is the starting corner for Dallas this year. Let's see him put his money where his mouth is.
I only wish the Bills played the girls this season, as it will be fun with or without elam, but more fun with the guy.
This coaching staff takes okay/decent CB prospects and turns them into starters, and sometimes stars. So I am not betting on Elam blossoming this year, playing for a much lesser team and organization. Despite his laughable comments.
The good thing about the big miss with him is that the Bills likely upped their preparation for this and last years' drafts considerably. Looks like, on paper at least, they may now have high end talent at most of the CB positions. We will see soon how it comes together on the field.
Bishop runs a 4.4, Hairston a 4.29, both hopefully replacing Hamlin (a 4.63 40) and Douglas (4.59). Should give every Bills' fan hope that they will see a very different secondary this year. (And Darrick Forrest ran a 4.4.)
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23 hours ago, SCBills said:
If we trade Epenesa, I’d certainly be open to bringing back Von.
Not sure if there’s much of a market for AJ at that cap hit, but if we can get a pick for him, given we have no comp picks lined up, and then slot back in Von as a rotational guy who can continue to work with Solomon and help mentor Jackson.. seems like it makes sense.
This would make no sense at all for the Bills to do.
Why would they get rid of a player who makes a bunch of good plays during the season, and overall is solid, if not very consistent or high level, for a player that made almost zero good plays last year?
You don't cut a decent player and then bring in a completely washed out, done player, wayyy past his prime--ever.
Miller is not miraculously going to become a viable NFL player again this off season let alone a good one.
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On 5/22/2025 at 1:16 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:
I can see us signing him for cheap during the summer with the expectation he may not get much playing time and just to help mentor the younger players
No way, as this is a very bad idea.
The Bills are in much better shape as far as pass rushers are concerned after this off season. They will now battle it out to see who starts, gets playing time, and who gets cut.
One of the main problems last year is that he was dead weight, almost never made an important play in the pass or running game, a wasted roster spot. The Bills clearly (eventually) saw that and it would not even cross their minds to let Miller take a vital roster spot again. I doubt any team will, unless desperate. Or very foolish.
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I have watched 30 or so episodes and found it okay sometimes, overall. But mainly liked it only when the Bills or something related was a topic.
But I did not understand an integral aspect of the show, the points awarded, and did not have any idea who the host was, what his expertise was as far as sports.
I really disliked that they never explained the points thing, what that meant, how/what the criteria were etcetera, in all of the shows I watched. Not once. Seems like a really bad thing to do, a way to turn off viewers, especially new ones giving the show a shot for the first time. Need to be aware of the audience and attempt to make things clear for them.
That really diminished the show for me, not having any real understanding what was actually going on. If you don't have basic clarity, you will not be able to build or maintain your audience--and so are on borrowed time.
Now that it is over, can someone explain that if they know? I assume they had a point system/criteria of some kind and that the host had extensive background in sports, other than as the host of this show-?
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9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I get it. You’re one of those guys that’s sticks your fingers in your ears and goes “La la la la la, I can’t hear you” if you don’t like what’s being said.
You’re the one making this about the Bills offense.
That should be your avatar when it comes to the Bills' offense, Beane's neglect of it, and the Bills' wide receivers.
Yes, and I apologize, as of course, that (see italics) was not your intention. Just sharing, with no intent to make this about the Bills' offense. Definitely not.
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Let me guess...
The Bills have no players in their list?
I am sure that is NOT why this is posted, why it is a thread.
Could have just cut to the chase in the OP for what will likely be the dominant line of thinking for a group of posters, and just posted some variation of this at the outset, to save a lot of time (and wasted space, repeating and repeating and repeating...):
I cannot believe how Beane neglects this offense...(fire him, fire him, fire him...)
leaves our superstar quarterback with almost no good weapons...
and almost nothing at wide receiver...
the Bills' offense may suck this coming year as much as they did last year (is that even possible?)...
Josh again will just be throwing balls down the field to phantom wide receivers, balls bouncing harmlessly on the turf, over and over...
Brandon Beane must be fired, and not just now, years ago...we need a time machine, as that way we can prevent the offensive collapse that wrecked the Bills last season...(Doc Brown, can you help us out?)
Poor, poor [MVP} Josh...
All the other AFC contenders have far superior offenses, talent, the Bills are not in the same league...
Most neglected, talentless offense in the NFL, maybe in NFL history...
2025: worst offense ever?
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Yuk
Was hoping this crap never happened.
Hope the Bills give them as little as possible, though I assume the producers will be allowed to get a bunch.
The Bills need no distractions this year, with maybe their best team in a while.
Hard Knocks is for teams coached by Rex Ryan, and the Bears, the Cowgirls, and the like.
Too bad.
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1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Could Von sign with the Ravens ? This could be bad news for the Bills.
In what way? As a player, during games, or in prep?
I think he retires this off season, as he will never start again the NFL, and may not even get a contract offer. If he does, likely a vet minimum- ?
He has been done for a while, just kept playing. He will absolutely not strike any fear in the Bills, as they know what he is not capable of now.
He should not continue to tarnish his legacy by trying to do something he can no longer do at an adequate level. About $200 million made in salary alone, so he should be able to take a few years off and enjoy his life.
Worst move of Brandon's tenure here, hated it the day it happened and still. A violation of the excellent processes he put in place, so it came back to haunt him.
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10 hours ago, MJS said:
Does anyone really have anything against Nantz? He is great. I can see complaining about Romo, but not Nantz. Not when there are so many that are so much worse than him. He has an iconic voice. Plus, he has great respect for Josh Allen as a person and a player. I'd take Nantz over almost anyone.
But yes, Romo has gone sour. I liked him the first couple of years, but he has really gotten bad.
I agree with all that you say about Nantz, one of the best.
But Romo, who started off pretty well, though not as well as people said, seems unprepared, like he does not know specifics about the teams and players he is covering. Sort of like how Herbstreet was when he began the Thursday night gig--unprepared, so then they talk too much to compensate and then the cliches come rapid fire for the same reason.
But the way Nantz and Romo gush over each other, their partner, is hard to watch, listen to, especially near the beginning and endings of the seasons, and during holidays.
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47 minutes ago, wjag said:
Sigmund Freud has entered the chat..
No, no, no, you've got it all wrong.
I just saw that in a dream
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My thoughts:
This season I predict that ol' Jimbo does not merely stare longingly into Tony Romo's eyes to tell him how much he loves him, but grabs him by the ears on national TV and kisses him hard on the lips for 30 seconds. At first Tony pretends to resist, but 10 seconds into hit he just gives in.
They are married by Christmas.
And become the first married couple to ever broadcast an NFL game together.
Nantz starts introducing his partner as My sweet little Cowgirl, and Romo blushes and giggles every time.
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5 hours ago, nosejob said:
I'm willing to bet right now, that Milton leads the Cowboys to a wild card, possibly threatens for the NFCE title and Jerry Jones will be waving his Johnson at the naysayers.
Note...not a Jones or Coboys fan, just wouldn't be surprised.
At first I did not get this, the Cowboys getting to the playoffs, or possibly winning the division!?
I was thinking Milton was a defensive player they got in free agency.
But then realized it was their backup QB! I had not read a lot of this thread, so that is likely why I didn't get it at first.
If Milton does start, and if he looks like he did against the Bills, and I had never seen a better rookie first game my entire life, then the Cowboys may actually have an outside chance to make the playoffs.
But with Jones' leadership, his obvious lack of ability as a GM and team leader, and his huge desire for the spotlight, any real leap this year is much less likely. But Milton may end up being his best move, a low risk shot worth taking. As Dak will never lead a Cowboys' team to consistent playoff victories or the promised land. A different kind of bad leader than Jones, but not a leader of men either. I cannot think of one supposedly good, long term starting quarterback who has looked more confused, out of touch, and out of his league when playing good teams, good defenses, than Prescott.
Thank our lucky stars the Bills have significantly better leaders at every level of their organization. This is a vital part of the Bills' success, and the opposite is true for the Cowboys.
Since 2020 - highest scoring offense and fewest points allowed defense
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Hope this, Brady's last year with us, is a great one.
In hist first full year as our OC, the most points in Bills' history, the most points in the NFL last year, only team to ever score 30 rushing and 30 passing touchdowns, Josh's first MVP............
And that stat you share, that I did not know previously. I knew they were superb in not turning the ball over, but not that specific stat.
Think of how well prepared an offense it must be, how fine tuned, how sharp in their skills and execution, to have no lost fumbles by any running back, wide receiver or tight end--in an entire season.