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So if I'm reading it right, looks like Bills have about $70m in cash expense for 2013. That leaves at least another $50m to spend if cash to cap is still being used.
That's what I get. They have us at $103M - $30M prorated bonuses giving us about $73M in cash expenses. So with a cap of $123M, yeah, about $50M to spend.
Before anyone goes bananas, remember that's cash to cap accounting. Watch how fast it goes...
Last year's #8 pick got a $7.6M signing bonus with a base salary for a total hit of $8M
Our 2nd round pick with get about a $2M signing bonus with a base salary for a total hit of around $2.5M
There will be a slight increase this year and then factor in all the other draft picks.
So estimate we will need to spend about $15M just on draft picks. Subtract that from our $50M and we are left with $35M.
Now let's say we re-sign both Byrd and Levitre. Say we get Byrd at 5yrs $35M and Levitre at 6yrs $40M (guessing). Both will want guarantees of about $15-$18M with a signing bonus of at least $10M. Even with back-loaded contracts that only pay $1M each this season, combine that with their $10M signing bonuses and it adds up to $22M.
So that's a generous estimate IMO but subtract that from $35M and we are quickly left with only $13M to spend. And we haven't signed any outside free agents yet.
Could we land a FA like Bowe or Jennings or Kruger? Possible but not likely. I'd say lower tier FAs like Dustin Keller and Mike DeVito are much more realistic. (that is, if we re-sign both Levitre and Byrd - and of course we may not be done cutting everyone yet)
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You can't please some of the people any of the time.
lol so true, some are just happiest when complaining. People were wondering who the next whipping boy will be after Kelsey? Here's your answer!
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Last day to tag players is Monday March 4th. Expect to get a text soon that says "The Buffalo Bills have applied the franchise tag designation to FS Jarius Byrd. Reply HELP for help, STOP to cancel-Msg&data rates may apply"
Even under the tag I still think they will be able to get a long term deal done, but it will be necessary for insurance & leverage.
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The Bills did not use cash to the cap last year like they promised.
"Cash to cap" is just a type of accounting methodology, it doesn't have anything to do with spending to the cap limit.
If the Bills must overpay, then do it.
Besides, the Bills can always restructure his contract in the future.
It takes both sides to restructure a deal - if it were as simple as you make it sound, teams would be throwing money around much more recklessly than they do now.
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I think Arizona is a lock to take a QB. They are currently wasting the prime years of their All-Pro receiver's career because they don't have anyone to get him the ball.
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forum explosion incoming
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12 days 20 hours till Fitz's $3M roster bonus kicks in tick tock tick tock....
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A game or two more and we make the playoffs. A non record breaking defense and we make the playoffs.
Yes, let's keep giving up on QB's in hopes we get the next Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady. Oh wait, none of those guys made the Superbowl. I guess they aren't worth it either, huh?
Our team is awful all around. The better we play and are seen as a franchise, more players will not hate coming here. But let's get the next Trent Edwards and win two games next year, then start it all over after 3 years.
Do you guys seriously have faith in the Bill's drafting choices? It's like you think Nix is gonna find the next superstar, yet you bash him in every other thread. The problem at OBD is the same at TBD. You all hope we'll find the next Brees who can carry an awful defense. Except only Brees and Brady have had defenses as bad as ours in the history in the NFL, that's 2 guys out of how many ever?
But yeah, Nix will find the guy, cut RF.
I'm sold!! EXTEND FITZ NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! You convinced me with the arm strength argument.
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The bottom line here, and the biggest mystery is why is Buddy Nix still the GM? Not only did he sign Fitz to this disastrous contract extension, but other then that mess, a couple cast offs that nobody wanted and a 7th round pick who had no chance of being a franchise quarterback, he has completely ignored the QB position and really screwed this team for years to come.
This may be hard to understand, what with hindsight being 20/20 and all, but there was actually a time when Fitz was expected to be our franchise QB. The year was 2011, and we were fresh off a victory over the Eagles and had just raised our record to 4-1. The fans affectionately called him "The Amish Rifle," and had a cute way of purposely mispronouncing his last name as Fitzgerald or Fitzgibbons (a nod and a wink to how unknown he was). There was a huge clamor from the fans to "RE-SIGN FITZ NOW," and even our favorite contrarian Jerry Sullivan got on board with that idea.
So he was re-signed, the wheels quickly fell off, and a bunch of "know it all/I told you so" posters came out of the woodwork to tell us how good they are at picking last week's lottery numbers. I was going to type "The End," but the story is not over yet.
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Also, he doesn't get pancaked against everyone not named Coastal Carolina.
See, I don't think that's much of a highlight reel. That may not be Coastal Carolina, but I saw Tennessee Tech, Fresno State, Washington State and Arizona State in that video. Not exactly powerhouses - and incidentally the only 4 teams he managed to get a sack against. Ok, Maybin comparisons are way too extreme, but this guy does scare me.
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Reading the first 2-3 pages of this thread is pretty funny.
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Kind of surprising to me, I thought we were getting good value at that price.
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Now people are starting to claim Fitz has a strong downfield throwing arm. I think this board started drinking too early today...
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Was all 24 for injury and skill, or just injury?
That I don't know for certain, I just assumed both.
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He will only get the parts of his guaranteed money that hasn't been paid to him yet(hard to figure exactly how much that is).
We already paid him $21M out of the $24M we guaranteed him, so he is getting $3M from us regardless if he is cut (unless he restructures his deal of course).
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DeCastro can't carry Warmack's jock. The difference is that noticeable. He'll be a perennial All Pro.
Pshhh. Just an All Pro?? Decastro was a lock for the Hall of Fame! (Seriously, posters were saying that last year and arguing we should take him in the first round)
I see this discussion every year. Warmack will not be taken in the top 10. The proof is in history - GMs (not the talking heads or draftniks) simply do not put a premium on guards, that's why there hasn't been one selected higher than 17th in the last 10 years. It's more efficient to grab a tackle in the 2nd or 3rd round and slide him over to guard if you need one badly.
Don't take my word for it though, tag this post and we'll review it after the draft!
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They may very well be right as there is nobody in the draft who plays his position any better than Chance Warmack. He is John Hannah, Larry Allen, Dermonti Dawson, Larry Little, Gene Upshaw, and Joe DeLamielleure all rolled into one.
That would make him the greatest guard to come out of college since David DeCastro!
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Chandler is injured and will miss lot of time next season
Ugh I didn't realize his injury was that bad.
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What's the point of keeping Fitz, much less at his current salary? Just in case Jackson or a rookie struggle and they lose games? As if Fitz and winning 37% of his starts is a better option?
How the heck are we ever going to beat KC and Cleveland without Fitz??? DOOMED
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yeah we gain no cap space by cutting him. Sure we don't pay him out of pocket, but if you would of taken the time to take your own advice and read my post I explained it pretty well.
Explained it pretty well?
there is no reason to cut him. he saves nothing
Wrong. We've mentioned the cash savings. NoSaint even brought up future cap problems.
if we cut him we have to pursue another FA QB which will suck $3-$5 million from our cap space.
Wrong. We don't have to pursue anyone and spend $3-$5 million. We might have 2 rookies and a 6 year veteran to fall back on. You may not like Jax, but don't say we have to get a FA. 6-10 with a FA and 5-11 with Jax isn't any different.
if he does get cut it won't be until we have enough QB's on the roster.
Wrong. If he gets cut, it will be before his $3MM roster bonus is due March 12th. We ain't paying him $3MM for training camp.
if they were going to cut Fitz just to save the coin they would of done it already
Wrong. If they are trying to restructure him right now (highly likely) they wouldn't have cut him already.
I'm going to need a lot more explaining before I believe "there is no reason to cut him. he saves nothing," it simply isn't true. How's that for comprehension?
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Have YOU thought about what the logical path forwatd is if fitz gets cut prior to march 3rd? Jax is your qb... period. He's worse than if fitz were playing with a patch on one eye and his right hand pinned to his waist. If I'm an agent, I'm ringin the bills phone til it burns up... cuz I got a starting qb in my free agent stable that I'll let you rent for a year or two. I got leinart, hoyer, quinn, grossman (yeah, a superbowl qb), tebow, moore, mccown, gradkowski, painter. You mame him, i got him in my free agent junk yard. He'll cost 50% more than he'd sign for a yeam that has a stable of somewhat competent qbs... but that's only cuz you got s#it at qb and i know he's only gonna be there a year cuz you are drafting a qb in april for 2014... and heck your draftee may start at some point in 2013. So... a rex grossman or matt leinart are gonna cost ya $4m/yr. Guaranteed. Oh, sorry... these guys gotta get paid for starting. It aint my problem you cut fitz knowing your cap hit was 10m if you kept him or 10m if you cut him. So , it aint my problem you have to tack an extra 4m to your cap to pay for my rent a qb. And it aint my problem that with jax on board you are carrying a salary of $16m on the cap for qbs... not counting your rookie qb... oh, and speaking of which, every team in the league knows you got s#it at qb with no fitz zn just jax and rental... so you better grab your qb at #8 cuz if you don't, teams are gonna be jumping in front of you in the next 2 rounds to grab their qb knowing you want to draft one if you haven't taken him on rd 1. Good luck drafting your franchise guy in round 4. But... look on the bright side... he won't count much against the cap. Checkmate!!!
Let me get this straight. You think keeping Fitz on the roster will prevent teams from gouging us for their garbage QBs? And if we cut Fitz the price will go up 50%? And you are the guy claiming to be one of the logical and sane posters?
Edit: And as NoSaint said, Jackson is not that much of a downgrade as you try to make him out to be.
Edit #2: Countdown - Fitz has 19 days 23 hours to restructure.
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Yeah. I mean that is Derrick Dockery territory. NO WAY the Bills would ever spend so much on a LG.
Except that they have in the past.
I know, that's what scares me!
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there is no reason to cut him. he saves nothing
Do people on this board even read the threads? Seriously?
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Sounds like posturing on the team's behalf. Basically telling the player and agent that they'll go that route if they can't make a deal IMO.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe not even directly tell the player, but leak it to the media. Then say "We have not publicly stated how we intend to use our franchise tag."
As for Levitre. It's time to pony up a contract similar to Logan Mankins: 6 years / 51 million, with $20 million guaranteed, last 5 years with 250k workout bonuses.
$51MM for Levitre??? You are on crazy pills lol
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I didn't include it. Have the Bills requested that $9.8M? I didn't hear anything unless I missed it. I believe they have until 2 weeks before the season starts to request it...which would have been yesterday.