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A friggin' groin pull (or was it sports hernia?) isn't exactly the sort of injury you're worried about from a lasting perspective. I can't imagine recovery from the surgery is an issue, but at this point I won't rule anything out -- primarily because we've heard precisely NOTHING. Everything is speculation right now.
unless its a tear -
it's not like he was able to play thru the injury.
At LT, you can't hide an injury that reduces his ability to slide laterally and back pedal.
He missed time
Sounds like the Bills know this injury is much more severe than publicly reported and hence are waiting until he's healthy.
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Teams facing the Bills this year are without question going to crowd the line, take away most of the running lanes for Marshawn Lynch, and force Trent Edwards to beat them consistently downfield. Our run blocking is suspect. Edwards has the talent and we have some play-makers, at least potentially. If Edwards is good, we will have a middle of the pack offense and maybe a bit better.
If we had Brett Favre for two seasons, instantly Lee Evans and Marshawn Lynch would be stars, if not superstars. Teams would back off the line of scrimmage, opening up running lanes for Lynch, and terrified that Favre would beat them down the field with three speedy WRs. The best thing Favre does is scan the field and throw the ball up where his WRs can make plays downfield. That's also what Lee Evans does best and a guy named James Hardy and perhaps Roscoe can take huge advantage of.
The team's morale, confidence and veteran leadership would instantly skyrocket (regardless of whether it is warranted or not). The defense could take much larger risks and play a much more aggressive game, knowing the offense would likely put up some points, and maybe in bunches. It would be a huge boost IMO for Favre to be here for two years, and Edwards can be groomed.
I'm not saying it has much of a chance of happening. But it would instantly make the Bills a contender, and help every aspect of the team.
This happy talk is all predicated on 2 things:
1. Brett plays at an all-world level at 39 years of age
2. He plays at this level in a foreign offense with no prior interaction with the coaches, WRs, RBs and OL (not to metion lack of a TE)
3. He does not revert to the form he exhibited in the years prior to 2007 when he was a turnover machine
4. He does all this on Sundays with limited time commited in the off-season and during each week. He wants the glory but his commitment to getting there is gone
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I do find it interesting that his surgery and recovery have not been discussed.
I had raised the point earlier.
Peters has not shown that he is recovered from his serious injury.
Unlikely the Bills throw money at him until they can validate that he is recovered.
No problem, though, because the Bills are absolutely loaded with talent to fill in until his return.
Good thing the Bills planned ahead knowing that Peters ended the season unable to play.
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I agree; he's already on the national stage. It's not like Namath never threw a pick. But the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of him becoming a Bill. Because I think we're getting close to being a contender. And he could provide the leadership and proven talent to get us to the next level, this season or next. He's better than Bledsoe was, just as strong an arm, more mobile, and can play in the cold. I think the Bills could make more of a case to him that he must earn the starting job, more than Green Bay can, where he is God. I think we can afford him, especially with a contract with performance incentives. And he's got a good relationship with Jim Kelly, which could help his decision. I'm surprised he changed his mind about retiring though. He might just want one more season and retire again. He must believe he can still play a bit longer, and still go out on top. Certainly, how he played last year would give credance to that. Didn't Sugar Ray Lenard retire from boxing like five times? I still have strong doubts that this will ever happen.
you do realize he is an old 39
He wants to play on Sunday, but can;t make the commitment for the rest of teh offseason and weekly practice.
His magical 2007 season is clouding reality.
Keep him away from Buffalo- unless we trade him to Minnesota
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I don't care if he'd have it or not. I'm willing to concede to 1bills, obi and the like that Schonert will be the last offensive coordinator Jauron personally hires for this team, one way or the other. If Schonert fails, and Jauron can't accept that he doesn't know the first thing about hiring an offensive coordinator, I won't defend him. He can show himself out.
Who cares if Wade had any leverage? Phillips with his guys coaching the offense equals mediocrity. Phillips with power over the offense taken out of his hands equates to success, with the right personnel in place. If Schonert fails, its time to take away some of the leverage Jauron has, and put him in the position Phillips was in: run with our guy coaching the offense, or walk.
I give Jauron until he has an offensive coordinator we have some reason to believe knows what they're doing, and the team still can't make the playoffs. Until then, I'm not giving up on a guy who has the defense moving in the right direction, and the whole team playing hard, yet smart. I won't allow his defficiency in one area of the game to sour me on him, when it can be easily remedied by allowing someone else (say, Marv Levy?) to appoint the overseer of that unit.
EDIT: You guys can go on and on about Jauron's track record. The facts are he fielded good defensive units in Chicago when he had competent personnel, and there's reason to be optimistic about the defense here. And he has NEVER had the oppurtunity to work with a competent offensive coach. His teams play with passion, his players love to play for him, and penalties are kept low. I believe the offensive coach is whats missing, and what was missing in Chicago before Angelo lost half his defense.
The defense better perform - sicne he spends most of the resources on the defensive side of teh ball.
It is no coincidence that Schobel got a big increase and Peters is still waiting.
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Well, I don't think we're that far. I think we definitely need a center on the O-line, and some better DE's. I reserve judgement on the DT's until I see Stroud play. At WR, I have said before, I'd like to see a trade for Michael Jenkins who is being wasted in Atlanta- he is an upgrade in the slot, and may be able to play outside at times if we get good QB play.
We need to stick with Trent throughout his development, no matter how poorly he plays at times, if he has a down season every now and then...whatever.
We just can't keep starting over, or we will be waiting at least that long
according to your timeline, we will need to replace anyone over 28 by the time they are ready to challenge
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Saw this another message board.
talking about return skills raising one's draft stock.
Pretty surprising, though, is the low rating on McKelvin as a CB-
If these scout opinions are accurate, he may not be starting at CB week 1
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Call it the "Devin Hester Effect." The Chicago Bears took a calculated gamble two years ago by drafting Hester in the second round almost entirely because of his kick-return skills. Hester has responded by returning four punts and seven kickoffs for touchdowns in his first two seasons. Now teams across the NFL are searching for players with similar game-changing ability on special teams.
And it helps explain why Troy cornerback Leodis McKelvin could get taken as early as the first round in April. McKelvin returned seven punts for touchdowns in his college career, including three during his stellar senior season. "There are some issues with him playing corner," said Frank Coyle of www.draftinsiders.com, referring to questions about McKelvin's technique and level of competition in college. "But he's going to come in and return punts and kicks and do it well. So I think that in itself has to move him up one or two rounds." Coyle rates McKelvin as the No. 43 overall prospect in this draft class, and other draft boards have him going late in the first round. Boise State offensive tackle Ryan Clady, UCF running back Kevin Smith and Houston wide receiver Donnie Avery – another potential special-teams demon – are the only non-"Big Six" league players rated ahead of McKelvin.
McKelvin isn't the only senior who should benefit from the NFL's increased emphasis on special teams. The days of return men with Cribbs' potential going undrafted probably have ended for the foreseeable future. Utah State wide receiver Kevin Robinson isn't in Mobile this week, but he should catch the eye of any NFL scout looking for an elite returner. Robinson averaged 16.2 yards on 401 touches to set an NCAA career record for all-purpose yards per play. He led the nation in punt return average (18.9) this past season, ranked sixth in kickoff returns (29.3) and scored two touchdowns – one on a punt return and one on a reception – in last week's East-West Shrine Game.
While Robinson won't be playing in the Senior Bowl, there a few other potential NFL return men joining McKelvin in Mobile. Avery and Purdue wide receiver Dorien Bryant each returned kickoffs for touchdowns this past season. Notre Dame safety Tom Zbikowski scored on three career punt returns, and Virginia Tech wide receiver Eddie Royal returned two punts for scores in '07. East Carolina running back Chris Johnson ranked 18th in the nation in kick-return average this season and set an NCAA bowl record with 408 all-purpose yards in the Pirates' Hawaii Bowl upset of Boise State. Johnson has wondered how the success of Hester and Cribbs might help his own pro prospects, but he also believes he could offer NFL teams an even greater dimension. "I look at those guys, and they really don't have a primary position," Johnson said. "And I've got a primary position. To have (special teams) as an asset is going to make my draft stock even higher."
But no matter how well these guys play on offense or defense, it's their game-changing ability on special teams that could separate them from the pack. That's particularly true of McKelvin, who is generally regarded as the top return man in this draft class. McKelvin led his team with 1,022 all-purpose yards last fall despite not taking a snap on offense. Wherever McKelvin ends up in the NFL, he ought to shake Cribbs' hand or buy Hester a dinner the first time his team faces the Browns or Bears. After all, those two guys are going to end up helping McKelvin make more money than if he'd entered the league a couple of years earlier.
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No, not even close. London Fletcher is involved in about 200 tackles every year and the guy never gets injured. Some bodies are built to take the punishment, some aren't. There are definite reasons to worry about Trent. Soft tissue, joint and head injuries are what separate the durable from the prone. Edwards had a lot of those issues in college.
I think Losman is more athletic and capable of taking punishment, but he takes much more punishment because of his indecisiveness and willingness to run. I too think Edwards will get hurt and Losman will get some starts.
My rationale is not just Trent's history in college, but what also what I saw in that second Jets game. The only team to play Edwards twice was the Jets. In the second game, they took away the short passes he had picked them apart with earlier in the season. They pressured him from all directions. They roughed him up and he was ineffective and injured. That is what he can expect to see this year from EVERYBODY now that there is some tape on him.
Unless an unpolished rookie receiver(Hardy) steps up or a TE of any worth develops from the unproven and unheralded bunch they are bringing to camp, this is the same bunch of mediocre receivers they had last year. IMO, they really screwed the pooch not getting Edwards a good tight end for him to throw to. His best throws are down the middle, and without safeties having to respect centerfield they can cheat toward the sidelines to take away vertical receivers like Evans and Hardy. I don't think most fans realize just how important it is that Schouman or Fine turns into a Chris Cooley clone, or that Edwards shows improved enough arm strength to throw the deep out, take advantage of vacant sidelines and keep defenses honest. People think I'm down on Edwards, but I'm not. The Bills just continue to show a maddening tendency to not put their QB's in position to succeed.
It is extremely frustrating that the front office continues to flaunt its arrogance about being able to find diamonds on the OL and at TE from low round draft picks and free agent rejects.
They need to revamp their scouts on the offensive side of the ball. In conjunction with this, they severely overrate the talent level of their own players which prevents them from pursuing real talent.
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Those that believe Brett's a bum obviously doesn't know anything about football. Some think that last year was an aberition for Favre. That he more likely will resemble the QB from the '05 & '06 seasons.
I disagree. BF finally played well last year because his supporting cast was better than which he played the last two seasons prior. Grant, Jennings and Jones are three examples of guys that performed well last year that may have either been too young to be effective in earlier seasons or wasn't on the GB roster, such as Grant. That's why Favre had a great season.
BF has kept himself in tip top shape and will definately be an immediate upgrade over TE. TE can afford to ride the pine anyways. He's only in his second year. He's not going any where.
Besides, this is a win now league. With BF I believe that's exactly what the Bills will do.
In shape for a 40 year old is a lot different than for a 25 year old.
Brett will crash and burn in 2008.
Assuming that Brett will dulpicate 2007 is pure fantasy - especially if he has to learn an entire new offense and the tendencies of his WRs and RBs.
If he plays anywhere it will be Minn because he knows the system and coach.
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There isn't a league rule, but the Packers could include a clause prohibiting it in the legalese of any potential trade.
and Favre would refuse to report unless the clause was removed.
then he would come to camp and make the Packers play him or cut him.
The Pack needs plausible deniability for sending him to Minn.
More likely is the Packers arrange a 3 way deal behind the scenes so they claim to their fan base that they traded him to the AFC.
They could not stop the 2nd deal to Minnesota (wink, wink)
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I hope you are right, but I don't think we are good enough on either line at QB or WR. You don't improve that much in one offseason- but if we are heading in the right direction, I will be satisfied with that.
we should be in the playoffs by 2015!
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No way....Brett lives for the attention...I think he can handle it!
Brett has been the center of attention - but always treated as a god by the green bay fans and media- like Madden
No way does he even want to try to survive NY.
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To me, the most obvious fit, that would meet the Packers crieterion (non-NFC team) is the New York Jets.
except Favre does not want and can not handle the media pressure of a major market.
Big difference coming from an area where he is treated like a god to where they will hound him about those pesky picks.
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Can you elaborate on this?
more made up crap
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. If you told me that Brett actually wanted to come here and if Trent was simply better would be a great mentor to him and be there in case of an injury then fine.
Favre will never be a good mentor for any young QB.
By defintion, that young QB is in line to take Brett's job.
If this whole escapade has taught you nothing else, Favre is "all about Brett, all the time".
Favre is old and getting older.
That wall is coming up awfully fast and the end is not going to be pretty.
Go back to how Favre played in the couple years before 2007 to see the preview.
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hmmm, lets think about this, Pick up a veteran QB who is only going to play for 1-2 years tops (we believe) and a first ballot HOFer who had a great year last year and carried the team into the playoffs, or stick with a guy who has played one half a season, put up good stats for a rookie and shows potential, in a year were fans are calling for a coaching change is they don't make the playoffs?
I seriously don't get this fan base. He is not a lockerroom cancer, no criminal record, and is one of the top players at his position, and the Bills should pass cause it means Trent might have to sit behind and learn from Favre for a year or 2? Think of how much better Trent could become if Favre takes him under his wing for a year or 2
And I agree about the AFC thing, that Packers will trade him out of the division/NFC to limit his impact on them, and in the AFC, Buffalo could be a possible destination. Plus, didn't he say something about wanting to stay in a colder weather area?
1. Brett wants to win a SuperBowl - only player to win with 2 differnt teams - not happening in Buffalo this year.
2. Brett will not mentor anybody- it's all aboout Brett, all the time.
Brett will not help his prime competition take his job.
3. Pack wants him out of the NFC, but Brett's best path to the SuperBowl is thru the NFC. Any team the Pack trades him to, can repackage Brett to his final destination (Minnesota)
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I really can't disagree with anything in this post. I would hope that if Turk doesn't work out, we don't go burning Jauron at the stake. Instead, we should accept its possible he just doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to hiring offensive coordinators, much like both Tony Dungy and Wade Phillips. If someone else could find him a coordinator, which is exactly what was done for Dungy and Phillips, he could be as successful as those guys have been in their current stops.
maybe if he just interviewed one or two that actually had experience as an OC, he might have a better idea as to what they do.
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There have also been articles saying since he said when he retired that he didn't want the pressure that the Packers were going to be under (which for all intents and purposes was probably bull) that he might want to go to a building team, which would instantly flip-flop the list, but if true that'd make all this hullabaloo kinda pointless. Should make for an interesting week at the least.
How many QBs have won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams?
That is the objective, the Vikings are the closest team to a Super Bowl appearance that could use a QB.
He will stay in the NFC since there are too many good teams in the AFC
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One man's opinion.
Favre's pact with the devil expired at the end of last year.
He will go back to throwing more picks than TDs.
He is a circus sideshow, not the centerpiece of a football team trying to develop a bunch of young guys.
FAvre will ruin the chemistry since "it's all about Brett, all the time"
On the other hand, maybe he can provide some improvement to the personnel side of things, since he fancies himself a junior GM.
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You realise he wasn't serious
Since the Draft all Obie has been doing here is complaining that the Bills didn't use their top picks to bring in more linemen because they need Pro Bowl level depth on the lines.
a few more Pro Bowl starters would be good too
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"The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that other teams potentially interested in Favre are the Bears, Bills, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Lions, Panthers, Redskins and Vikings."
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25802371/
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/22/...ns-about-favre/
no substance here since no info from the Pack.
some hack writer from the Green Bay picks out the teams with QB names he does not recognize and names them as a likely destination for the GOD.
Favre is toast - inflate your hopes at your own risk
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I guess i could say the same to you about not looking for similiar topics before posting. Right?
http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=68363
There are two reasons why the players tend to not sign until a day or two before training camp.
1) Teams will lowball the contracts and the players will be high. They will meet in the middle. Negiotations take time.
2) Teams have to give out millions in guaranteed money. As soon as the contract is signed they have to hand it over. They don't want to pay the money until they have to.
which is why the league needs to adopt a rookie pay scale where no negotiation is necessary. Drastically reduce the pay at the top of the draft and slot all picks to a fixed scale.
All picks could be signed within a week of the draft, like in the NBA.
Change the rule so players can only attend mini-camp if they are signed and there would not be a problem with delayed signings
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Its the fee market at its best. Of course that contract doesn't mean anything. Take Peters, the guy made the pro bowl on a team desperate for offensive talent. He is so far under paid, its ridiculous. Lets say we held him to his contract, what is to stop him from showing up, going through the motions and cashing his check? Do you think he would be eager to sign up with us when his current deal is up? Not a chance. So, if we want a ticked off pro bowler on our hands with no motivation other than to stay healthy and get out of here, all we have to do is hold him to his contract.
I say we stop pretending we have any leverage here at all and simply pay him. Get him into camp all smiles, ready to do some damage on the field and eager to be our rep at the pro bowl for the next 8 years.
I don't understand the need to sign Peters to big bucks.
So he's a good player. The Bills have been fine for the last 15 years with crap talent on the OL. Why should they spend money on one LT?
We have plenty of other options to take his place.
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Do I think that he will be a great player on those teams? It's certainly possible, especially in Miami. Bill Parcells is known for what I call Frankenstein Football. He doesn't want his players to think and/or improvise, he wants them to execute within his system. If JP can do what he is told and think what he is told, when his is told, then he certainly has the physical ability to do the rest. If he is handing the ball off 40 times a game, and throwing out routes to TEs/RBs and the occasional 20 yard pass down field, I can see him doing fine. Parcells is known for boring offensive football and great defense, and wailing on QBs who dare grab any of his spotlight. Perfect place for JP to be in that sense. He does what he's told, no thinking, and he gets rewarded for making Bill look good.
Parcells is also known to despise turnovers.
JP is a turnover machine.
not a real good match
Bills not sure if LT Peters will report to camp
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Sounds like Brandon is going to stand on principle and not be proactive in resolving the Peters matter.
He just might want to make a phone call to Peters and find out why he missed all of the off season activities. Hard to believe the front office has not had any direct contact with their best player since January - if nothing else to check on his recovery.
But its good to know they have a solid backup plan in place if Peters holds out.
Too bad it doesn't involve what the front office brought in to play LT.
Walker can barely handle the 2nd tier rushers from the right side. should be a real adventure trying to handle elite rushers from LT.
Bills not sure if LT Peters will report to camp
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-b...p&type=lgns
Exerpts taken from
By JOHN WAWROW, Associated Press
Last updated: 6:32 p.m., Thursday, July 24, 2008
PITTSFORD, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills have had very little contact with Jason Peters in the past few months regarding his contract dispute, and aren't sure if the Pro Bowl left tackle will report for the start of training camp on Friday.
"To be very honest with you, it's truly been a roadmap of silence to date," chief operating officer Russ Brandon said Thursday, as Bills players began arriving at the team's training camp headquarters in suburban Rochester. "We expect Jason to be here to honor his commitment to the organization because we made a substantial commitment to him two years ago."
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As for Peters, Brandon wouldn't rule out the possibility of negotiating a new deal but only if Peters begins taking part in team functions.
"It's difficult to have discussions with someone that's not here and has not elected to participate in what we're trying to do," Brandon said. "Jason's a big part of what we're trying to do. But if he's not here, then we'll work around it and move on."
Brandon also noted the team rewarded the player with a new contract prior to the 2006 season, when the converted tight end became a full-time starter at right tackle. Peters then made the switch to the left side midway through the 2006 campaign.
Offensive coordinator Turk Schonert said last month he's already preparing contingency plans should Peters not report to camp. One option included moving Walker to the left side.