Mr. T
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Well, I'll give you reasons why we're all so pessimistic:
1. The Bills haven't made the postseason in a decade.
2. The Bills had 3 chances to get a QB of the future but took a running back when we already had a good running back.
3. The other 3 teams in the division have all made the postseason in the last 2 Years.
4. The other winning teams in the conference from last year all had some type of QB sensation
5. Trent is not a good QB and although for some reason he is the starting QB over the far better Ryan Fitzpatrick.
6. The Bills let go of T.O. when he was finally turning around.
7. Finally, our coach believes he can make a playoff caliber team with scrubs.
That is why we're so pessimistic
My response to your 7 reasons.
1. The law of averages is heavily on our side.
2. For every rookie phenom QB of the future there are 20 busts. Brady Quinn anyone?
3. What does that have to do with our team? When did jealousy become a part of being a fan of your team?
4. Aahhh, when was Sanchez a sensation last year?
5. Are you kidding me about Fitzpatrick? Trent may never be as good as we thought he might be a couple of years ago, but come on already, Fitzpatrick?
6. And T.O. has signed with who after being released? Not very much in demand is he?
7. Yeah, I'd much rather have a coach who stands up during OTAs and declares, "Ya know, we suck, so don't expect much, ok?"
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Yeah, you're right. For the past 11 years I decided to take that 1% chance that the Bills would be good just so I could say that I was right. What a glutton for pain I must be.
Look, I've been around the perverable pessimists for a long time. We all probable can recall that uncle, brother, father, or friend that had to constantly bad mouth the Bills. Even during the Super Bowl runs, I'd notice them concealing a smile when the Bills were on a role, but when the Super Bowls were done and the Bills came away as the loser they would proudly proclaim "See I told ya they sucked! They'll never when win!"
And what's with the high-minded comment? I don't believe I was refering to you personally, or was I?
And another thing. The original thread asked why some are so pessimistic. Nothing wrong with being honest and objective. Personnaly, I'm not expecting a great deal from the Bills this year. But, I won't write them completely off either. If they have a good year I'll simply enjoy the ride. If they have a bad year, even though I expect they might, I'll still be disappointed. Just like the last 11 years. I promise you I won't come back on here either way to proclaim "See I told ya so." I have a life that has a few more higher priorities.
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Whereas it's totally different for you pie-eyed optimists. If the one-percent chance comes true and we make the playoffs this year, not a single one of you will say "I told you so." You are all too high-minded and principled for that.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Yeah, you're right. For the past 11 years I decided to take that 1% chance that the Bills would be good just so I could say that I was right. What a glutton for pain I must be.
Look, I've been around the perverable pessimists for a long time. We all probable can recall that uncle, brother, father, or friend that had to constantly bad mouth the Bills. Even during the Super Bowl runs, I'd notice them concealing a smile when the Bills were on a role, but when the Super Bowls were done and the Bills came away as the loser they would proudly proclaim "See I told ya they sucked! They'll never when win!"
And what's with the high-minded comment? I don't believe I was refering to you personally, or was I?
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I'm just curious about the make up of some of the people on here. Is it in your genes that some of you are so pessimistic of the Bills? Is it so deeply ingrained in your souls that the outlook is so bad?
I know that most of us here have an optimistic outlook of the Bills, no matter how bleak things have looked for a while. The majority of us have read up and studied our team and know things haven't worked out the best for years. But we realize things can go better. How can things go worse?
We've upgraded our D and we have a man in charge who is known for making the most of an O. If we had upgraded our O in the draft instead of the D, I bet some of you would still find something to complain about.
Seriously though, I'm just curious, have some of you been so pessimistic all your life?
I'm not saying at all that you shouldn't post. I actually like reading your points of views at times because it's good to see different aspects and views of the game. But really, pessimism can go too far.
I'de much rather read optimistic posts from people who do their research (like a lot of people here do).
Thoughts?
I think many of the perpetual pessimists just choose to take the easy way out. They want to feel good no matter what the team does.
If the team does poorly, they will be the first to say, "See I told you." "If they would have done like I said they would be much better, but no one would listen to me." Takes the sting away from the team doing poorly.
Now, if the team does better than expected, they can go along and enjoy the ride. No one will likely remember that they bad mouthed the team before the season. And if someone does, who cares, because everyone else is too focused on enjoying the ride also.
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No way will Lynch start opening day, man.
He will start as the one of three rbs that play in the game.
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then our season will be doomed.
think of what your saying. LAST YEAR he was drafted in the second round and cut,didnt make the 53 man roster.
31 teams passed on him and he went on their practice squad.
now 6 months later he's had a prefound transformation and is going to be the bills starting QB,we are screwed if thats the case.
the whole NFL cannot be freaking wrong and a guy cannot change in a half a year.
Ummmmmm, sh.t happens. For example......Kurt Warner
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People like to say this, yet, I don't know any military people who live here. I know they do live here, but there are next to none that live near Richmond. They live near and on Fort Lee and Fort Pickett, but most of Richmond is not military.
Also, in the Tidewater area, I have two relatives that live in VA Beach. I don't know any military people. Neither does my mom or my aunt. I know they are here, but I would say the population is less than 10%. THey do live on base and things like that, but they aren't necessarily spread through the city like people try to say they are. Its not like San Diego around here.
The Southeast corner of Virginia is full of money. It's full of population. And as for traveling to Redskins, Ravens, or Carolina games.......I am a huge sports fan, and I hardly know anyone who does that. This area is kind of Redskins country, however, I would say 50% of fans in Viriginia are fans of the Skins, 5% Carolina, and 45% of other NFL teams.
This area is ripe for pro sports. The high school football talent in the Richmond area and especially Hampton Roads are one of the most fertile in the country. The CAA on the 1AA level is also off the hook. The CAA had a winning record agaisnt the ACC last year. This area loves football.
As much as it pains me to say it though, Daniel Snyder wouldn't let another NFL team move here. When the NBA considered Norfolk last time around, they would have struck gold. It will happen someday. It's just a shame that the Tidewater area doesn't come together and make one big city. As dumb as that sounds, it would help attract things like this.
Not heavily military? Let's see, Norfolk Naval Facility is second only to San Diego in size. Langley Air Force, and Air Combat Command Headquarters in Hampton. Oceana Naval Station, Fort Eustis just north of Hampton, Fort Monroe in Hampton. Being in Richmond I can see why it may seem like there are no military around but come down I-64 about 60 miles and you will feel differently.
Richmond will never see a team because it is too close to DC. However, the Hampton Roads Area, a radius of approx. 50 miles, has a population of over 2 million people.
As far as people traveling to watch NFL games, I've been to DC to watch the Redskins, been to Baltimore to watch the Ravens, and been to NC to watch the Panthers. Each time I was asked to go with other people who do this regularily.
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The problem with the Norfolk/VA Beach/Hampton Roads area is that most of the people aren't from here. They're military or prior military and already have team allegiances.
For example...I'm guessing that when you moved here you didn't switch allegience from the Bills to the Redskins/Ravens/Panthers. I know I'm still a Bills and Steelers fan. Same with college teams, ODU, NSU, W&M, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, North Carolina, or East Carolina...nope, We Are Penn State (still)
Your absolutely correct on both accounts. I'm still a big Bills fan, and the population around here is very heavily military. However, most military, active and retired, are usually great sports fans.
If this area got a legit pro team, aka NFL, I think they would sell most games out, simply because its NFL. A lot of people from this area travel to DC, Baltimore, and even Carolina to watch NFL games.
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Preferably around Williamsburg. The traffic around Norfolk is hell.
I live in Hampton, VA just 15 miles south of Williamsburg. The Redskins would do everything they could to keep this from ever happening.
I've been here for the past 11 years, retired from the Air Force. Grew up in Buffalo until joining the Air Force. This place doesn't feel at all like Buffalo as far as the support for pro sports. All we have are the Norfolk Admirals (minor league hockey), and Norfolk Tides (Triple A baseball). Neither gets a great deal of fan support. There certainly is the population to support a team, but something is difinitely missing. Maybe that would change if we ever got a pro team of any sort.
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What a difference between this piece of S..t and some of our own Bills. We switch to a 3-4 and you see Stroud, who has not played DE come to OTAs having lost weight so he can transition to a new position. We move Kelsey from DE, which he wasn't that good at, to OLB, he takes it in stride and will bust his ass to make the transition. Kyle Williams goes to the probowl as an alternate as a DT, we draft a natural NT, who will take some plays from Williams, yet we haven't heard Williams B word a bit.
We may not win as many games this year as we all want them to, but I really like the attitude of a lot of our players. In the immortal words of Darryl Talley, "This is a team dammit!"
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That's fine. He is a salary employee. He is also a unionized employee. Per the collective bargaining agreement, he is afforded the luxury to not come to voluntary workouts.
He is exercising his right to not show up. It's not that big of a deal. As a salary employee, if your boss says "You can come in on Saturday or Not, it's not mandatory, then you're going to tell me you're showing up on Saturday?"
Before I say anything, let me say I love Buffalo. I grew up there and most of my family still lives there. I love to come home and spend time with them and visit places I used to hang out. But it's the attitude that this guy (the poster) seems to have that I'm glad I'm not around anymore. Do the least amount of work that I need to do to get by. Don't ask, or expect me to do more. Take evry sick day that is coming to me, whether I'm sick or not. Quitin time is 4:30, don't expect me to be around at 4:31. Matter of fact I'll start shuttin down at 3:30 to me sure I'm out the door at 4:30. It's an attitude, or lazyness, that gets you nowhere. I guess that's why he has no problem with Lynch.
To answer the question, again, yeah, I would most likely show up on Saturday if asked. Doesn't get me anymore money, but most of the people I work with would also do it, and not complain.
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Yeah, but the NFL isn't your job, so your opinion on this means as much as you saying "If I were President of the U.S., I would......."
Whatever your job in real life, however, is your job. So, if you can honestly tell me you would show up on a Saturday when you're not getting paid and your boss says it's voluntary, then you are a better person than I.
Personally, yeah, I'd love to see the Bills get perfect attendance every year at these things. But when guys don't show up, it doesn't take me too long to figure out why, and I don't worry about what this says about their character or their dedication to the team.
OK, let's clarify something. If I'm an hourly employee, and I'm asked to come to work, without pay, I don't come to work. In my case, and Marshawn's, we are salaried. I'm paid the same amount each year, whether I work 14 hours a day, or 8 hours. If I choose to come in on a Saturday every now and than, my pay stays the same.
Marshawn gets paid the same whether he shows up or not. Don't make this a pay issue, it's not. It's about being commited, or not being commited to his profession.
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Well, you're just a saint aren't you. Unfortunately you're int he minority. I would not go in if it wasn't manditory, because my job is my source of income, and my life outside of work is my enjoyment. I earn my money by working hard while I am at work, and don't feel the need to show up on random Saturdays unpaid just to prove my loyality.
And, if you would have read any of this thread, you would realize I am not a Lynch fan. I actually really dislike the guy. But his absense from VOLUNTARY mini-camp isn't on the list of reasons why I dislike him.
Maybe it gives you some satisfaction to believe in the whole "52 bigger than 1" and "every guy on this team would play for free, because they love the game", but the reality is, this is their job.
Reggie Wayne never goes to voluntary workouts in Indy, do you think he'll be out of the league in a few years because of it?
If Lynch is gone in 2 years and broke, it won't be because he didn't show up to voluntary workouts.
"If Lynch is gone in 2 years and broke, it won't be because he didn't show up to voluntary workouts."
That's where we don't agree, I do believe it will be very much a major reason why he could possibly be out of the league. It's about a lack of commitment to giving his best, all the time. All he has to do is look at what just happened to Lendale White.
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Obviously, it would be great if he came in early but it still doesn't change the fact it is voluntary. Now how Gailey and his staff views this is an entirely different thing. But for as fans, why should we care? It's ultimately Gailey's decision. Additionally, guess what happens if Lynch gets hurt seriously in voluntary OTAs like Jackson of the Eagles yesterday? They reach an injury settlement, cut the guy, and Lynch is done with the NFL.
So, let's see if I get this right. A player should sit out of OTAs because he might get hurt, and his career would come to a screeching halt. Well, we better not have any of them play preseason games because there is even a greater chance of getting hurt in those games. And when the season starts, and bodies are really flying around we better make sure our best players stay on the side lines where it is safe. Bottom line, these players, especially the top ones, are paid more in a single season than most of us would make in a lifetime. Don't let them risk getting paid more than they already have by doing something as risky as practiceing in shorts, without pads.
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If your boss said, "you don't have to come in on Saturday, but if you want to you can...." I'm sure you would just show up with the pride of your job in mind ...right?
How much these guys are paid is irrelevant. They have a collective bargaining agreement in place which affords them the luxury to stay away from the majority of Spring Football.
To answer your question. Yes, I would show up, if I felt it would help the company be successful. And I have "voluntarily" worked on some holidays when I did not have to. It's called being commited to your profession. Some people are still "strange" in that way.
When Marshawn is out of the league, and broke, he'll likely look back with regret and wish he had done things differently. But, he'll feel better because you'll be there for him, right?
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As sad as it is for some of you to believe it, Lynch is only a year short of getting a degree from one of the best universities in the country. I doubt Applebee's is in his future. But thank god, he finally showed up to VOLUNTARY offseason drills.
I don't get people that excuse an absence by calling this a "Voluntary" offseason drill, when the vast majority of players are attending. As far as I'm concerned it's more about commitment or not. Players who are paid as much as these players are and still choose to not attend a "voluntary" event are demonstrating a clear lack of commitment.
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Because Campbell is a much better talent than what is on this roster.
And you base that on what? Stats? Have you watched him play on a regular basis? I have, and he offers the Bills NOTHING that we already don't have. Lacks touch, lacks presence in the pocket, lacks quick decisions, lacks leadership. This in no way suggests that I think any of our current QBs are better, but Campbell is just more of the same.
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Folks, I live in Virginia where the Redskins are on every week. I still am a die hard Bills fan and always will be. I've watched Campbell play since he became a starter. I've watched Edwards, and painfully watched Fritz anytime a Bills game is aired down here. I'm here to tell ya Campbell is better than Fritz, but is absolutely no better than Edwards. I don't care what his stats from last year may "suggest". The Redskins got McNabb because they know Campbell offers them nothing more than what he has shown already, and that ain't much.
Bottom line as far as I'm concerned is if we want the Bills to stay where they are at and get no better than Campbell is the right choice. If we want our team to get better than we need someone better than Campbell, Edwards, and Fritz. I purposefully left Brohm out because he is the only one I haven't seen play, so the jury is still out on him.
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Thank you.
We finally have a headcoach that doesn't tip his hand to the opponents. It's what every coach in the league does. Just like last week, there was talk of TO possibly not playing. Now you get, Fitzy may start. As small and insignificant of an advantage as it may be, Perry is at least trying to be a real head coach.
Once again, this mindset that this week's game is anything more than an exhibition game to close out the end of a miserable season is comical. The reality is the only one who benefits, if any, is Fewell. I guess he can say that he took a terrible team and somehow managed a .500 record of the games he coached. How does that help this team prepare for next season in answering one of the most important issues that MUST be addressed. Does Brohm offer ANY promise, or is he just another flake no better then what we already have?
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Exactly.
In addition to that, he would probably be doing Brohm a favor by not starting him and getting his confidence destroyed and injured behind the Bills OL.
Come on!!
If people are that concerned about this kid's confidence that he might see his self-esteem hurt in a meaningless game at the tail end of season, than he should NEVER play in an NFL game. Play him, see if he has anything to build upon. Keeping into perspective that he is playing behind a bad line, within a bad system.
And I disagree also that Fewell owes nothing to the next regime. The future of the Bills is bigger than whether Fewell wins another game and pads his resume.
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Any Regime with half a brain would do the same thing. The more uncertainty you can give the other team, the better. Regardless of how good or bad the other options might be, if you can keep the other team guessing even a little bit, the better off you are.
The thing that amazes me is the level of smarts the people who post here has sunk too. Good God!, think a little bit beore posting!!
You are kidding, right? Let's throw the Falcons a curve ball and keep em guessing on whether Fitzpatrick or Brohm will be starting? I'm sure this is keeping their defensive coordinator up ALL night!
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The Bills have really sunk to an unbelievable level. Why is Fitzpatrick a gametime decision?
1. He stinks when healthy, so why even consider playing him when he is dinged.
2. The Bills have nothing to play for other than finishing out the season.
3. Fewell is not coming back as head coach next year, so give it up Perry.
4. Brohm is healthy, so why is there any other option. If he does poorly the Bills can, and will, spin it that he was put in a bad
position - oline devastated, new to the system, timing with wr.
Like many times this year, I find my self saying - "I just don't get it!"
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I think all us fans have come to the clear conclusion that this season is "OVER". It's just a matter of how bad it will be. I also think that most of us would rather it be a complete disaster, instead of another sub-par year. My concern at this point is there are so many terrible teams right now that we can finish with 4 or 5 wins and still have a draft position similiar to the last few years.
I've always been a quiet supporter of Trent Edwards and have been waiting for him to prove all his critics wrong. I'm convinced that the hit he took last year at Arizona, and terrible coaching have destroyed his confidence to a point where he won't recover. He is JP part #2. Time to start Fitspatrick and let him play it out the rest of the way. I'd hate to see Trent "turn it around" and play just good enough to win 4 or 5 more games. The only solution for this team is to draft the next franchise QB high in the draft next year. For that to having any chance of happening the Modrak, Guy, Jauron and probably Brandon need to be out of the picture.
I'd also love to see this years roster blown up and we trade some of the few "underachieving" tradeable players for the best draft picks we can get. Evans - gone, maybe for a 2nd rounder (forget getting a 1st round, it just won't happen). Lynch or Jackson - gone, maybe a third or fourth rounder (anything higher won't happen). Stroud - gone, maybe a 3rd rounder. He has played very well this year but he is getting older and only has so much tread left. Package a couple of these picks next year and either pick up a top notch left tackle by way of trade, or a higher draft choice.
Some of you may feel these are absurd suggestions, but this team is going nowhere the way they are now. Drastic times require drastic measures. I'm sick of less than average football, and that was the past three years. Now we simply stink!
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Saw it and felt exactly the same.
Mr. Vick, He is ....the most interesting man in the world
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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When he was born his momma slapped his uncle.
He passed all of his high school classes without ever stepping into a classroom.
He once told a friend what a Hokie really was, than he killed it.
While in jail he once read an entire readers digest, without ever learning to read.
For his birthday he charged admission for others to attend and be shot, and they came.
He is....the most interesting man in the world.
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