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Straight into the dumpster. That's where this team will go. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The team would be in the playoffs this year with even an average defense. So the logic around here for so many is to dump Tyrod and start over....going with NO ONE. Even the rosiest fantasies involve striking gold in a BAD QB draft or Tony Romo? Come on. As the deadspin article that just ran points out, Tyrod is more of a known commodity than the Jimmy G's and other awful pipe dreams fans here seem to cling to. Tyrod's a good QB. Denver won with just a good QB last year. KC may win it all with just a good QB this year. Buffalo has a lot of talent on the roster, and dumping a good QB to chase a hypothetical better one means this team is going down the crapper if they dump Tyrod.
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This is a reasonable take. No way they have completely moved off Tyrod as much as some would like.
I REALLY hope this is the thinking. It terrifies me that the front office may be as reactionary as the fans these days and want to toss Tyrod to the curb with no better option. Tyrod and even an average D would be in the playoffs this year. How do so many people seem to miss this?
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To me it would make absolutely no sense to not pick up the option on Tyrod. Okay, if Brees or Rivers were available and willing to come here, then yes buh bye Tyrod, nice knowing ya. But let's be serious. I seriously think their is about a 1% chance that happens. Please do not bring up Romo, who was never quite on that tier and has had continuous serious injuries over the last few years. Let Tyrod walk to watch Romo get injured in game 1 and retire? I don't think so.
If we are going to replace Tyrod, where is that replacement going to come from? The draft is where you are going to find your guy. I think we should definitely be drafting more QB's but that doesn't mean they have to start right away. Yes if we are going QB in the top ten, I am a believer you should be going with that guy from day one, but we have learned with players like Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott, that you don't have to get your QB in round one. That said two of those guys started as rookies and have be great thus far. I think you re-up Tyrod and put more a an emphasis on drafting QB's and if one can beat Tyrod out that is great. If Tyrod can elevate his play and solidify his position as a starter, that is great.
Tyrod's contract is very low for a QB and if we were to draft somebody who panned out, Tyrod's contract would run out before we had to pay the new guy. Tyrod's extension will have no bearing on our ability to keep another QB should we find one that we think can be great. Even if Tyrod regresses and we want to cut him, his dead cap space is extremely low and would have little affect on the roster. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/
I know we have statistically, the worst passing game in the NFL. I wish we could have what we had with the K-Gun in the 90's but that isn't happening unless we draft someone who is really good. So we aren't going to have that great passing game just yet but we do have the best running game in the NFL both by yards and yards per carry. I do like that we are going against the grain and doing the exact opposite of what everyone else is doing. I also don't think we have peaked yet as an offense and we won't this season. I think if we improve the RT position, be savvy in free agency and add some useful veteran receivers, and give Anthonly Lynn an off-season to fine tune the offense. We could be very good next season.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!
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Do some people here even follow the league? He is one of the hottest names on the market in terms of head coaches. Does that mean that it will work -who knows but they certainly won't be criticized for it?
Fans at TSW don't care. They want Taylor gone too. Big picture thinking isn't what people do here. Sadly it's that grotesque lack of foresight that dooms OBD too.
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I'm somewhat shocked by the clamoring to dump Tyrod. Even picking up his full contract, Tyrod would seem like a relative deal at this point. In a league were Chase Daniels makes $7M, Brock Oswhiler makes $17M a year and guys like Bradford are being traded for 1st Round draft picks....Tyrod's contract will pay him an average of $16M a year....really it's a contract for $27M next year and $14M a year there after. Do people here who want Tyrod gone think there aren't multiple teams who would eagerly pay that much for Tyrod in a FA market with only one other possible starter, who's old and almost dead (Romo). Does the fact that there is literally no better option available not scare the anti- Tyrod crowd?
It's like Ron Burgundy jumping into the bear pit. If Tyrod gets cut and signs a $17M a year deal with the Jets, Browns, Bears, Niners etc...will people not immediately regret the decision?
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Really ummm ok. That route was perfectly designed for that coverage. That was no ones fault learn the game a bit ok.
I see Gilmore's agent is busy posting today.
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Gilmore proves he's still the most overrated CB in the NFL. There are bad contract years, there are horrible contract years, and then there's Gilmore this year. The only thing that keeps me from throwing my remote through the TV every week when he gives up massive plays and points is remembering how much money that chump is costing himself. If Whaley even answers a call from Gilmore's agent this offseason he should be fired on the spot.
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NIN, Every Day Is Exactly The Same
"I believe I can see the future
Cause I repeat the same routines"
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BENCH Gilmore. Every week this guy gives up an easy TD. I have never seen a guy fold so bad in a contract year.
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Gilmore is weak and a joke against the run and against big WRs. Luckily he'll pay for this nonsense this offseason.
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Kim & Terry - give Josh an offer he cannot refuse.http://nesn.com/2016/09/josh-mcdaniels-reportedly-plans-to-leave-patriots-pursue-head-coaching-job-in-2017/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Very good idea. Pats assitant coaches have always done well when given HC opportunities outside of New England. Oh.......wait, they've all failed? Well then this is a horrible idea.
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I looked at this two different ways. Before the game when this broke I was shocked and figured this was a boneheaded move. After the game watching how the D played etc, I began to think this was a rationally calculated move. Rex has this team believing in him, his system, and themselves. Last year he let cancerous guys like Mario (and Dareus) infect the rest of the team and destroy the team culture. This year Rex has got the momentum and they decided to cut a poor performer to keep things going the right direction. Williams showed a lot of promise and may blossom elsewhere, but as long as the team is pulling one direction behind Rex I'm not going to question cutting an underperformed / new potential locker room cancer.
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you mean like our pro-bowl guard incognito?
Picking on a 6'7" 285 pound OT is FAR different than beating the heck out of a 125 pound woman.
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Toronto Buffaloes. Just get used to saying it, because that's what we're gonna be. Obviously, Goodell doesn't want a team in Buffalo, and wants to expand internationally. He thought he would finally see his dream come true, but alas, Terry Pegula (owner of the Sabres, NFL rules be damned) came in and saved the day. For now.
Now all the bull **** about needing a new stadium. C'mon Roger, at least try to hide it. Pair that with Bon Jovi now doing commercials for DirecTV, the official carrier of NFL Sunday ticket, and it's obvious to any moron not wearing Bills colored sunglasses what's going on.
Quid pro quo. Bon Jovi scratches Goodell's back, Goodell scratches his. Do some promotion for one of our biggest sponsors, and when I determine that the Bills stadium is out of date, that team you wanted so bad is now yours.
I tell you what though, Bon Jovi isn't moving this team without a fight. I love this team too much.
This is nonsense. Pegula is a billionaire who doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to. Pegula and Kim will own the Bills long after Goddell is goodbye. Pegula is doing ALL the right things to keep the Bills in Buffalo. An old but functional stadium is the best profit center an NFL team can have in a small market. A new stadium is the anchor that sinks a small market team with giant payments it can't afford. Pegula knows the only way the Bills continue to make great money is for them to play in what is in essence a virtually free stadium. He has that now, and IF things break just right he might be able to get a similar deal in the future with the City picking up the vast majority of the tab on a new stadium as well.
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I really hope Whaley stays, he's been the best at drafting talent this team has had in decades.
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I can't help but think that if we kept Freddy and Matt, we'd be sitting at 7-2 right now, at worst 6-3.
EJ and Boobie lost those games. With Freddie in the mix, he is fresh against the Giants and Jags and carries us through plus Matty doesn't make those bonehead EJ mistakes.
For all the good Whaley has done, this one is on him. Should never have cut Fred and traded Cassel.
You must not have seen Cassel play football this year. If you had this statement would be seen as insane.
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Whaley pulled 2 good starters at critical positions and one backup who'd start for a lot of teams out of a draft he had no first round pick (his fault I know). He signed a guy who has a shot of being a long term solution for the Bills at QB (first since Kelly) brought in a great TE, and vastly upgraded another starting position OG, on the cheap with incognito. Then he basically recouped his one big mistake of the offseason by turfing Cassel for a pick. I know he's a popular target for people on this board to tee off on, but has any GM done a better job this year?
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A loss tonight and it's all over....unless of course the Bills pull a real switch and lose tonight but win next Monday.
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qb passer rating today
EJ - 75.3
MC - 62.3
I was all ready to come eat crow for all my Cassel bashing, but then he totally bailed me out. He sucked worse than EJ and gave me the best told you so moment at a party. A room full of cowboy fans, 4th and 8 with the game in the balance I told everyone Cassel would throw it short to an RB who had zero chance of the first. On cue the ball was snapped and Cassel did exactly this. EJ sucks because he's mistake prone. He's the guy in the bar who hits on EVERY girl and as a result has a 1 for 50 ratio, while Cassel is the gutless chicken who never asks a single girl and always goes home a loser.
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So are we supposed to back away from the ledge to make room for EJ to take his swan dive? Or just get a better running start for our collective header as fans? Lose to the Jags - season is over.
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I think that will be the majority's belief, me included. Penalties, injuries, and the overall team's performance has left much to be desired. If we lose to Jacksonville in London, a VERY REAL possibility, we can all pack it in as the drought will continue.
If the Bills lose to the Jags in London the season is OVER. This team won't win 8 games if they can't beat an AWFUL Jags team in London.
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Not currently and they may never miss him.
Browns, Colts, Fish and Washington (with a depleted team) and a L to the 0-2 Iggles.
Kudos to them for a relatively soft schedule. Their test will be this week versus the Pats
+1. I'm fairly certain Rex and the Bills would be 4-1 vs that schedule too. Not saying I'm not pissed at how bad the team has looked...especially a defense that has been very healthy compared to the offense, but the Bills lost to a Giants team they should have beat and two undefeated teams that were healthy and just aren't as good as.
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The issue is bigger than just Matt Cassel and what armchair types think of him. It's about a coaching staff that identified him as the backup who was traded for nothing to help them this year. And how that transaction puts in the guy that same coaching staff said was the 3rd stringer.
Player personnel is a nuanced subject owing to its inherent shared responsibility between front office and coaching staff. The issue is whether the trading of Cassel was conducted to permit Manuel to dress, and in case of injury, play. That leads directly to the GM who needs his most noteworthy draft pick on the field to save face. If Manuel doesn't play well Whaley should be held accountable.
Admittedly I don't know if EJ will play well. I imagine that anyone the Bills start under center this week will look awful vs the Bengals in the Bills current offense. But surely if Cassel looks like, well Cassel, down in Dallas this week the constant refrain of "Whaley screwed up ditching him" should die down. Cassel is awful as a starting QB, the past 5 years provide concrete proof of that. That doesn't mean there weren't reasons they wanted him around or were mistaken to bring him back at a reduced salary (veteran leadership in the meeting rooms was often mentioned). If Manuel doesn't play well, Whaley is accountable, but my point, which I think Cassel will make for me Sunday, is that Cassel would be an even worse option come Sunday. I think a ton of people are underestimating Manuel. From what I've seen the past two years and this preseason I'd take him over half the backup QBs in the league. Guess we'll find out more Sunday, but for now I just can't condemn a GM who kept an above average backup QB as his backup QB. EJ is 6-8 as a starter....is only in his third year in the league. Has a career rating of 78.5 which over the past two years is better than Cassel's and is 10 years younger. We are comparing a young guy who could get better to an old guy who will only get worse. Sunday Cassel will show everyone that he not only has no future, he is worthless in the present.
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Earliest Aaron Williams (short term I-R) can be back to practice is Nov. 25, 1st game Wk 14 at Philly. #Bills http://ow.ly/ToINA
In time for the playoff push! AW being out till December won't doom the Bills....it's the offensive players not seeing the field that could.
Tyrod Haters
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Take a good look at your future if the Bills are dumb enough to dump Tyrod. He isn't perfect but there's no one on their roster who isn't FAR worse. He's an average QB who the Bills have an opportunity to lock down for an average salary. The choice is binary, stick it out with him or hit reset and get ready for 3-4 years of total misery, barring a Dak Prescott / Tom Brady miracle.