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    Draft Analysis - We're All Debi from Depew

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    Posted · Edited by White Linen

    4 hours ago, Success said:

    Not to disparage anyone here - but I always crack a smile when I see someone complain about a pick because of where they had that player on "their board."

     

    I'm always kind of curious, too:  how did they put their board together?  Did they scour film of a huge # of collegiate players, all day, every day of the year?  Did they go to games and workouts?  Did they rigorously compare players at various positions with others who spent as much time as them watching and evaluating?

     

    Because those are the things Beane & our scouts do.  I have a hunch that most here look at mocks for a few months, and check some youtube on only the top players - and that's about it.

     

     

    I'll add that you also have to factor in the players that transferred through the portal, making the evaluation even more difficult and further disqualifying amateurs.

     

     

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    Speed: I do the math here

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    Posted · Edited by White Linen

    1 hour ago, mrags said:

    Is that like 4.61 on almost as fast as 4.3 in the 40? If it’s only 8 feet then it’s more like 4.61 is almost as fast as 4.35. Or somewhere in there. I’m not a mathematician like the OP or you apparently. 
     

    but I do know that 10 feet is a significant distance in a race as short as 40 yards. 

     

    That's the first truth you've said in this thread.  Math isn't your thing.

     

     

    Speed: I do the math here

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    5 hours ago, mrags said:

    Or see it with our own eyes 

     

    you said it yourself. 3 yards. And then said it didnt sound like it was that much. That’s almost 10 freaking feet. That’s 1.5 people you’re talking about. I’d say that’s a huge difference 

     

    You think 3 yards is almost 10 feet?

    Did we do enough at wide receiver?

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    37 minutes ago, SCBills said:

    Potentially .. maybe seems that way because so many went early. 
     

    We got Gabe Davis in the 4th and Khalil Shakir in the 5th in deep WR classes as well.  Are there those guys on Day 3 this year?  Well see..

     

    It got thin quick, IMO.  When KC and Carolina picked, I was already questioning where this amazing depth was.  

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    1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    No, I guess that I didn’t think that needed to be said. Draft evaluators use a top 500 or whatever to go through. That’s established through collective scouting. 

     

    And I didn't think I'd have to address a question like, do I think each team watches 16,000 players individually.

     

    So we agree, professionals create the base for amateurs to pretend they are equal to them.

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    4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Are you suggesting that NFL teams evaluate 16,000 players 😂??

     

    Yes, as a collective and thats how the information gets to Kiper, Gunner, etc.  

     

    Are you suggesting that that Gunner is getting this information from his resources, without the baseline built by the pro's? 😯

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    7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    What do you mean by the foundations the professionals built for me? I know two NFL scouts I speak to occasionally but they don't build my board for me. I watch the tape and do my evaluations myself. 

     

    I read there's over 16,000 players eligible to be drafted. 256 will be selected.  

     

    Are you suggesting you build your board from scratch by watching hours of tape on 16,000 players?  Not using any assistance from pre-rankings presenting, say, the top 300 that are truly prospects?

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    6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Yea that isn't me. I'm sorry it isn't. 

     

    You're not using the foundation the professionals built for you?  

    7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    One poster (currently) that I’m suggesting is doing the same level of research (minus the 1st hand information part). I’m not speaking from what I think but rather what I know. Is there a difference in information between an NfL team and amateur scouts? Of course. Is the gap as wide as people think? Nowhere near

     

    Because the gap is even wider than people think.

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    47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    No I don't, I know exactly what I am. An amateur. That doesn't mean I can't ever have an opinion that is right over a professional. 

     

    The only reason you have an opinion is because the professionals put the information together for you.  If you went at it alone, you'd know exactly what you are.

     

    My wife doesn't watch football and would have every chance to win our fantasy league as anyone.  The website gives the next best player available.  If she didn't have that or couldn't buy a magazine, she would draft Knox 1st overall.  That's you.  

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    33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Yep the 2018 Quarterback class was not my finest hour. For sure. But the "oh anyone who gets something right that GMs get wrong is just throwing ***** at the wall and getting some to stick" is a way of deflecting any criticism from the professionals who sometimes despite all their information make bad choices because a) they misevaluate; b) they convince themselves that what they want to be the case is the case when they have roster holes. 

     

    This post is so self aggrandising and shocking.  You actually think you're more than a fan that likes putting time into the draft as a hobby.  

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    2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

    Well...there is no guarantee they are right either.

     

    Plenty of round 4 WRs end up as really good players that would have been taken in the first round of there was a "do over" 4 years later.

     

    I guess we would have to revisit it in 4 years to know, just like we would any pick really.

     

    That wasn't the question.

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