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Drey

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  1. That score definitely isn't possible in OT, even with the new rules.

     

    If the first team with the ball scores a touchdown, then it's game over. Both teams only get a chance to posess if the first team with the ball scores a field goal. If that happens, the second team gets a chance. If the second team scores a touchdown, then it's game over. If the second team scores a field goal, then regular sudden death rules ensue.

  2. The "defenseless receiver" rule is ONLY for an outstretched receiver, usually who doesn't catch the ball. Welker's play fit neither of those.

     

    Untrue. The defenition of "defenseless receiver" was updated in May. A receiver who has not clearly become a runner even if both feet are on the ground is now considered defenseless.

     

    Still don't agree with the call.

  3. buddy, please read this through carefully. he hasn't received one cent of the bonus money.

     

    jw

     

    Pal,

     

    I'm not talking about the $2M roster bonus. I'm talking about the signing bonus he got when he inked this contract extension that he's not going to honor now. If you're telling me that he didn't get that, then I will happily stop thinking of him as money-grubbing.

     

    I'm sticking with selfish, however.

  4. Where are all the multitudes of fans who classify all pro athletes as selfish, ego-maniac, money-grubbing mercenaries when Schobel is (allegedly) willfully leaving $40 million on the table to be closer to his family?

     

    Well, he's certainly being selfish in the way he's going about it. If you're going to retire, then just retire. Instead, he's just not going to show up?

     

    And until he pays back some of his bonus money, I'll classify him as money-grubbing.

  5. I just received a reply from one of the NCAA records staff:

     

    Andrey--

    Thanks for the note. It looks like it's just an oversight on our part and it's never been brought to our attention before this. I'm saving your e-mail and will use it to remind me to update the record on page 20 when I am editing that section.

     

    Thanks for your help and please let me know if you need anything else from our staff.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Jeff Williams

    Assistant Director of Statistics

    National Collegiate Athletic Association

    P.O. Box 6222

    Indianapolis, IN 46206-6222

    jswilliams@ncaa.org

  6. I don't know what the discrepancy is, either.

     

    From McKelvin's bio on the Bills website:

     

    "COLLEGE: ...Held the NCAA record with 3,817 total kick return yards before being broken by Kevin Robinson of Utah (3,829)..."

     

    According to the stats here (McKelvin), here (Tate), and here (Robinson), Tate is behind both McKelvin and Robinson for total combined yards from punt and kickoff returns.

     

    Edit:

     

    Also, in the same 2009 record book referenced by SEPatsFan (here), on page 58, Kevin Robinson is listed as 16th for career all purpose yards. If you total the entries for punt returns and kickoff returns on that line, it adds up to 3829 yards, clearly more than Brandon Tate.

     

    I've sent an email to the NCAA asking them to explain the discrepancy.

  7. Steely Dan's examples help emphasize the fact that people who solely coach special teams don't tend to move directly into offensive/defensive coordinator positions.

     

    It's certainly possible for them to move up the coaching ladder, but most tend to move into positional coaching jobs before moving up to an offensive/defensive coordinator position.

     

    Levy stands out as someone who went directly from coaching special teams to being a head coach without anything in between.

  8. I don't know. Why don't you look at the career history of Coordinators in the NFL. THere are plenty started with the special teams then moved up the ladder.

     

    Of the current offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL, there are 7 that were previously special teams coaches.

     

    2 of those (Brian VanGorder and Pat Shurmur) only coached special teams in college.

     

    4 of those (Dick Lebeau, Frank Bush, John Marshall, and Greg Williams) went from coaching special teams to being positional coaches (defensive backfield for Lebeau, linebackers for the other three) before becoming coordinators.

     

    Only 1 (Mike Nolan) went directly from special teams coach to a coordinator (defensive) position. Although it should be noted that he was also the linebackers coach while he was the special teams coach.

  9. The whole point of this extrapolation was to provide an argument against the logic that Brady's stat line was better - I am saying that it was not better, just bigger because he had more plays (thanks to drive ending penalties and dropped passes that honestly had nothing whatsoever to do with Trent). So to make that case, I show you what Trent's numbers would look like if projected across the same number of plays. I don't understand how you guys are missing the very short neural synapses required to allow one to comprehend this form of logic, but in considering how STUPID so many of you detractors are, and that is the only word for it, especially for WEO and Alphadawg, I can hardly say that I am surprised.

     

    I have to say, I found this thread to be quite amusing. I have to assume that you are simply putting on an act to get a rise out of people. The other option would just be sad.

     

    "This form of logic" that you refer to is fundamentally flawed. I assume you know this since, once again, I have to believe that you are joking. But just in case:

     

    Your extrapolation has no scientific basis at all. You are performing a linear extrapolation of each single statistic from a system that is highly non-linear in nature. What exactly is your basis for this? A couple of examples (Moorman passing, etc.) have already shown the flawed nature of this approach. Do touchdowns really scale linearly with number of attempts? Do completions? You can't use extrapolation to "provide a comparable context in which the QBs can be evaluated fairly", unless the extrapolation itself is valid. To do so is simply junk science.

     

    You have repeatedly ignored the fact that each quarterback had roughly the same number of possesions. Brady was able to do more with those chances. You argue that Trent wasn't able to because of reasons that had nothing to do with him (penaltes, etc.). So if Trent had double the number of chances (possessions) that Brady had, his performance (productivity) would have been better, making him the better quarterback. Surely you see the flaw in that argument.

     

    You are attempting to judge quarterback performance solely based on statistics. This is no better than a quarterback rating (which someone else has pointed out). Judging based on statistics alone is pretty silly. A quarterback's stats may be reported as his, but they're obviously not his alone. They depend on everyone and everything around him. Surely a quarterback's performance has to be judged beyond statistics alone. The ability to lead, and the ability to step up one's game when it matters the most. Brady was able to do this, Trent wasn't.

     

    Does that make Trent bad? No, he was actually quite good. Not better than Brady, though.

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