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15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
Both Daboll and Allen seem to like the "Empty" formation with 5 receivers and no RB in the backfield. I have tried to find some stats that break down how often the Bills used this formation compared to other sets on pass plays last season, but I haven't been able to find them on line.
The addition of Diggs this year completely changes this formation for opposing teams to defend. Defenses would typically sub into their Nickle or Dime packages and move a safety over to John Brown's side to cheat on him and cover him high boxing him between the corner and the safety. That takes two of the 5 or 6 DB/LB out of the play covering Brown leaving 3 or 4 DBs / LB to cover the other four receivers in the play.
Now defenses are going to have to cheat to Diggs side with that safety coverage over the top which will leave Brown with a single defender. Can they double Brown too? They are running out of DBs to cover all of the receivers on the line now. Do you put Foster and McKenzie out there with Diggs and Brown and have them all sprint deep and clear out the entire middle of the field for Beasley on a quick slant to the middle? That play sounds like an easy 7-10 yards 4 out of 5 times. Do you curl Beasley and Duke into the middle of the field and pull coverage down into the box and leave a corner one on one with Diggs, Brown, and Foster streaking straight down the field? One of those guys is going to have one on one coverage with no safety help over top and will be there for a big play.
There are only so many CBs to go around. Who ends up with the LB or Safety on him... Foster, McKenzie, Beasley? I'll take that match up every time.
What happens when Daboll has all the receivers run deep and then pulls the guard, Allen tucks the ball and runs behind those big O-lineman into the cleared out side of the field. Let Allen get a couple nice chunks of yardage on that play and now the D-Coordinator is going to have to worry about dropping all his LBs into coverage to help his DBs on these empty sets. If Allen sees the LBs cheating into coverage he audibles to the run play. If the LBs are tight to the line, he sticks with the pass play. What a nightmare for the defense.
You just have to pick your poison if you are the defensive coordinator and decide who you are going to cheat on and just pray you don't get burned.
The amount of variations and twists and different combinations that Daboll will be able to scheme up with this "empty" formation will be crazy this year and I expect that we are going to see tons of this 5 WR set this season. The line should give Allen the time and now he has the weapons out there with Diggs in the mix to make it very dangerous for defenses to cheat. I'd love to see Beane pick up a vet WR4 like Rashard Higgins and let him push Duke, Foster, McKenzie and the rookie WR in camp to get on the field.
I don't think Allen is going to have too much trouble throwing for 300 yards in a game this season. This is going to be fun to watch.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the time we saw empty backfields, there was still 11 personnel on the field. We'd just split a RB and TE out wide as well. Put them in interesting orders, though, like putting the TE on one side (or a TE and RB on one side) and everyone else on the other, forcing a CB over to cover the TE, would be interesting. Especially since they'd be more likely to be in their base defense or nickel defense then in a dime formation. Still, you could end up with the same situation you talk about here.
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1 hour ago, Billl said:
You get average at best talent drafting skill position players in mid rounds. Everyone on here talks about how Allen and Mahomes would look if you switched their supporting casts. Then when there’s a potentially elite target that costs what potentially elite targets cost, suddenly everyone’s fine with Great Value brand weapons.
You want to be the one to tell JuJu that he's average at best? How about Tyreek Hill, drafted 166th overall? Stefon Diggs, #146? Davante Adams (#53)? John Brown (#91)? Keenan Allen (#76)? T.Y. Hilton (#92)? Antonio Brown (#192)? AB may have gone insane this past year, but he was one of the best to play the position. WR has become the one position where you can find great players all the way through the draft as long as you know what you're looking for. There are so many different college WRs out there that can each do at least one thing REALLY well. If that WRs skill set matches up with what you want them to do, you can have a star that was drafted late.
Now let's look at the Chiefs WRs: We have Tyreek Hill drafted in the 5th round, Demarcus Robinson in the 4th, and Mecole Hardman was #56 overall. Sammy Watkins was their 4th WR, and he was drafted in the top 10. If you're arguing that we should replicate what the Chiefs have done, you'd be rooting for us to draft those "Great Value brand weapons."
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2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:
You don't remember all the prognosticators calling the Falcons nuts for moving up to draft Jones. How is this any different.
This is very different. Julio Jones was a better prospect than Lamb. More importantly, the OTHER draft prospects are incredibly different. We have probably THE deepest WR class there has ever been coming up this year. Even if you don't get the top two, you're still probably going to get high impact starters throughout the first two to three rounds of the draft. In Julio's draft class? Not so much. There was him and A.J. Green, then...no one. The next WR off the board? Jonathon Baldwin went to the Chiefs at 26. Titus Young was the fourth WR off the board to the Lions at 44. Other than Torrey Smith and Randall Cobb who went in the late 2nd round, and who were never great, but more role players, there's not a single other good WR in the draft other than those top 2. If you did not get one of the top 2 WRs, you essentially didn't get a WR at all in that draft.
Now, if you look at that and still think "Hmm, we should STILL pull a Falcons and make a desperation trade that we hope will work out in order to get one of the top two WR prospects of the class, when there are PLENTY of slightly lesser prospects" then there's really no hope for you as a scout, and I'm glad you're not part of the Bills' organization. Keep in mind that it's not "top two WRs," but "top two WR prospects." There's a definite difference between the two that a lot of people forget.
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28 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
Probably the qb sneak where he fumbled, found it, picked it up and dove for the first. Then got stood up but fought and got the first with the second effort against Dallas
Let's be honest, it can't NOT be this play
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1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:
OK, we all know that people around here just love to cling to their concern, so I've invented a method of measuring the pulse of TSW posters' concern.
Behold: THE CONCERN-O-METER!Now's your chance to go on the record and let free your demons of concern by listing in this thread for all to see your concern level going into the last five games of the year! Without further ado, I ask you this:
On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is Genghis Khan and 10 is a doddering old woman afraid of everything she sees on her day filled with Cable TV news, how concerned are you about the final 5 games of this season?
I'd really like a poll in this thread, in order to see how concerned people are in one glance. Can you make one for us OP?
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I just remembered that that is correct, the Bills haven't gotten to 10 wins in a season since 1999... -
The NFL REALLY needs to stop putting the Giants in prime time slots. I get that NYC is a big market, but they make for an absolutely s*** product on the field. The two Steelers games, the two Giants games, the Redskins game, and the Pats/Jets games are all going to be horrible. The rest...could actually be pretty darn entertaining.
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Honestly, despite Mayfield looking like the best rookie QB last year, at this point I'm putting Mayfield at 4th in the 2nd year QB rankings. Darnold, Allen, and Lamar Jackson all seem like better players right now. I just can't help but feel like those three put a lot more work in to improve in the offseason, while Mayfield is still at where he was last year.
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Interception!!!
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How does Ducasse still have a job?
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Just now, The Bills Blog said:
What are you talking about?
The effort to get onto the ball there. He whiffed on picking it up, ran past it, then kinda just stood and looked at it afterwards instead of just diving on the ball. It would have been 4th down, but we would have punted it, forced them back inside their own 20, instead they got the ball at midfield
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Oh god, Barkley, that was pathetic...
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I'm really amused. We've completely stuffed the Colts run game, so when they just made a 4 yard run on 2nd and 10, the Colts team feed got all excited and was like "He found a seam! He's had our two best runs of the night so far, now!" I'm just sitting there like "calm down, Sassy Pants, it was a 4 yard run."
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Didn't someone mention that they were disappointed by Singletary's showing so far? After this drive, I'm not...
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Our defense is fun to watch...
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Wait, all I have is the Colts feed, but I swear I just heard them say something about an injury to Josh Allen. Did I hear right? Is Allen injured?
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I'm wondering if the run D is looking so good because they don't think Brissett can hurt them, and so are keying in on the run, or if it's actually just so good?
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As weird as it sounds, I can't help but feel like despite the end of that drive, it was still a win for us. We moved the ball down the field with some quick rhythm passing, Josh showing that he can throw underneath, taking what he's given. Not the worst start ever. And if this was a real game, and we could keep doing that, we're going to wear the Colts D out, gash them later on in the game.
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I have trouble with Matt Ryan being just mediocre, and Eli and Newton being "greats." Goff and Wentz are somewhere between the "greats" and "is what it is" category. Trubisky is still fairly young, but I can't help but feel like he should still be in the "is what it is" category. All that being said, plus my personal belief that Rosin, Haskins, and Murray don't have a snowballs chance in hell of being great due to their situations, especially their offensive lines, and I have to agree with you. The future is much brighter in the AFC than the NFC.
However, you do mention that in the NFC there are 5 upper echelon QBs, 3 on their way out the door, but the same is true in the AFC.
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Giants and Dolphins strike me as falling into the "suck for luck" category, the Fins on porpoise, the Giants due to a horrible front office. Redskins drafted a QB, but I still don't expect them to be good. Falling into the second category would probably be the Ravens again. They lost a lot of talent on D, with Suggs, Smith, Mosely, all jumping ship, not to mention John Brown.
Additional teams that strike me as a team where I can't recall any big moves they made or anything that would suggest they noticeably improved at all would be the Titans and Lions. They just seem like teams that are treading water, rather than improving. The Steelers fall into this category for me as well. I don't think they'll be bad, per se, just that they haven't really improved at all from last year, and maybe got a bit worse. Bengals keep trying to redo their OL, but it keeps falling apart on them; the Red Rifle can be fairly decent behind a good line, but has shown he's bad behind a bad OL, which they now have, so I don't hold out much hope for them. I have no faith in Chuckie being able to build a team out in Oakland. The Cardinals are consistently believed to have improved greatly due to the new QB/coach dynamic, but I can't help but feel like they're severely overrated. I'm still looking for them to be picking in the top 5 of the draft next year after doing nothing to improve their OL. -
1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Poyer’s too low.
Definitely. I don't see how the best safety tandem in the game can be rated 86 and 80. Hughes only an 83? Although I am amused that Ed Oliver is already considered better than all but 10 Bills players...
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The Bills had just two guys rated higher than 83, with Micah Hyde at 86, and Tre White at 85. White was tied for the 19th highest rated CB. Both of those two guys got snubbed in my opinion. Who else do you think got majorly snubbed? Here are the rankings:
https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/player-ratings?i=1&t=3&s=ovr_rating:DESC&=undefined -
12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
The video had Jones at a 63 but the official Madden website has Jones at a 65 and Tyree at 64
No, the official website has him at 63 as well.
https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/player-ratings?i=1&p=QB&s=ovr_rating:DESC&utm_campaign=mad20_hd_ww_ic_soco_twt_m20ratingshubtw&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cid=58923&ts=1561998385092
When you filter by QB like I did in that link there, Tyree Jackson is 64, Jones is 63, like in the video. That's EA Sports own website, too.
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