liverpoolkev
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Kawika Mitchell is the scumbag. Who is that underachiever to be calling out guys that he's never played with? F--- him.
Incognito has a clean slate in Buffalo as far as I'm concerned.
And quite frankly, I'd like to see someone on that offense get a little scrappy with the opposition for a change.
That is funny since you dont want to give Vick one ? When Vick arrives this winter I hope your clean slate will still apply.
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We Will get Vick for free , there is no need to trade Vick will be released by after there playoffs .No way they pay 5 mill while he is 3rd string
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No way I have seen Tavaris Jackson bounce a pass off the ground to a wide open wide receiver 3 yards away with absolutely no pressure on him. My dad is a Vikings fan and saw Jackson almost every game and knew the guy was terrible. He only finished strong because the Vikes took the ball away from him and just asked him to manage games and put the ball in the hands of AP.
Jackson is a guy who needs a great supporting cast to succeed and Buffalo doesn't have the kind of cast the Vikes had. Culpepper and Batch are backups at this point and the odds of them having a late career Renaissance is slim. I think Culpepper has a chance to be a Rich Gannon type but he needs a good situation to do that. Pennington is the exact kind of QB that wins in less then stellar situations (Fins last year won a lot by playing tight and not turning the ball over).
You do realize they had both a decent Line and a heck of a running combo ......Penny couldnt do crap they wouldnt have a come up with wildcat if he was a decent QB on his own ........................stop with the Penny love......lol.......Defense respect fear and Penny provides none of that
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Defenses aren't afraid of Vick throwing the Ball. Teams don't fear guys who are inaccurate and careless with the ball. The Vick won that game against Green Bay was what 7 years ago. Vick next year will be an athletic QB whose skills will be eroding thanks to his age (Past the 30 years old mark) and he has had a big two year absence in his career AND in his come back tour he hasn't played any serious snaps.
So rather then take a guy with 5 playoff appearances, a guy who has played in cold weather, won this division multiple times, and is an accurate passer you want a guy with accuracy issues, a guy who hasn't had meaningful playing time in over three seasons, a guy who hasn't had a whole lot of experience in cold weather, and a guy who best skill set (His legs) are only prone to decline due to his age.
Give me the savvy professional in Chad Pennington. Yes there are the injuries BUT he has been discounted more then once in his career and knows how to battle back from injuries. Yeah he struggles to get the ball out quick past the 25 yard mark BUT he does win when healthy and can put guys in positions to make plays.
Heck Bledsoe was savy but he cant get a way from this Line ....You keep saying if Penny is this if Penny is That ....the fact is Defenses dont fear him . I felt very comfy(as a Bills fan) when we faced Chad because I KNOW WE CAN DEFEND HIM EASILY.I will take my chances on what Defenses fear not a good ole guy.....we have enough Schoebels,Kelsays ,Dennys on the team . I Admire your support for PENNY (even hurt you try to defend him thats cool thats what you look for ).But have that same love for the BIlls because he (VICK)will be the QB due whats not out there and then we can focus on the LINES
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Actually he is not a FA. He signed a 2 year deal with the Eagles. Unless they cut him of course. Here's my list of FA QBs I'd take in order: Kyle Orton, Chad Pennington (if healthy), Tavaris Jackson, Jeff Garcia, Duante Culpepper, Charlie Batch. Except for Kyle, all stopgaps, but I'm OK with that.
He wll be cut so its just the same as FA in my book ..........................If you are fine with that list........ Vick will have no problem knocking that weak group of QB prospects out that you have in order (Thank God Bills not looking at your weak list what a JOKE)
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Actually he is not a FA. He signed a 2 year deal with the Eagles. Unless they cut him of course. Here's my list of FA QBs I'd take in order: Kyle Orton, Chad Pennington (if healthy), Tavaris Jackson, Jeff Garcia, Duante Culpepper, Charlie Batch. Except for Kyle, all stopgaps, but I'm OK with that.
They already said that they will cut him ......they will not have a 5 mill player not playing with Big Mac there
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5 playoff appearances was Pennington Vick had 2 or 3. And you continue to ignore Vicks accuracy issues and the fact that he hasn't started FOR 4 years. Also Vick has Started only in Atlanta a dome and in a hot weather division. Pennington is 33 But his skill set is not as prone to decline at that age.
My friend you are still ignoring the fact that Penny is easy to defend .You for get that Vick played and singlehandly beat Bret Farve at home for Division championship in January.We can go on and on the fact is Penny is done. You did your argument a disservice when you said that Penny age is not prone to decline at that age ......his lack of arm-strength for Buffalo winter ,no Offensive line and inability to strech a high school defense leave your argument HOLLOW AT BEST. If you are a BILLS fan (I believe that you are) just give Vick all the support you can because you and I want the same thing which is a good BILLS football product............People he will be A BILL so get over it .....................there is nothing better out there not Broehm, Orton , Culpepper, I mean no one .....
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Defenses aren't afraid of Vick throwing the Ball. Teams don't fear guys who are inaccurate and careless with the ball. The Vick won that game against Green Bay was what 7 years ago. Vick next year will be an athletic QB whose skills will be eroding thanks to his age (Past the 30 years old mark) and he has had a big two year absence in his career AND in his come back tour he hasn't played any serious snaps.
So rather then take a guy with 5 playoff appearances, a guy who has played in cold weather, won this division multiple times, and is an accurate passer you want a guy with accuracy issues, a guy who hasn't had meaningful playing time in over three seasons, a guy who hasn't had a whole lot of experience in cold weather, and a guy who best skill set (His legs) are only prone to decline due to his age.
Give me the savvy professional in Chad Pennington. Yes there are the injuries BUT he has been discounted more then once in his career and knows how to battle back from injuries. Yeah he struggles to get the ball out quick past the 25 yard mark BUT he does win when healthy and can put guys in positions to make plays.
Thats funny because the Jets Head Coach is still afraid of Vick. The five playoff appearances you are talking about is Vick correct .Who has a arm that can throw and win playoff games on the road(Green Bay) in this weather .Did you forget our Line ? I hope not . We know Bledsoe was better than Penny and our line couldnt protect Bledsoe and it will not protect Penny. Vick is younger than Penny(you did know that?) so when you say decline in age with three throwing arm injuries who are you referring to IT MUST BE PENNY AGAIN. people I know that some people will never accept Vick.But face facts there is not a QB in FA that present DEFENSES WITH A PERSON THEY HAVE TO GAME PLAN FOR ..................SORRY VICK WILL COME TO BUFFALO because he is the best FA QB available....
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Yeah its not like Vick has no limitations even when healthy Vick was never an accurate passer. Now you give a athletic QB with accuracy issues who is 3 years older and had 2 years of no football what so ever and his one year back he hasn't played all that much. Give me a accurate passer who has won this division played in 7 playoff games with a pair of victories and a guy who is going to be a great leader and mentor. Yes he has injury issues and yes he has arm strength issues BUT the guy's positives far out weigh the negatives.
I know a lot of you see it this way Chad Pennington = Trent Edwards BUT the key difference is that Pennington is able to work the 15-25 yard range very well and while he isn't a play maker he does do a good job of putting his play makers in a position to make plays (Which is something a QB in Buffalo hasn't been able to do in a long time).
Pennington positives cant get the Ball to a receiver on a 15 yrd out, he is tooooo easyyyyy to defend. Did you forget that our Line is terrible...Give me a Passer That Defenses are scared of. Vick went into GREENBAY AND WON A DIVISION championship.Fact is Penny arm is not worth a penny right now plus he had how many operations on a throwing shoulder that he already cant throw far with?.............really so you will take that ? You can have it on your team ...............Vick will be on the Bills so brace yourself because there is nothing better on the FA market . We will continue to build both Lines through the Draft we just dont have the talent now. So get ready I will get my Buffalo Bills Vick jersey next season I cant wait
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Noodle arm Pennington when healthy is a winning QB (took the Fins to the Division title just last season) and knows this division well. Not going to deny he has limitations BUT as a one or two year stop gap situation he is perfect for Buffalo use the top 2 picks to get these lines in order while Pennington gets a run with this team. Unlike Edwards Pennington has won in the NFL on two teams and in multiple seasons with the Jets
Keep in mind if we go QB round 1 then our O-line is going to be a mess and Pennington can be the guy to take the hits and let the rookie learn. When was the last time the Bills had a QB that had 2 division titles and 4 playoff appearances and two playoff victories (Also took the Jets to within a missed field goal of a AFC title game)? Also unlike Bledsoe we didn't have to give up a draft choice to get him and the guy has a chip on his shoulder.
Thats why we will go with M. Vick, not a noddle arm with what you call"Limitations" .
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Tom Brady and Chad Pennington are the last two QB's to win the AFC east since 2001. Now we all know that Trent is not the answer and Fitz is no more then a good backup. Brohm is a project and won't start next season or maybe not the year after if ever. Now even if we go QB round 1 (I think LT is the better pick philosophically but its all Dependant on the guys actually available) Pennington is a great guy to have a young guy sit and learn for a year from him.
Derrick Johnson is a guy on the outs in KC because he isn't a fit for the scheme. Now if we maintain a 4-3 he is a good fit for that scheme and due to his dropped value could be had at a very reasonable price (Around the same deal we gave Mitchell) and help out this much hindered run D.
Both could be had both fit a need and could be had. Draft a LT in round 1, Draft a DT in round 2, and sign Pennington and Derrick Johnson and this team fills 4 needs going into next season. Seems like a plan?
You dont want Vick but you want noodle arm Pennington....................really.......... I'll pass , instead I'll take M.Vick and D.Johnson . I want people that defenses have to game Plan we have a pennington already his name is Edwards........he can play on your team as long as its not the Bills.
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Right now, Cleveland, St. Louis, Washington and Oakland are all ahead of us....pretty good chance that 4 QBS are gone. I think jumping ahead of Washington is the key as we draft a QB and work with him a year before he starts. Fans have waited this long so why not rebuild the proper way. GET A LEADER!!
No the proper way is get a Line that can block.......A line that can tackle...................how about some LB's..... we have none, heck as bad as the Offense has been our Defense has been terrible for the past 3 yrs..We are dead last on D--now and been close to that for the past 4 years...Lets fix it this offseson/draft. I hope everyone in front of us take a QB so we can have the best Lineman or LB available
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No to drafting a
Qb ......build both lines 
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Wgr people are no more credible than you and I making comments on the Bills. Schopp is a joke this so called Sports station is the same group that a couple of weeks ago had fantasy draft for TV / Movie stars .are they serious.wow that was real sports related.......you cant expect them to do anything credible as far as Sports are concerned. They are nothing more than the two stooges. A real embarassment for sport radio in Buffalo. Its so sad that thier is such a lack of radio talent is this town .
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You guys can't be serious about Tebow , Kelly cant evaluate talent no more than Levy can...which isnt saying much .Tebow remind me of the Nebraska QB that won all of those games good runner , so so passer but skills will never transfer to the pro game . l will be more than happy to let some other team make that mistake, we need to continue to build both lines and we will be just fine
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Dont get me started on the lack of RUSS acquiring Vick .We could have signed him for the same contract that Fitzgerald has. At least Vick would force Defenses to play more honest .Hell even a rusty Vick will get the ball down field more than Check-Down Trent . Do you guys know we have 15 million in receivers and our QB focus on Derek Fine on 4 yrd outs. Talking about wasting money........WTF!!!!!!!!!!
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The Pats defend against the QB. They know that edwards doesnt have faith in his arm so the Pats dont have to worry about Edwards/Owens going deep. They know he will check down ....until Edwards make an effort to throw long we will have two toys that will never get used properly.
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Neither the best player was Vick and would have been realativly cheap anything else is not worth discussing we need PLAYMAKERS not players we have enough of the (Kelsays, Schoebels , Hamdens,) of the world
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Peters is a very talented player no doubt. He also is/was essentially a malcontent at least with the Bills. The Bills took a chance on him and signed him as an undrafted free agent. He developed well and became a dominant player. Then he became a distraction due to his contract of which the Bills had already redone once before. He held out last training camp and Langston Walker moved over to LT. The Bills thought Walker could play LT. Peters held out all training camp and reported in time to play the regular season. Despite making the Pro Bowl for the second time, most Bills fans realized that Peters did not have a good year. So the Bills trade Peters for draft picks and they think Walker can play LT. Walker played RT fairly decent last year and should remain at RT. The Bills have become so inept that they can't even evaluate the current roster talent let alone college talent. Ridding themselves of Peters was the right move but they should have drafted a LT in this years draft. That is where they screwed up along with keeping Dick Jauron.
HELL wouldnt you be malcontent if people coming from outside the organization is getting stupid contracts that was more 2-3 times more than you was receiving but they wanted you to wait. I knew the moment we picked up Dockery we was in trouble with Peters because we paid Left tackle Money to a Left Guard .Would you have waited two years after watching substand play to get a Pay Raise...........No you would have acted just like he did when substandard people on Offense and Defensive for that matter is getting paid more (Kelsey,Schoebel,Dockery,Walker) those stupid contracts forced us to lose our Best Lineman ....................Not Peters attitude..................you do understand how Young Peters is correct ......We should have paid him pick up Wood and our line would have been in much better shape than it is now .........................geeezzzzzzzzzzz people wake up .............OUR GM IS A JOKE AND SHOULD BE SUED FOR FOOTBALL MALPRACTICE HE IS THAT BAD........ JUST LOOK AT OUR PERSONNEL........ LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS OF THIS PERSONNEL.....................ITS SAD
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When Hell freezes over ...................We wanted a real QB and we let him go to the Eagles for Nothing. If I was Vick and I ws looking at Edwards play (or try to ) I wouldnt want the organization to tell me that I didnt have chance to start and have to at "captain check down ". Lets face it all of our QB are substandard.... If we have to go down lets go inflames the talent they have assembled is a joke (KELSAY,DENNEY, SCHOEBEL TO NAME JUST A FEW) ........Hiring Dick set the team back 3 years and giving him an extension last year was just a another bad move by a incompetent GM ........................sorry for the rant . Thank God this Coaching Staff doesn't have long before they are sent packing ......The 3-4 will be back and Marty- Ball will be in full effect...................I guess I can Dream
Does Michael Vick Still have what it takes?
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Thank god any of those options you mentioned would have zero chance of being a BILL ..............count your blessing that Vick will be available we already given Philly an ALL-PRO L.T for basically nothing . Let us get a decent QB for nothing it will be so nice to see that we will finally have someone who can throw in Buffalo weather ....................Vick we will have your back and for the people that can't stomach him and might just stop watching the Bills because of the decision ......
..........You will be happily replaced 3-fold.