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We have a Rookie QB playing on one of the youngest teams in the league, one that was also crippled with injuries.
I think Jauron deserves a medal for how hard our team played week in, week out.
Do you honestly think he had zero concern and did nothing in the way of trying to help? What do you expect him to do break the chain of command?
Thats not how it works, at least not in my book.
chain of command??
The OC is running a crappy offense and he reports to the head coach.
Where is there a problem with Jauron directing the OC to fix certain things - like adding audibles.
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The point is you're whining every five minutes in late July that we didn't take care of Peters in January, and using Schobel as an example, who signed in late August.
Schobel had 3 years left on his deal, just like Peters.
that is the relevance
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Every team has one , right? Did you see how well the Ravens line played when Ogden was hurt or the Rams when Pace went down? How come they had no one step right in?
because they are as ill-prepared as the Bills?
The Bills used to have Price as a backup who could actually hold his own at either OT spot.
I know its too much to ask to invest in someone like that instead of UDFAs and converted TEs
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Peters: i want to be the highest paid OL in the league
FO: we're willing to work on a new deal, but we cant make you the highest paid OL
Peters: well until you can, see ya
link?
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Notice the date on your own link, obie whine. Schobel signed August 24th. Why didn't they sign him in January when they had the chance?
my recollection is they signed Kelsey in Feb and Schobel stayed away from the off season activities that year.
Schobel says he asked for the increase but do not know when he asked.
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if any other player on the team turns into a pro bowl LT, then the Bills will have to deal with the precedent.
You, sir, must not manage people. Because if you did, I assure you you'd see the dangers in giving in to Peters at this point. Essentially, Peters and his agent have backed the Bills into a corner. The FO has only one option to maintain team unity and order - don't give him a new contract.
how does that management thing work when your best and most productive employee who has been nationally recognized for his achievements is paid half of the guy in the office next door who works on less important projects.
and the boss wants to hang in there for another year before we talk about a raise.
I can see how that would be good for morale
If the Bills are in a corner, it's their own fault because they were too arrogant to deal with this situation in the off-season.
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Yes they should. Peters has plenty of time still left on his contract and plenty still yet to prove. Evans is in the last year of his contract; therefore, he's a higher priority. The FO should be doing just as they are... work out Evans, first. Then as the season progresses and next offseason extend Peters.
The Bills have waited for 15 years for a probowl QB, RB, and S as well. So if Edwards, Lynch and Whitner break out this year do they suddenly get top 5 money as well? That logic doesn't hold up.
I don't have the time nor energy to look it up... but how many players re-work a contract less than half way through the contract term? My guess is not many. Yes, contracts are thrown out all the time, but it seems its typically the last year or 2 that are thrown out - not the last half or more.
EVANS
Evans may be a higher priority.
but why was he not signed to a new deal before camp?
was it a surprise to the front office that this was his last year?
why have the Bills front office chosen to distract Evans during camp while they work on his extension? or they just stringing him along?
why were Williams and Butler (with years left on their deals) deemed a higher priority than Evans (and Peters) and got extension BEFORE camp?
PETERS
How many UDFA's turn into pro bowl LTs?
maybe Peters is unique and should be treated as such.
if any other player on the team turns into a pro bowl LT, then the Bills will have to deal with the precedent.
The Bills already set the precedent when they extended Schobel with 3 years left on his deal.
Bills Pro Bowl DE Aaron Schobel signs contract extension with Buffalo
Associated Press
Updated: August 24, 2007, 11:04 PM ET
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Pro Bowl defensive end Aaron Schobel signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Friday that is potentially worth about $50.5 million over the seven-year deal.
The deal includes $20 million in guaranteed money and locks Schobel up through 2013, extending his current contract for four additional years. The new deal was reached after Schobel earned his first Pro Bowl selection last season, and now makes him the team's highest-paid player.
"Obviously, I had three years left on my deal so they didn't have to do anything ... so it's good: It's good for both of us," Schobel said after the Bills 28-17 preseason loss to Tennessee. "I like it here. This is my kind of style. I'm a small-town guy. I like the organization, I like the fans."
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7-9 and missed playoffs by 2 games. I recall many teams far below the Bills last season.
Last year, the Bills produced some of the least entertaining games I have ever seen.
The Pittsburgh game was extremely frustrating.
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Ah, my bad. I am not sure how many clients that Parker has held out. It's obviously one of the only bargaining chips the agents and players have. I doubt he has had many players hold out, if any, with three years left on his deal though. I really am not worried about this very much at all. That may change, but to me this is a lot to do about little.
The uniqueness of Peters is that he did not get the benefit of the big money from being a high draft pick.
He will never get those early years back.
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I'm not sure if he has a lot of options, but it's pretty clear that the route he has chosen clearly isn't working, and essentially his actions equate to trying to teach pig to sing: all it does is frustrate him and piss off the pig.
But hey...the Bills are the ones who keep blowing this. They should cave in and give him what he wants right now. The sooner the better because once they set the precedent, they'll be busy handing out new contracts to ever Tom, Dick or Obie who whines just a little.
seemed to work for Butler and Williams
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Do you get royalties from Peters if he gets a big fat extension? Give it a rest. He is good, but not the best player to ever line up at left tackle in the NFL. And for the love of God our offense SUCKED last year, and Peters was part of it. Peters is good, but just another guy blown up to outrageous proportions by the media hype machine. Anyone who doesn't care about his teammates pulling the stuff that Peters has, do the Bills even want him back right now?
That would be typical of this front office.
piss off the best player on the team at the 2nd most important position- where we haven;t a bona fide player for 15 years
and now cut him loose because the front office is on power trip
and because the front office refuses to acknowledge the importance of LT- we have absolutely no one on the roster that can take his place.
playoffs - here we come
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The Rams told Jackson they are willing to talk about a new deal but not while Jackson is holding out.
As already mentioned here, the Bear's Hester held out the first couple of days of Chicago's camp. Hester has the same agent as Peters, too. Hester reported without a new contract after losing more than $30,000 in fines.
Am I the only one thinking this agent (Eugene Parker) just might be giving his clients bad advice?
The missing info for both holdouts is that in both cases teh teams were negotiating with the player for an extension. The Rams did offer a new deal to Jackson BEFORE camp started. W
Hester came to camp on the premise that progress was being made on a new deal.
Why absolutely no discussions of any sort by the Bills with regard to Peters.
Regardless if he has contract in place, the team should have been pro-active and opened discussions to take care of Peters far earlier in the off-season so training camp would not have been a problem.
Just because they can hide behind his contract, does not mean they should.
It's taken 15 years to find a bona fide LT, it is a poor choice to make Peters an example of hard lining on contracts, while extending Williams and Butler BEFORE required to report at camp. They had time left on their deals as well. When Schoebel was extended, I seem to recall that he skipped all the off-season stuff as well - but still got a new deal BEFORE camp.
Why the double standard?
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My big question to his agent would be "Why the hell did you sign the deal in 2006?" The answer would be 5 years, 17.5 million with an 8 million dollar bonus. That was good enough TWO years ago, he took the money and he should live with it. God forbid he has to live on that pittance for 3 more years. How he will feed his family is beyond me. If he wanted more, he should have waited. I could see if it was the last year of the contract. I can even see the point the Bills paid other OL more money. Fine, show up, play to the contract you took and the Bills will take care of you next year. I'd play hardball with him if I were Bills management. Not only is he signed for three more years, the Bills can franchise him for two years after that. Go ahead and sit out and the Bills still have him for 5 more years if they want. Better yet, he should quit altogether and he can go make $17.5 over the next 5 years in whatever field he has his College Degree in. Basket Maker pays big bucks these days. He is just trying to take advantage of the fact that the Bills may be playoff contenders this year with him at LT. This whole thing sucks big time. Just another greedy athlete putting himself ahead of the team.
maybe they signed the deal in 2006 because the Bills (Marv Levy) asked them to since they did not want Peters to become a free agent the next year as a LT, with the understanding he would be taken care of if he was successful as a LT.
The Bills gave them a limited $1 mil escalator for the switch to left tackle to show their good faith but also to support the re-do since the $1mil would not be enough to support real LT money.
In January 2008, the Bills (Brandon) informed Peters they would not honor Marv's (he was senile at the time) Levy's commitement to redo the contract even though Peters is a pro-bowl LT who is the 3th highest paid OL on the team.
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Given QB's and LT's are the two most valuable positions, it has to be Peters. OTOH RB is one of the most easily replaced yet losing Lynch would be disastrous for our season.
Fred Jackson actually ran better than Lynch last year.
He averaged almost a full yard more and is much more advanced in the passing game than Lynch.
Losing Lynch would hurt but would not be fatal - especially if Trent is able to handle a bigger passing game.
Nothing works without an OL
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In the near future, most of the team core will be developing and improving. Instead of whining and complaining about the mistakes, which inevitably will lead to losses, why not enjoy this stage of development.
Watch Edwards, Lynch, Peters, Pozluzny, Evans and Hardy grow as players. Each step they take will bring us closer to the playoffs and eventually back to the superbowl. We should be on the edge of our seat right now every time the ball is in the air either on offense or defense and everytime Lynch breaks a tackle.
In maybe 5-8 years, when the players are fully developed, we will start to take games that we should win for granted again, and only be excited for the big games.
THis is the best stage of player develipment, IMHO. And I think we have a coach that is very suited for this stage as well.
in 8 years, all of those players will be out of the league or on their last legs.
The window is a might bit smaller than that.
But I guess that's what you need under the 25 year plan.
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if he doesn't show up this year...which I do think he will...
I do believe Chambers will step it up - he did fine against the Eagles at a spur of the moment injury to Peters
Dockery will step it up
Edwards releases quickly
Peters isnt my first priority at this time. I'd rather sign Leodis first and get Evans his extention.
you must have sold Trent some disability insurance
He will need it with that turnstyle on the left side
Their OC does not even think Chambers can hold down the left side. He wants to move Walker.
If they are forced to go with Chambers at LT, the Bills will be forced to move a TE permanently to the left side, leaving Walker exposed on the right side.
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KOK,
I am totally with you on this.....the bills extend deals on players that work WITH them not sit out like this.
The more time goes on the more I hope they tell Peters to eat it and sit out. Yes he deserves a raise but this is not how you go about it.
Extend Evans and even Crowell to show how the Bills do business.
Contrary to the recent spin, maybe the Bills already told Peters back in January they would not extend him with 3 years left
With that clear message - what are Peters options to get his point across?
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Which is relevant why? In no other industry would a "holdout" be acceptable behavior for an employee. I believe it's only acceptable in pro sports as a last resort, if the team absolutely refuses to talk. There is NO evidence the Bills have taken such a position, which is why Peters' ass should be in camp while his agent talks to the Bills and presents a rational argument for a new deal. It's so freaking simple, yet so many people don't get it.
It's very difficult for the Average Joe fan to feel sympathy for a 20-something year old athlete who was undrafted out of college and is SO unhappy with his $3.3M deal he has abandoned team activities as he attempts to hold the team hostage.
Talk about lack of perspective. The fact a good number of you believe the Bills should go crawling to Peters' agent astounds me.
Contrary to the Bills recent spin, it is more likely the Bills clearly laid out their position to the Peters camp back in January that they would not re-do his contract with 3 years left.
Peters actions have been in response to that Bills denial.
The root of this problem can be traced back to the deal done 2 years ago with Marv. Peters wanted an escalator to reward him if he was moved to LT. The Bills only agreed to a $1 mil addition. Both parties knew this was a bare bones compromise and it would become an issue if Peters was successful at LT. If Marv was still GM, this would not have been an issue - but Brandon is playing junior GM and changed the rules.
Pretty stupid to try to make an example out of your best player.
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Of all the crocks of schitt you've served, this one is the smelliest. First of all, the Bills aren't saying they don't know why Peters is not at camp -- they're implying they will address things once Peters shows he is committed to the team by showing up.
The other fantasyland story you've concocted? Honestly, man, you must have some good stuff you're smoking/drinking.
sure they might - but at the moment they are spinning the story as if they are in the dark
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6245
That's because contact with their Pro Bowl left tackle has been virtually non-existent the entire offseason.
"To be very honest with you it's been a road map of silence to date," said Bills COO Russ Brandon of the organization's contact with Peters.
O f course, he left out the small bit of info that they informed Peters in January they would not re-do his deal.
At THAT point, he had not missed any OTAs.
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OOORRRRR......
maybe he's dead and that's why no one has heard from him. He probably went hiking and fell off a cliff into a deep ravine and after a few weeks of living off the berries around him as he lay there with 2 broken legs a mountain lion came by and ate him.
after that, he's still our best (and only) LT
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You're nuts. No team has what you're suggesting. And as far as I know, no one has ESP to predict when a player will decide to hold out with three years on his contract. The Bills are doing the best job they can. They've been on track since dumping Donahoe. Too bad you can't see it.
PTR
wrong
the Bills knew in January Peters wanted a new deal.
they had the off-season and draft to acquire a lineman. They chose to ignore the issue. Their OC now feels the best move is skip the 2 studs backing up Peters and disrupt the whole line by moving Walker.
The same hole is there if Peters gets injured. The Bills have no answer for the 2nd most important position of the team.
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Bad thing is that he's showing his true colors no matter how the current impass ends. He's just another greedy SOB who really doesn't get the team concept. Pity. If he hadn't signed with the Bills. he could have played in the Arena league for about 25K/yr and drove truck for another 35K. Now he's earning about 50 times that and is only concerned about what the guy next to him earns. The Bills will not reward for bad behavior. How many of you understand that?
what if there are more facts which the Bills or Peters have not disclosed.
what if 2 years ago the Bills (under Marv Levy) wanted to lock up Peters to something longer than the 1 year tender.
They knew they were going to move him to LT.
Parker and Peters presumed this as well.
So to protect themselves, they asked for an escalator which would increase the base salary if Peters started at LT.
Parker wanted the increase to reflect what real LTs make. The Bills, insisting that Peters was only a RT, capped the escalator at $1 million, but promised they would re-do the contract if Peters did indeed move to LT successfully. This escalator is in Peters contract and did get triggered.
Well low and behold, in 2007 Peters becomes a Pro Bowl LT.
In january 2008, Parker approaches the Bills about the promised increase. However, the new sheriff in town is flexing his muscles and reneges on the offer with promises to pay next year - since he has 3 years left.
Flabbergasted with this turn of events and the total lack of respect for the Bills best player, Peters and Parker weigh their options and decide to skip the OTA to see how events unfold.
Instead of any discussions with Parker, the Bills extend marginal starters and backups to more money than Peters is making.
After reviewing the Bills options at LT and the total disregard for Peters skills - they make the tough decision to hold out from camp.
far fetched - maybe
even more far fetched is the story the Bills are spinning that they have no idea why Peters is not at camp.
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What's the tipping point where trying to make a point turns into a crusade? And what will he B word about once both McKelvin and Peters are both in camp?
inquiring minds want to know
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The Bills have single-handedly done everything they can to screw Jason Peters and ruin any chance the Bills will ever have of ever having a LT of any caliber ever play for this team ever again in the history of the entire world!!!
Oh, wait. Obie has whined about that speculative point 8 gzillion times in the past 24 hours.
Sorry about that.
well - they had 3 months to get a deal done with mcKelvin
the picks around him are signed so the numbers are slotted
training camp started
where is the deal?
maybe Overdorf is on vacation?
Bills sign McKelvin
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Good to see the Bills took the extra time and still overpaid.
If they were going to open the checkbook, you think they could have closed the deal before camp started.