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Forget about the word "collusion" for a minute. Does it strike you as a pattern that so many people working for and with Trump were found guilty of crimes that involved Russia? No other administration had anything resembling this. Since no one has chosen to answer, why do you believe Trump refused to have a translator when he spoke with Putin? To my knowledge that has never happened before. Why can't any of you come up with a reasonable explanation for this? Why can't any of you answer any direct questions?

I wonder why you folks always leave out https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/mueller-i-did-not-clear-trump-of-obstruction-of-justice Mueller found plenty. The issue was whether or not a sitting President could be charged.

You're of the belief that Ukraine started the war? You understand Putin is a dictator, right?

https://www.newsweek.com/allen-weisselberg-flip-donald-trump-lawyers-1791411 "It can mean one of two things. Number one, the case is over and doesn't need lawyers anymore, they were just representing them on that one case," Agnifilo said. "Or, more likely, is there was this pressure campaign put on him saying while he's in Rikers, 'do you like being there? Because we're about to bring other charges.'

Strawmen? Multiple Trump employees found guilty for interactions with Russia. Coincidences all? BTW, do you agree with your beloved Trump that those that attacked the Capitol are heroes?

Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this?

If you don't understand that Putin wanted Trump to win, you're a simpleton. More likely, you just refuse to admit it because then you would have to face up to reality. Why do you believe Trump refused to have an American translator with him when he spoke to Putin? Why do you believe Tucker Carlson is regularly featured on Putin State TV in Russia? More coincidences? You can't answer these questions and you can't dispute them. Prove me wrong.

How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern? So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected? There is no disputing that he did.

You act blissfully unaware of connections between Trump and Russia, even though we all know you are aware. 4 of the people cited worked for Trump and were found guilty in issues that involved Russia. It takes longer to get the Don than the criminals who work for the Don.

Empty? Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was dismissed from his position and later pled guilty to making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.[174][175] Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[179] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[180][181] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[182][183] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[184] in February 2018. George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[185] Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[186] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[187] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[188] Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer with the global law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, he pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement to investigators while answering questions about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[189]

Yeah, I knew you couldn't state that without vomiting.

Just to be clear, are you saying Trump is a man of integrity?

A Trump supporter lecturing about integrity. Good stuff.

You won't bet even-up. I should have known I was wasting my time with a cult member. Meanwhile, last night on Hannity, Trump confessed to perhaps his biggest crime and even gave a new motive for the crime. Big surprise. It's to blackmail the government in order to get 18 million dollars. Hannity tried to lead him away from the cliff, but the idiot jumps and gives the Feds more evidence. The country would be in even worse danger if Trump wasn't such a moron.

I never offered those odds in a bet to you or anyone else. It was only my feelings on likelihood. My point, and you know it, is that Trump will be convicted of a felony. That's what I'm offering as a bet directly to you. If you're not confident in your position, so be it. If you truly believe it's all bull and he's not guilty, one has no choice but to wonder why you won't back your position. Methinks you don't have any confidence, at all. I'm operating under the assumption that you're not a moron and that you really understand that Trump is a gent who has committed many felonies, among all the stuff swirling around him. That's why, backed into a corner, you're scared. Really? How would one report this transaction in order to make it legal, when the check wasn't personal? It came from the Trump Organization. At least you understand that Trump is lying when he proclaims that it never happened.

Since I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea. The only reason there is a perception that there is hesitation is because a fellow incapable of telling truth said it would happen last Tuesday.

Nice try. The bet is whether he gets one felony conviction from at least one of the three cases. I understand why you feel the need to change the bet. So does everyone else, here. I offered you a bet. If you don't feel comfortable taking it, that's fine. You can't bet this stuff in Vegas. You can bet it elsewhere. https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/specials/politics/20230321-donald-trump-indictment-odds-trump-given-92pp-chance-to-be-indicted-in-manhattan

You said the same thing I did. It's about whether the payout was legal ore not.

$100? https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/trump-shares-pic-holding-baseball-bat-near-das-head/

Tourism update https://www.law360.com/compliance/articles/1589920

If you're scared to make an even-up bet, I understand. By asking for 100-1 odds, you're showing your fear of what's going to happen. I'm betting that a President of the United is going to be convicted of a crime. As far as I know, that's something that has never happened, so if anyone should be getting 100-1, it should be me, but I don't care about the enormous odds against it happening and willing to give you a break and bet 1-1. You don't have the courage to do so. Those are the facts.

The details of the case aren't about whether sex occurred. The point of the case is whether Trump committed a crime by giving her $130,000. Again, I don't really care about it other than if he did commit a crime, he should be convicted of it. All that really matters are the federal case and the state case in Georgia. Convictions in those would be clear-cut felonies and certain jail time. I didn't think you'd understand it, but I took a shot. I don't care who Trump stuck it into. That's between him and Melania. Still avoiding the part about Trump's threats of violence against Bragg. I understand.

You still don't understand? I said my concern was threats made against Bragg by Trump, in regards to that case. I'm betting he's convicted. That's the point of the thread. Doc chickened out of betting against me after huffing and puffing. You have the option to take my bet, if you'd like. No. I asked someone's opinion about whether the sex occurred. I was looking for a bet on whether Trump gets a conviction.

It seems that you're the one unable to decipher my point. I didn't state what the Bragg case is about. I was asked why I was concerned about it. I replied because of Trump's threats of violence against Bragg. The other 2 cases against Trump are the ones that matter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-suggests-n-y-indictment-could-bring-death-and-destruction-1411acf3?st=s4owedzdrwmv33o