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    Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones

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    On 5/5/2024 at 4:58 PM, Mat68 said:

    Idk… Wr is a 100% dependent position.  With Big Ben he was pretty solid.  The Pickett offense was bad.  The Bears passing game was a disaster.  Didnt see him as a fit for what Miami does at wr.  Played special teams and decent blocker doesn't point to a guy who doesnt like football.  He will have to humble himself to make the team.  He does that I see a path for a turn around.  Top qb, open targets, and offense suited for his play style.    

    he took the job

     McBeanes had a reason to offer an opportunity.

    Hopin' he puuls his sht together and gets to work. There IS a real place for him as a Bill if he can recreate hisself 

    Would you get Tom Brady’s autograph?

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    On 5/5/2024 at 10:14 AM, Ga boy said:

    I’m seeing some short Fb vids of people getting autographs and selfies with the GOAT QB in public places.  I think a true Bills fan wouldn’t.  I wouldn’t. I even saw him autographing someone’s clothing who didn’t ask for it.  Now that’s a Brady move. If I was in the same elevator or sat beside him in coach (ha), I would definitely tell him I’m a member of Bills Mafia and I’m glad he’s retired.  I mean I’d have to say something, wouldn’t I?  But no autograph or selfie.  How bout you?  Would you, could you, should you?

    Who ?

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    On 5/2/2024 at 11:17 AM, Logic said:


    This is where I've come to on Coleman as well.

    After my initial disappointment and teeth gnashing subsided and I allowed myself to become excited about what he seems to do WELL rather than what he DOESN'T do well, I've slowly accepted that he has the upside and skillset to potentially become a very good NFL receiver.....eventually.

    The issue, as you point out, is that they need him NOW, and Beane said as much recently. 

    Where I think Coleman would have the best chance to succeed is if he had been added to a WR depth chart that didn't need him to produce right away. That could use him situationally and scheme him up and bring him along slowly. 

    I also think his best chance at success is to be a move player, a big slot, and to line up off the line of scrimmage more often than not.

    Instead, he will seemingly have neither of those two luxuries. He joined a team that's gonna depend on him right away, and he joined a team that seems dead set on using him as a traditional X receiver. My worry about Coleman has thus shifted. I'm not as worried about him purely as a prospect -- clearly he's talented. Instead, I'm worried that his early workload and the way the Bills seem to want to use him will not be setting him up for success.

    I really, REALLY hope they add a WR of significance after June 1st, be it via trade or free agency. Even someone who is only serviceable (like the current version of Odell Beckham) would take some pressure off of Coleman and would be able to provide some on-field mentorship.

    As things stand now, I feel like there is a clear path to success for Keon Coleman, and that the Bills do not currently seem to be headed down that path.

    Are they dead set on using him as an X. Not sure thats true.

    I expected Beanes to score a exactly that and such my hesitation to get on board with Coleman.

     But I am coming around.

    Maybe they are moving him around and using Samuel's speed outside.

    But looking like Brady is just going to scheme guys open.

     Maybe it's Cook that runs the deep outside pass on occasion lol Maybe Claypool ??

     Gotta have some faith this time of year 

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    30 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

    Agreed, mostly because he was mis-used, (in my opinion) and has only played with mediocre QB's thus far in his career. 

     

    That being said, Next Gen Stats (@nextgenstats on TwitterX), and Cover1 support the case that his physical capabilities are still there.  

     

    1. According to NextGen, Samuel averaged 9.08 mph within the first second of his routes in 2023. They call it "burst" He was the 3rd quickest in the NFL for receivers with at least 300 routes. Bills ranked 29th in the league in that category last year, at 7.95 mph.  (Gabe was 8.25 mph and Stef was 7.73)

     

    2. Cover1 posted that Samuel was tied for 13th last season in average separation with 3.3 yards.  

     

    Those are elite numbers. Now Josh just needs to get him the ball, and he could have a great season.  That burst will keep teams honest.  I am honestly starting to get excited. There is a lot of talent on this Offense!

    Under rated for good reason. But as you peel back a few layers, and the previous Off and QB situations.

     Easy to see this guy might be a formidable weapon in Bills offense  !

     Thanks for details :)

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    20 hours ago, VW82 said:

    The more I think about this pick and what we saw from Brady last year, the more I'm talking myself into Coleman being a good fit. (I have spoken...to myself)

     

    Brady did the complimentary football thing but when we did pass it was a lot of hitches and screens...basically lots of stuff close to the LOS with some verticals mixed in, not a lot of complicated routes. Get him the ball quick and let him YAC or block/pick for guys.

     

    I think part of our collective fan problem is we've adopted the mindset that Brady is going to really open up the offense and make it his own in year 2 in which case we maybe we have a raw rookie that will struggle. But what if that's not the plan? What if Brady's 2023 offense is the offense? Coleman can do that. 

    This is a good post. Not just because I agree mostly :)

     Brady simplifying last year , was a reset maybe. A change at least though right ? Or well thought out.

     This year starts out rebuilding the Basics (simplified) and then grow from there from seeing what is working.

    Get that down well , across 11+ guys , and then build onto those fundamentals that are needed and work your way up

     Idk that is what he is doing but I would be on board. And I think you are close to the truth VW :)

     

    Good dialogue to be had over this.

    Whats Brady thinking for this season ?

     Considering the players in hand currently ?

    Some one smarter than me   should consider a thread , if not already running. 😅

     

    So includes near all of you  lol

     

     

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    11 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

    I have noticed that you have a habit of announcing that you have spoken when you "speak," which is redundant, though rhetorically memorable. I hope it does not become a contagion that results in an unspoken rule. It would be tiresome if everyone who posts informs folks that they have spoken.

     

    I have spoken.

    It is from an older language translated as an Orator has finished with a proclamation.

     I deem it so, was also used.

    Means , No more is to be discussed.

    And now

    I have spoken  😇

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    Rd 5, Pick 168: Edge Javon Solomon, Troy

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    10 hours ago, finn said:

    I agree. The trouble is that he was just good enough to lose with. It's like having the second-best hand in poker. The fault lies not in him but in McBeane's faith that he could be a viable WR2. It took until the second half of last season, when both Allen and Brady gave up on him, for McBeane to accept their faith was misplaced. Their overvaluation of Davis is one of three key mistakes they have made in the Allen era, along with the Von Miller debacle and allowing an overmatched Spencer Brown to learn on the job.

    I agree mostly.

     Depending on Davis to become more that he was was a mistake I also made !
    Von Miller I was not on board with because  sunk contract. I had as few on my list back then.

    But not that I expected this nasty injury

    Brown ? I would have wanted an upgrade vet for him to learn behind another year (or two )
    But not a player i felt wouldn't improve , if healthy

     But Bills have for ever half assd RT.
    BTW I think Bills might be fielding the best o Line in quite few years

     Rooting for Javon ! of course !

    Rd 4, Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky

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    On 4/28/2024 at 4:54 PM, transient said:

    Pretty good receiver out of the backfield, both as an outlet and as a downfield option. Brady should be able to have fun scheming up some misdirection with the combination of him and Cook. Throw in the hybrid Curtis Samuel and they might even rediscover how to run a screen. 

    Whats all this then ?

     A screen ?

     Has it ever been done with any success ?

    Sounds risky

    2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

     

    lol, not even close.  It will be 65 Cook/25 Johnson/10 Davis

    Hmm.

    Rd 5, Pick 141: C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger

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    1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

    He's a short armed center only ... And he sometimes uses bad technique to try and make up for his short arms 

     

    Can improve his core strength 

     

    he has very little chance of beating out a grown professional starter in mcgovern this year .. who has starting NFL experience... And is now one of the bigger stronger centers in the league

     

    You groom him for a year or two while bulking him up and work on his technique

    Yep !

    Rd 5, Pick 141: C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger

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    On 4/28/2024 at 6:18 PM, HerdMentality said:

    Weirdly, the draft all comes down to this guy. 

    Not far fetched honestly

    Move McGovern back to Left guard in a year

    12 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

    Theory is that he is center only with no positional flexibility.

    I'll take it ! Centers should NEVER move from being the Capitan of the O line.

    Rd 5, Pick 168: Edge Javon Solomon, Troy

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    20 hours ago, SCBills said:

    Bills absolutely crushed the 5th Round.

     

    They knew they needed contributors in this Draft and took two guys with Day 2 talent in RD5.  
     

    Now how did two guys who have Day 2 talent fall to RD5, you ask?

     

    Van Pran is a Day 2 talent at Center .. but that’s really all he can do.  His body build doesn’t translate well to Guard.  Kromer will certainly cross train him for an emergency, but like Torrence dropped because he’s only a Guard, Van Pran dropped because hes only a Center. …but a dang good one at that.  
     

    Solomon is a Day 2 talent at pass rusher .. but that’s really all he can do.   He’s not built to be a traditional rotational DE.  He’s a pass rush specialist.   It’s about time a team like us, that typically has 5 Gameday active DE’s, got ourselves a designated pass rusher.  

    new mentality a coming ?

    20 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

    Solomon reminds me of Lorax for some reason. Maybe I’ll start calling him Baby Lorax from here on out.

    Lorax could play anywhere. Smart (very) player. Hopeful am I.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    2 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

     

    Allen is probably sick of his receivers not coming down with 50/50 balls, that's probably why he loves Coleman. Think about the shot he took to Gabe Davis in game 1 against the Jets last year, right through his hands. Think about the Diggs play against KC in the playoffs, right through his hands.

    Did you read Colemans drop rate ?

     

    Everything needs context , but not ideal that for sure

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    20 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

     

    Our other complimentary players say hello? You think defenses are worrying about Samuel or Knox?

    I consider a different perspective

    All these guys can catch footballs and run.

     It appears to me thats this will be a committee based Offense under Brady at this point. Just makes sense considering how they picked.

     And yea

    Defenses will have to plan against a number of threats this season

    Its not like Diggs was getting doubled late last year.

     The more the merrier

    It will be up to Josh and Brady to find the holes and exploit.

     But yea plenty of targets and ways to get the ball downfield !

    3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


    our offense can’t run through Josh for 20 games. He won’t make it.

    Shouldn't need to

    That's on Brady to help scheme and plan. I have a tinch of faith here in that 

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

    Good point.  Looks a lot like Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, and Demarcus Robinson, before they became a deadly combination.  Or St. Brown, Reynolds, LaPorta, and Raymond. Kelce, Rice, Valdez-Scantling, Watson.  The style of offense these teams are playing, and getting good production in the passing game, is not dependent of big name receivers.   It's a style that repeatedly leverages the defense in ways that allow good athletes to get open.  Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, and Kincaid are good athletes and they will get open.  

    I approve of this post.

    3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

     

    Kupp, St. Brown and Kelce were proven commodities as #1 receiving options. Putting complimentary pieces around those players at least has some logic to it. 

     

    We're putting all of our hopes in Shakir and Kincaid taking big steps forward and for Coleman to have a big rookie year. 

    Samuel and Knox and Cook say hello

     even that other WR Bills already have 🙂

    Rd 4, Pick 128: RB Ray Davis, Kentucky

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    53 minutes ago, finn said:

    Yes, I mentioned elsewhere that my judgment was hasty. I'm persuaded now that he'll be a real asset to the team. 

    I like this post.

    Tend to get hasty and judgmental meself at times

    This drafts first 3 picks were far away not my. especially after trading out.
    Thought Beanes was going to crush it in round two .

     Still skeptical.

    But absolutely like this kids potential in Bills Offense. Compliments , i think i wrote somewhere , Cook.

    Could be a very fine pick in Brady's offense

    Spread it around Josh. get all 5 reads in before unloading 

    lol

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