Tim Tindale
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11 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
I don’t have access to a tiny fraction of the data Beane does. I run IVF labs. It would be like having folks here tell me I’m wrong about what embryo to transfer when they haven’t even had high school biology.
Irrational confidence >> training, data, and experience.
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13 minutes ago, JDubya76 said:
Can you imagine with old kickoff rules, this guy coming at you with a 40 yard run up?
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3 minutes ago, Aurelius said:
Plenty of 7th rounders are throwaways, but nice to see an absolute physical specimen that is right now just raw materials. Guy can move like a tight end at 6’7” 300+. Kid ran a 4.79 which is incredible and clocked above 20mph as well. Great type of guy to have on practice squad and develop and see what he can become. Will need strength and a lot to learn but a good gamble to take this late.
Given how raw and athletic he is, I wonder about TE or FB rather than T. Put the ball in his hands.-
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Humph. I had him ranked #238 on my board. But, a top 5 on my Major League Rugby board.
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I mean, I dont want to fall into the trap of your first post, but Benford, Dane Jackson, Poyer (7th round), and Hyde (5th round), all say otherwise.
Matt Milano was a 5th, Kyle Williams was a 5th, Stevie Johnson was a 7th, Nacua was a 5th, Purdy was a 7th, Brady was a 6th, Gabe Davis was a 5th. -
4 minutes ago, Success said:
So?
Are you going for some kind of "gotcha?" I view the draft the same every year. I know next to nothing. I look at a player, and if he has good attributes, I hope for the best.
I try not to be disparaging, but I think they guys who come on here and post "bust" or whatever right away are total clowns. They read a few mocks, watch some youtube, and think they know as much as guys who breathe this stuff every day, all day, 365 days a year.
You think Beane & the scouts missed the fact that he doesn't get "separation?" They obviously like some of his other skills much more.
I mentioned the Josh Allen pick reaction. The Terrel Bernard one is pretty hilarious now too:“I had him as a 6th rounder/Day 3 pick”. Love it. So good.
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26 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:
I’m always amused how convinced people are of their skills in evaluating talent. Puka Nacua ran a 4.57 and was a 5th rounder last year… and caught 100+ balls for nearly 1500 yards. It’s an inexact science at best.
Tee Higgins also ran a 4.59 at the combine. He’s a freak.-
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6 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
Yeesh, some of these takes and comments.
It's all gonna be alright. Let the kid take the field before we decide he's a bust. They'll have a plan for him.
I’m always amused how convinced people are of their skills in evaluating talent. Puka Nacua ran a 4.57 and was a 5th rounder last year… and caught 100+ balls for nearly 1500 yards. It’s an inexact science at best.-
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I’m here for the classic overreactions. The Josh draft thread is like a classic sitcom. The laugh’s never get old.
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On 3/22/2024 at 9:33 AM, QLBillsFan said:
Right! This thread is a joke. None of us know how hard he does or doesn’t work. Based on his performance, leadership, and toughness it appears he works very hard.
And off season is just that-off season. Name a QB who gives more of his heart, soul, and body than Josh? You just don’t see him posting “work outs” all over social media. He needs more rest and to do other things in part of the offseason so that he’s sharp from preseason on. Both physically and mentally. I’m 💯 certain he works out plenty and that he also travels around and has some fun. Suggesting he can’t do both is ridiculous!
I agree with this take. He takes almost as much punishment as an RB1 and throws the ball 35-40 times a game for 20-ish games a year. There isn’t a human on the planet that can withstand that kind of abuse and continue to be successful in game 19 and 20 without being in peak physical condition. To suggest otherwise I personally think is insane.
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38 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:
Honestly, the parallels between where the Chiefs were (Tyreek was getting disenchanted, the Chiefs were strapped for cash, though Hill was two years younger than Steph) and where the Dolphins were (wanted more skill players around a cheap, promising Tua and a young Waddle and had cap room) are notable. No one would have called that trade before it happened either, especially because the Chiefs were trading in conference. One might say that Veach had goodwill to burn after winning the Super Bowl three years before this trade, but the Chiefs had just blown a lead at home in the AFCCG and lost big to the Bucs the year before that. Then they turn around and trade The Cheetah. I’m sure Chiefs’ fans were apoplectic, especially because it was theoretically creating competition within conference. And Tyreek is more of a game-wrecker than Steph.
I just think something is possible here and the odds are higher than “near-zero/impossible”. It doesn’t have to be Houston, but yes, a similar situation where the other franchise has plenty of cap room and a cheap QB in the place where they want to add more talent to the WR room.
Incidentally, I re-looked up some articles written in the immediate aftermath of that Hill-to-the-Dolphins deal. Tyreek was pushing his way out of Kansas City behind the scenes in part because he was unhappy with the number targets he was getting in Reid’s offense. He actually called his agent mid-season and told him he isn’t playing in Kansas City in ‘22. It’s not inconceivable that Steph may be doing the same with the change to Brady. To be fair, he also wanted more money. Steph’s contract is trickier with the dead cap (I think 27MM after June 1st) on Buffalo’s side, though I do wonder if there is restructuring that can be done to work around it.
I’m not saying it’s absolutely going to happen, but I do think the odds are higher than others in this discussion. I think when it comes down to humans and incentives are aligned, things can get done that might seem shocking to outsiders. Anyway, good offseason debate and go Bills!!! Let’s hope Beane pulls off some magic and both improves the cap situation and Josh’s weapons.
Just read that the Chiefs only took a $2.65MM cap hit by trading Tyreek. Puts somewhat of a vat of cold water on that comparison. -
19 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I suppose nothing is a 0% possibility in the NFL. But this is as close as it gets.
Your main argument is they have money. And we don't. But it would cost us money to move on from Diggs and we'd have to replace him on top of it. And if money is no object for them, why not just go out and pay for Texas A&M hero Mike Evans, who wouldn't cost them any Draft compensation?
You also completely ignore one of the biggest issues at play here - why would we help 1 of the 3 other teams in the AFC who made it to the Divisional Playoffs?
Brandon Beane is someone who is careful and looks at all possibilities. And it's easily possible if he made that trade that he'd have to stand up at a Podium at the end of the year and explain why he handed the Texans a weapon that helped eliminate us from the Playoffs.
If he paid money to give a competing team a player that booted us from the Playoffs - that's a fireable offense.
Your argument that maybe they look at Nico Collins as someone they wouldn't want to pay is dubious at best. If you Draft a guy, who at 24 years old is #8 in the NFL in Yardage, no GM would evaluate that and say "not worth paying". You don't see Top 10 WR's at that age on the market, like ever. Teams don't do that. Especially when your young QB became a star using that player as his #1 option and they're growing together.
At 24, he could still get even better than he was this year. No GM is going to make it harder on themselves to bring back an ascending 24 year old star to bring in a 31 year old star. This whole concept you're arguing is a myriad of malpractice by both Brandon Beane and Nick Caserio. And comparing trades in the NFL to trades in the NBA really doesn't help the validity of your arguments.
Honestly, the parallels between where the Chiefs were (Tyreek was getting disenchanted, the Chiefs were strapped for cash, though Hill was two years younger than Steph) and where the Dolphins were (wanted more skill players around a cheap, promising Tua and a young Waddle and had cap room) are notable. No one would have called that trade before it happened either, especially because the Chiefs were trading in conference. One might say that Veach had goodwill to burn after winning the Super Bowl three years before this trade, but the Chiefs had just blown a lead at home in the AFCCG and lost big to the Bucs the year before that. Then they turn around and trade The Cheetah. I’m sure Chiefs’ fans were apoplectic, especially because it was theoretically creating competition within conference. And Tyreek is more of a game-wrecker than Steph.
I just think something is possible here and the odds are higher than “near-zero/impossible”. It doesn’t have to be Houston, but yes, a similar situation where the other franchise has plenty of cap room and a cheap QB in the place where they want to add more talent to the WR room.
Incidentally, I re-looked up some articles written in the immediate aftermath of that Hill-to-the-Dolphins deal. Tyreek was pushing his way out of Kansas City behind the scenes in part because he was unhappy with the number targets he was getting in Reid’s offense. He actually called his agent mid-season and told him he isn’t playing in Kansas City in ‘22. It’s not inconceivable that Steph may be doing the same with the change to Brady. To be fair, he also wanted more money. Steph’s contract is trickier with the dead cap (I think 27MM after June 1st) on Buffalo’s side, though I do wonder if there is restructuring that can be done to work around it.
I’m not saying it’s absolutely going to happen, but I do think the odds are higher than others in this discussion. I think when it comes down to humans and incentives are aligned, things can get done that might seem shocking to outsiders. Anyway, good offseason debate and go Bills!!! Let’s hope Beane pulls off some magic and both improves the cap situation and Josh’s weapons.
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18 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:
so they wouldn’t pay Collins but gladly pay up for Diggs who’s 7 years older? Sure1) You have no idea how they grade out their own players, especially after only one good year in Nico’s case (after two below average years without Stroud).
2) They are $60MM under the cap currently in 2024 and over $100MM+ in 2025, with a franchise QB already in place on the cheap. That affords them an awful lot of flexibility.
I don’t why I’m pushing this, honestly. I just hate the implicit “zero percent probability” comments. We have no idea how either GM might attack this when you have lighter skill talent, a cheap stud QB, and a ton of cap flexibility on one side and the other side is more aged and in cap hell. These types trades happen in the NBA quite often. I just don’t see why it’s just so impossible in this case.
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8 hours ago, Beck Water said:
So lemme get this straight.
You're saying that the Texans would trade something of significant value (to make up for the cap hit we'd take) for Diggs (age 30, 13th in receiving yards), in order to pay Diggs $18.5M this year, $18 next year, and $19M in 2026, because they still have Collins (age 24, 8th in receiving yards) on a cheap contract through 2024 and they might have to franchise tag him (last year WR franchise tag was $19.7M) if they can't reach agreement on a deal?
So the Texans may not want to go to the draft for a top WR because you have to hit the pick correctly, but the Bills (who lack the cap $$ to sign a top FA) should trade away Diggs and put themselves in a position where they absolutely MUST go to the draft and hit the pick correctly?
Make it make sense
First, I’m not saying it will happen. My point was more pushing back against the hyperbolic “it would NEVER happen”. I think it can make sense for both sides.
The post mentioned that Houston’s WR room is loaded. It’s not - Nico is a nice receiver, but he really hadn’t done much before Stroud arrived this year and Houston could come to the conclusion his big year was a product of Stroud. Just because he is young and put up a big year, it doesn’t follow he’s an alpha 1a that can command double-teams, you can count on for 100 catches per year going forward, etc. There are plenty examples of young WR’s who put up big years with great QB’s as the WR1, but weren’t really top 10 WR’s and you wouldn’t want to pay him as such (e.g. a 22-year old JuJu Smith Schuster in 2018 comes to mind, or 24-year-old Steve Smith for the Giants, who went for 107-1220-7 with Eli and never cracked 600 thereafter). Just because average fan says “Nico is young and put up a big year” doesn’t mean Houston will come to the conclusion that he should be paid WR1 money in 2025.
Or, Houston could come to a different conclusion - we won’t have to pay Stroud for a few years. That allows us to tie up Collins and another established WR with a big contract to pair with Stroud for three years. That’s a luxury when you have a top 5-7 QB on a rookie deal. Maybe they decide to go “all in” in 2024 given how cheap and young that roster is. They certainly can worry about how many established playmakers they have around Stroud, especially after Dell broke his fibula late in the year. You may wonder what you are going to get from guy who relies on speed prospectively.
I push back on “Houston would never do that and especially because that WR room is loaded.” It’s not, and they have plenty of wiggle room given they aren’t paying anyone on the offensive side of the ball. It really not crazy at all from their side.
As for Beane, I’m struck by Diggs’ comment that, and I’m paraphrasing, “we will see how this offseason goes, it’s a business, and I hope I’m in Buffalo”. I know it’s Diggs and he stirs the pot, but that sounded like he’s preparing for the possibility that he could be elsewhere. The facts are the Bills are way over the cap, you have Diggs on a massive deal, is it so unreasonable that Beane decides to get out from under that contract to a team that has maximum cap flexibility?
You can’t act like it’s the craziest thing you have ever heard when a few years ago, Minnesota was us (mercurial WR, unload contract) and we were Houston (young QB, cheap, flexible roster).
Again, I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but I certainly can understand both sides (more so than the standard “it’s crazy and it will never happen”.) And, if that’s true, I won’t feign absolute shock when it does.
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38 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Oh joy! You've found your ErieCountyBulls for this season and he's a poster on this board. Wonderful. I can't wait to hear "BuffaloBaumer said" up until the Draft, like it's some sort of proof positive to this nonsense.
Houston makes very little sense. They have Nico Collins, Tank Dell, John Metchie, and Robert Woods. They've spent a 2nd and two 3rds over the past 3 Drafts to acquire them and are in really good shape in that room. Now they're going to pay for Diggs' massive bag of money and spend a 1st as well on top of all of that, when their room is already very good and growing/developing?
Now let's look at the next part of it that makes no sense - why would we help Houston? They, like us were one of the final 4 teams in the AFC. We're in direct competition with them. So now we're going to give them a final piece to help push them over the top? In our own path? In exchange for a lottery ticket and paying money out of pocket to do so? No f'n way.
Even if you were to entertain the idea that this is possible or likely, which it absolutely isn't - we wouldn't trade him to an AFC contender.
Honestly, while I have no idea if this rumor has merit, identifying Houston as a landing spot isn’t crazy at all:1). Nico Collins is on the last year of his rookie deal in 2024. He’s going to want 1a WR money. Is that the WR you want to pair with Stroud and pay 1a money to? I would be questioning that.
2) Tank Dell is a 5’8” 165-pound slot receiver on a rookie contract coming off a major injury. It’s irrelevant to whether you want to bring in an expensive WR1 to pair with Stroud.
3) Metchie is one year removed from leukemia with two years left on a rookie deal. He caught 16 balls this year for 160 yards. I mean, WR4 perhaps?
4) Robert Woods will be 32 next year coming off a 40-catch season with one year left on his contract. He’s maybe a JAG, at best, at this point in his career.
5) If I’m Houston, I’m trying to find my Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee Lamb, or dare I say, Steph Diggs to pair with my franchise QB. A Ferrari at WR1 that I’m willing to pay. Tee Higgins fits the bill but he is probably going to get franchised, and then you have to outbid other suitors after 2024. You can go the draft, but you have to hit the pick correctly.
I don’t view that WR room as loaded at all and Diggs makes a lot of sense there, particularly if the WR1 is not in the building. Niko Collins may not be the guy you want to pay top 10 WR money to after next season.
They have the room because Collins and Stroud are on rookie contracts.
I mean, it’s not a crazy rumor at all from Houston’s side.
If you are Beane/Bills, you make the deal because you think Houston believes Diggs is still a top 10 WR while you are convinced he’s on the decline with a massive contract.
Seems like a reasonable rumor to me.
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12 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
No, that was Ray Lewis. He only killed a guy
The Baltimore Ravens are making a terrible mistake honoring Ray Rice. He's no 'legend'
When discussing what is the utterly disastrous and staggeringly tone-deaf decision the Ravens made in honoring Ray Rice on Sunday as a “Legend of the Game,” a Ravens tradition that recognizes a former player for his accomplishments on and off the field, we need to go back in time. We need to go a dimly lit elevator at an Atlantic City hotel. We need to go to a moment that was so brutal it became one of the biggest stories in the country and was even addressed by the President of the United States.
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On 1/20/2024 at 6:15 PM, Patrick Fitzryan said:
Anytime Lamar runs into a coach in the postseason who has any defensive acumen, he turns into a poor man's Tyrod Taylor. He's not as good as Allen, Burrow, or Mahomes, for sure, and I don't think as good as A- guys like Herbert and Hurts either.
Herbert is going to continue to be the highest multiple stock on the planet. He gets a pass because he has a one-game playoff resume. You can’t struggle on the big stage if you don’t actually play in the games.-
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4 minutes ago, Fetou said:
I have no confidence in the McDermott playoff defense against a good coach & QB even if everybody was healthy. I sympathize this year with the depletion and in isolation I think it would be perfectly acceptable to have a bad defensive performance, but they've been gutted with little resistance every time they've played Mahomes/Burrow in January for nearly half a decade now
The Chiefs have 17 at halftime against the best defense in the league. This is starting to look like a beat down. Ravens should fire Harbaugh, I guess. He has thrown away two MVP Lamar seasons in the last five years.-
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I don’t know… watching this Ravens/Chiefs game. We were an even somewhat healthy defense away from being the AFC champs. The Ravens look like inferior team here, at home, and it’s not really close.
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1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:
I truly hope the Bills don't waste money on FA WRs this year. This draft has some that can contribute on day 1
Tee Higgins is a 25 year old game wrecker and would be a great fit on the Bills. Worth it, full stop. If he ends up back on the Bengals on a long term deal, it’d be miserable… only surpassed by landing on the Chiefs in a long term deal. -
4 hours ago, Roundybout said:
Every quarterback hits the links. Manning did, Mahomes does, Rogers does, etc.
The only guy who worked out every day over the summer that I can think of was JJ Watt, and he was a complete psychopath
…and constantly injured. The Josh narrative of a lack of commitment doesn’t square at all with amount of punishment that man takes at that position. And he is rarely hurt.1 hour ago, ngbills said:Watching the effort it took our O to score vs the effort KC required is like watching a little kid trying his hardest against his big brother letting him keep it close but not win.
You mean the team we beat at their place a few weeks back, where “big brother” had a meltdown and cried to mommy (the refs, the media, Josh in the post-game handshake) because things didn’t go his way?-
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Bills 28-23
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6 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:
What did Gisele B say ?
He can’t catch the balls too.
The Steelers D was a legit opponent out there and we hung 31 on them.
Next week is scary but winnable.
If Bass didn’t have the yips, it’s 37.
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11 minutes ago, Success said:
Not for Mahomes. He won that game.
He's a baby when he loses. Never seen a QB act like he did.
Brady was notorious for exactly this. Only, he won 7 rings so we let it slide.
Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
I heard that neither kids or pets trust Claypool.
PASS.