3rdand12
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I agree with this. Certainly no Keuchly, but McD is no dummy. I'm sure he knows Edmunds is not the same guy as Keuchly. And he knows Edmunds is the classic, old-school Mike. What I think is going on with McDermott is that he sees that Edmunds is a special physical player (not unlike Allen in the sense that Josh, too, is a special physical player), and McDermott's sense is that he can a build a defense in which Edmunds can have the kind of impact, although in different ways, that Keuchly has had. That is, in the same way McD looked at Keuchly and thought "I can win with that guy," McD looked at Edmunds and told Beane "I want that guy." Edmunds is still learning and growing, physcially, and McDermott is still figuring out exactly how to play Edmunds.
If McD was correct, Edmunds' best days are still ahead of him. I expect the Bills will extend him after they extend Allen.
thIs feels like thoughtful perspective on the McD/ Edmunds relationship.
Both are still learning their craft
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Maybe the bye gave him a chance to heal his shoulder.
Something changed his game day performance more recently.
Both Klein and Tremaine are playing faster and efficiently. Do not care why.
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I thought we ran a lot more early on in the season. Slants & crossers.
Maybe they realized it’s successful and are just looking for other things to be successful with and then they can pull this back out come playoff time if the opportunity arises?
you have good insight methinks.
This guy is a great fit in the Bills Offense. and proved it by now
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I think what we are seeing now is basically two types of defense:1) ultra aggressive, cover zero, all out blitzes.
2) Soft zone, giving us all the short underneath stuff.
Re the latter, if we can run the ball well, we will eat up the other side with easy runs and 7-yard curls and dump offs. That’s basically what we did against the Chargers. I just think it is painful for Josh to check down and take those little Gains.
agreed
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Not a huge fan of your music but props to you for landing Megan Fox. That being said, are you willing to pay 8 to 15 mil for a guy who is susceptible to injury due to his size and aggressive style. I honestly am not. We can pick up another LB in the draft for the long term and ride out the season with Klein and Milano (if available). Let’s concentrate a bit on run stuffers and QB pressure can we?
I find it difficult to make business decisions before the attempt to negotiate has even begun.
No one is writing mr Milano a contract during the season. so why pester over this so ?
Matt Milano has changed games.when playing for the Bills.
He also learned from mistakes and developed his craft. Heck of a football player who give McFrazier some nice options with him on the field.Best answer
Both
and draft.
to the OPthey are different types of LB who excel at different roles
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2015: Frank Cignetti, St Louis Rams OC, manages to make both Nick Foles and Case Keenum look like crap as QB. Fired and replaced by Rob Boras, .
2016: As LA Rams OC, Rob Boras renders an ineffective offense totally impotent with Case Keenum and Jared Goff, who look quite inept. Meanwhile Foles contemplates retirement and retreats to play backup QB in KC under Andy Reid.
2017: Case Keenum and Vikes defeat N'Orleans in division round and contend for NFC Championship vs. Nick Foles and Philadelphia Eagles. Foles leads Eagles to SB win
Meanwhile under Sean McVay, Goff and LA Rams go 11-5 and reach playoffs
2018: Goff and LA Rams win NFC championship and play in Superbowl
Let's count: that's not one, not two, but THREE different QB who went straight to the top of the league after leaving Rob Boras in their rear-view mirror.
If ever there were a clearer example of "It's not us, it's YOU" in the effect of an offensive coordinator on 3 different QB .....I can't think of one.
Meanwhile, Sean McDermott hires Rob Boras to be the TE coach of the Buffalo Bills (hired before Dennison), where he outlasts the first OC he is hired to work with and is still here.
Now maybe Rob Boras is a great TE coach. He was a TE coach for 10 years before becoming the Rams OC. Maybe he has a knack for it and was just out of his depth as OC.
But when we so consistently seem to lack decent TE play from different players drafted in different rounds with different expectations, and the TE coach is a guy who made 3 different QB who had success after they left him look crap, I'm like "Hmmmmm, could the TE coach have something to do with this?"
Thanks for the bit of history Hap
Your case, as presented sure does have Boras looking questionable. Unless Daboll is keeping a close eye on him.
which sounds like the smart thing to do.
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Why do we add to a position of strength? We have Diggs, Beasley, and Davis of Brown is out for a couple of weeks. Makes zero sense. Roberts is an emergency guy and one of the best returners so he has a duel role. This is not even close to a position we need at all nor need to let another go to pick him up. It’s funny how many people the moment someone goes on waivers, “let’s pick him up”.
We also might have Hodgins practicing who could maybe get some time before the end of the year. Maybe not, but this is not a position, we need to bring in an 8 year veteran.
check you down as a maybe ?
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Do you have particular plays where you feel Knox shows he doesn't know what to look for pre-snap?
I think it's the post-snap keys and adjustments that are puzzling him:
"Is this a linebacker I see before me, backpeddling away from my hand? Come, let me clutch thee, I have thee not and yet I see thee still!"
Meanwhile the DB he's supposed to be blocking as the LB drops into coverage, is nailing the back in the backfield and Knox never looks.
He's supposed to be a pretty smart player, but I'm starting to wonder if he's a bit of a "meathead"
I'm also admittedly prejudiced against the Bills TE coach, but I can't help wondering if coaching is part of the issue. The WR don't always block well, but they seem to know WHO they're supposed to block.
You retain a fine sense of humor my friend Hap.
I tried to mention my views on Knox were not studied , more happenstance. when i saw him looking around.
so , no yes . I cannot provide a case to defend my perception.
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I feel like this and moving Ford to IR brings some clearity to Oline group. Obviously, they like Ford and seemed they were leaving a spot open for him to slide back into. Before the bye idk how back Mango really was. Center is a less demanding posistion physically than guard is. Morse being injured allowed for Feliciano to work his back in shape. Now play Morse at Center and plug Feliciano in either guard spot. I would pair him with Dawkins. Allens blindside and create a strong run blocking combo.
Has Ike or Bates played RG ? are are you suggesting leaving Edgar Winters at RG
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That really doesn't work. With the "amoeba" defenses our opponents are running and the post- snap adjustments, Knox really needs to just know what his keys are and how to read them.
Then why doesn't he? Know what to look for presnap ?
as mentioned , he does look lost on his blocking on the occasion i have caught him.
I really would like Knox to improve his game for Bills but i worry about his mental acuity at times
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This was always our #1 OL. It's just taken drama, experimentation and injuries to finally get to it. Leave Winters on the bench where he belongs and if someone goes down use Bates. Let's not overthink this.
I think Ford was the expected to grow into LG exp that has not come to fruition.
But yes I agree. This is a good line to finish out the season with. Fingers crossed
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This would be my guess also. Should be good for the run game which we need to use more, IMO.
Yep and yep.
I like Ike. at LG and Felciano at RG .
Glad Morse is back. Winters can come in on goal line plays maybe.
get those Horses fired up for the Chargers
Go BillsExpandNice to have a deep line to be able to make it work...but these guys are all on similar levels.
We need to get some clear cut good/great line in the near future.
We might have two already. Dawkins and Williams.
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Exactly, are we really upset that we didn't run more against Seattle? Why stop throwing if you can't be stopped?
This i hope is agreed upon across the board ?
But as i mentioned well upstream or somewhere , at some point during the Playoffs Bills better be able to run the ball effectively out a base formation.
Solid execution might help.
and Dawkins or Williams should be calling out Knox's potential blocking assignment eh ? He need to be more effective-
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Hap, you hit a bunch of the points. I would add one in a fullback helped us in the past, but the trade off is using more WR’s allows our passing game to flourish. We’d have to use more substitutions and that begs we’d have to give up some options in the pass. I do agree our constantly shifting line is part of the problem, and Winters is not playing well. I wonder if they look better with the following combination of Dawkins, Ford, Morse, Feliciano, and Williams. I can’t figure out if behind closed doors, Morse didn’t play because of the concussion issues, or lack of production. I understand they may move on from him to have $ ready in a Covid cap year, but if he is better than Winters meaning Feliciano playing Guard.as soon as you mentioned FB I though back to the beginning of the season With Gilliam motioning out of TE to FB or backfield , and it worked.
i vote we start using extra blockers and learn how to run inside.
We seems to have a handle on the passing game......:)ExpandA lot of good info & vids in this thread. Confirms to me that the rbs are not the problem.
Winters needs to sit, asap.
With Ford dealing with an ankle, sb Dawkins ... Boettger ... Morse ... feliciano.. Williams
sit Knox (forever) go with Kroft & Gilliam
good thread.
absolutely !
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Where...
There there !
ExpandI’m not chuckling because I disagree, but rather because you are so right...Imo no one else embodies that softness, you speak of, more than Edmunds...when you have DB’s hitting harder than your MLB, you’re in trouble!
Game has changed and we no longer have LBs who just blow up a run gap so well fans say eeeew that musta hurt. and just the sound of the hit.
No one can play head down to tackle anymore.
Grab Lift and slam those HBs.
D line has room for improvement. lets hope we see a continuing trend on this Sunday till seasons end
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Good points. Maybe I overstated my position but... Morse was signed to an inflated contract because - if I recall correctly - we didn't have a valid option for the center position at the time. Again, if I recall correctly, PFF had Morse graded as something like the 14th best center in the NFL prior to us signing him. So while we ended up with the highest paid center in the league, we certainly didn't end up with the best.
I truly appreciate that Beane has built a better/deeper line than Whaley. I guess I should have said that Beane's given us some solid starters and strong depth but failed to create an elite line.
The OL is better at pass pro than run blocking and I guess that makes sense. Still, I'd like to see more holes for backs to run through and more push on 3rd or 4th and short. At 4.0, the Bills rank in the bottom ten in ypc.
Even in pass pro, the Bills have given up 20 sacks - roughly the NFL average despite having an elusive QB who's not easily sacked. Pass pro could be better too.
We have outstanding wideouts and - let's celebrate - an outstanding QB. But our backs and OL are lagging behind. And seeing this, I'm guessing Beane prioritized passing game skill positions.
Morse. I believe he was expected to be a decent prize for whomever garnered him. The ONLY downside was the concussion issues. and here we are again.
But Morse was very good grab by Beane and i think the move was grade decently or better>and> it was a real need for Buffalo Bills to look after Josh Allen.
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Who cares about the running game. It’s not who they are now. Bills have an elite QB and the best WR group in the NFL. That was not the case a few years ago. Weather will not stop KC and Pittsburgh from throwing the ball. Commit to the best 5 linemen. Daboll is doing fine and getting guys open all over the field. My only criticism is they should call 2-4 more screens a game.
I care about the running game
As the season goes on the teams get tougher defending . So much tape by end of season into playoffs.
Teams will coach us out of passing. A Playoff team has to be able to turn on the run game when needed. my opinion.
So we better start practicing it lol
and then defining and refining it. O line needs to tighten up the formations and bring their will in the run game.
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I thought this was going to be a question.
and i thought of my Friend at work who is pretty hard core as defined in Merriam Websters World Atlas
You are hard core if ?
you get stressed and yell at the TV during Bills bye week. ( watching games on the TV for wins and losses that affect the Bills Playoffs )
Micah Hyde
so under rated/radar To his advantage i hope
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Hard to tell with the mask
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Feliciano gets more push in the run game yes. The way they used Morse and Spain was pulling then and using Morse's athleticism. Our run game hasn't been great the last two games but the two games Feliciano took over last year and the one he took over the this year when Morse went out are among our best rushing days of the past couple of seasons.
Could it be simply safe play calling that made those nice runs effective ?
Morse is certainly more advanced at protections. Smart cookie . And i call that weighs heavy when evaluating the Center's game day.
ExpandI have decided I like the short term IRs and NFL should allow more of them in future years.
They will need to find a way to ensure though that players do not get stuck on PS if they do not want.
its a game changer and i like the concept.
like to see a roster increase as well. Game day and PS.. A bit more chess to watch out for perhaps? But good for the players and the game maybe
AJ Klein: Tremaine Edmunds "a True Mike"
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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They are plenty of defenders to defend either position about T Edmunds
But i am not sure wreaking havoc will ever be his thing. Sure tackling would be enough for me lol
he has not developed as quickly as Fans wish. I think we can agree upon that.
The question is will he.
How he finishes the season and if he can maintain the last two weeks type of play (very good) ? I will feel pretty good about him.
Klein and Edmunds suddenly look connected and playing well
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