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Ha. I asked Wawrow that and he gets all indignant at me. Of course he never "says" anything. He just like to drop little rabbit turds here and there and lets the internet run with it.
Annnnnnnd here comes Joe B with his hot take!
Changes to the #Bills front office? Report says it could happen. That's troubling for Doug Whaley. Full thoughts:
Good lord, Promo, give it a rest.
I get all indignant with you because you're fully and completely inept at comprehending things.
You ask questions to which I don't have an answer for, and instead suggest that I speculate on something, which is something I don't do.
I write it's a mild surprise that Whaley still around after disastrous news conference.
You come back and say, why not just say Whaley's getting fired.
Why would I say something like that when I don't have the answer to it.
Then you suggest that all you want is "clarity."
Holy geez.
How do I respond to that when l don't have clarity.
And now you come on here -- as I predicted -- to make your case that I'm somehow was being indignant and that I merely "drop rabbit turds," as you put it.
My only loyalty is to the facts.
What I've stated here and posted on Twitter are facts.
And I do find it interesting that Sal Capaccio is reporting that Whaley won't handling the pre-draft luncheon.
That's interesting because the Bills GMs always have.
That you can't find clarity in that answer is because there is no clarity. Whaley is still the GM.
The only clarity I can provide is that you continue to expose yourself as being dense.
Sincerely,
jw
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Nice to see some positive national publicity.
Seems awfully familiar to the AP's story from last August.
Not saying word-for-word, but the structure seems like it's been done before.
jw
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You post on these forums?? I've been in the wrong place for insider info.
This situation is embarrassing. How can the Bills not know yet? It reeks of dysfunction and no plan.
It's a fluid situation.
Trouble committing to one thing without other things happening.
My understanding is when I'm told "no decision has been made," that's essentially accurate.
It depends.
And talk of a rift, though great in continuing the narrative, is overblown at best.
jw
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Just don't go on vacation this week
Nope, I'm on through Saturday.
jw
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Situation's still fluid.
Wouldn't hazard a guess one way or the other.
Best guess is things will start to flesh out after NFL free agency opens.
jw
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And you seem indecisive and tend to ramble when you ask questions.
see. more complaining.
jw
This thread is the perfect example of WHY we should let new posters start new threads. If this jackalope hadn't started this thread, he'd still be here, because it would have taken us much longer to realize what a !@#$wit he is.
Let them start threads. It weeds them out more quickly.
If only we had learned this back in 1882, when you first joined this board.
jw
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Looks like BBMB in that there is an establishment around here. Once you all team together you will be able to frame the narrative like never before. Anyone who leads a busy life and posts a thread without having in depth knowledge of the content of another thread already addressing a similar topic will be vilified.
That's a scary thought for a forum which should be about diverse thought and opinion.
Also that's a great way to run good people off a forum so be careful just shredding anyone who creates a new topic.
you seem to complain a lot.
jw
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Heard it here first. Shady will not be back. I have no clear cut proof or links, but I have heard whispers that McCoy will not be in Buffalo next year.
Yes, next year, as in 2018, is quite believable.
jw
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Of course the PR department isn't responsible for the product on the field, but does the worst run franchise on the field in the new millennium have to be a joke off the field too? The way the end of the season and post season press conference was handled by the Bills was absolutely embarrassing. We were lambasted by the national media and any outside observer would look in on Buffalo say of course they haven't made the playoffs in 17 years. It's enough that we have to suffer through this playoff drought, at least give us the dignity of not having to explain the Whaley press conference, Lynn conference, etc to our friends who are fans of other teams.
I don't care if Berchtold was a really nice guy. Last time I checked being really nice isn't what makes businesses successful, and it sure as hell isn't what wins championships. You add value to people by making their lives easier, not by being really nice. Berchtold may not be responsible for what happens on the field, but he did represent and was a main cog in a regime that personified losing. There was a low level of accountability within the organization in Wilson later years. I am glad to see things are changing. Littman is gone, Berchtold is gone, and as a die hard Bills fan since I was 5 years old, I would like to see two more go.
Let's go point by point:
1) The team is a joke off the field because it can't get any traction on it. And it seems as if each move the team makes (Shaq surgery/Ragland injured/Sammy Watkins surgery/Marcell suspension/Karlos cut, among the most recent) backfire on them.
2) Whaley's post-season press conference: It was mandated. And he was aware it was coming. In fact, he was nervous it was coming. In fact, had he addressed certain issues (and he is the one who chose not to, despite PR staff's requests), some of the issues could have been relieved. If PR staff asks and the GM says no, what to do?
3) The national media lambasted Whaley for seeming to know very little about the Bills operation he apparently oversees.
4) Because Whaley once again declined to address the Rex Ryan firing -- and he was requested numerous times -- the PR staff was left with no choice but to parade out Lynn without a net. Didn't help that others in the front office, Russ Brandon, namely, has washed his hands of the public oversight of the football operation does not help.
5) When have I said Scott was a "nice" guy. I said I respect the job that he did and he treated me professionally.
6) Yes, you add value to people by making their lives easier, and yet this is a franchise that appears to continually take the long road with too many missteps to mention, and no way to smooth over the obvious jagged edges.
7) There was little accountability in the final Wilson years. How does that reflect on the PR staff when those above them are attempting to fill the many pockets and vacuums of power. I think that reflects more poorly on those who were entrusted by Ralph to handle that responsibility with loyalty and foresight. Instead, they kept making inexplicable signings and draft-day moves and selections.
But of course, all this falls on Scott.
jw
Crazy thing is, people made fun of Rex Ryan winning the offseason.
And, it seems some will be more than content with the Bills having an NFL-leading PR staff, because that's what truly matters.
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it's clearly Berchtold's fault.
jw
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JW - I like you, but I think you're taking the defense of this guy a little too far. By any objective measure (controlling leaks, making sure there is a coherent message coming out of the FO, making sure people who need to be at the podium are at the podium, managing responses to negative stories) SB has been fairly awful at his job for quite some time. When your defense of his job means you have to flip back 20+ years for most of your player singing and cherry pick a couple of more "recent" signings you know you're reaching. SB is not solely responsible for the acquisition or failure to bring in talent, but he is responsible for the perception of this team as clueless and dysfunctional. Citing Mario, who was overpaid and made the highest paid D player in the game is an overreach of epic proportions, you're just trolling now.
1) I wrote I respect Scott and won't speak ill of him.
2) How a PR staff functions has nothing to do with the product on the field or personnel moves.
3) Your sarcasm meter is in the "off" position.
jw
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Not even worth the time
typical cowardly response.
make an accusation. refuse to back it up when called upon.
jw
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WTF are you talking about? Stop with the spinning class.
1) i don't answer to you.
2) i have no clue what you're suggesting in regards to spinning.
jw
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Of course executives, coaches and players affect wins and losses faaaaaar more than PR, nobody is questioning that.
I guess I think your job can have a real effect in subtle ways, and you do not. Fair enough.
If just one more Bills fan attends one more game because the PR is handled better, that seems like a good thing to me. Very minor of course compared to the actual football department doing their job.
yes, attendance sure dropped off over the past two years.
jw
Buddy, what are you talking about? John was more than fair in his assessment that this change in the organization doesn't have one iota to do with the product on the field. He wasn't campaigning to keep Scott where he is either. I believe you need to go re-read the posts in this thread.
Again, LEADERSHIP is the reason for dysfunction. It was Scott's job for 30 years to manage that dysfunction in the public eye. The initial message in this thread was him stepping down would be huge for the team. Free agents come here for the money and opportunity, if anyone thinks they look at the media response and how they are viewed in the public makes a shiiit bit of difference you are sorely mistaken. Two years from now when we win the press conferences and the fans are happy buying into whatever they are being told - will that make a top flight free agent stop and say "those Bills pressers and media relations is why I want to be a part of the team". We are all Bills fans, we will all continue to support them regardless of the dysfunction, if not we all wouldn't be here tapping on a key board.
thanks, good poster.
jw
Your second statement has been refuted by multiple player comments throughout the years. The players who sign here often state that they didn't know a lot about the team other than the bad weather and reports that things were crazy and when they got here they found things to be different. If you're moving your family to a place, yes you are going to go mainly based on salary and a starting job, but they also need to look to the FO and how things are run. Scott had that job for 30 years and he did it poorly.
so, by comparison, Scott once did such a good job, he played a role in ensuring Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed stayed with the Bills, and then went on to attract the likes of Mario Williams, Takeo Spikes, London Fletcher to sign on with Buffalo.
now you've got me wondering if this move is fully tied to Tyrod Taylor's future in town.
jw
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This is HUGE news. I do not know if people realize the power that Berchtold has had over there for a LONG time. This is very, very interesting.
what power is this you speak of?
the power to buy the media lunch on Wednesdays?
sigh.
jw
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Since you're being dickish, I'll follow suit. The two further logical fallacies you've brought us in bold above do clear up your comprehension skills but maybe not in the way you intended.
Are you of the opinion that the perception of the team among Bills fans and in the greater football world can never affect anything, even slightly, under any circumstances?
If you think perception is meaningless then why the heck are you a writer?
I get it you respect the guy, and I truly have nothing but respect for the respect you're displaying. These strawman potshots of yours, however...
so, you're positing that negative press has an impact on success, even if ever so slightly.
well, sir, i present to you a few examples.
-- Deflategate.
-- Are the Browns any better even though they're on their third VP of communications since 2012.
-- A year after Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction charges in relation to a double-murder investigation, he was the NFL's defensive player of the year and Super Bowl MVP.
-- Last year's election.
To the same extent:
-- Is the Knicks PR staff to blame for what's gone wrong under Dolan?
-- Do the Baltimore Colts PR staff take heat for the team relocating to Indianapolis? Or the Chargers, now?
-- How much blame does the Sabres PR staff deserve when the team somehow and inexplicably failed to re-sign Drury and Briere?
-- The NFL fumbled the ball badly on Ray Rice. Was that the PR staff's miscue or Roger Goodell who, in a question posed by me at Canton that summer, insisted the league followed its suspension policy.
But blame the PR person for the follies of others.
jw
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Wasn't that easier than just being a dick from the get go?
Still don't see where I insinuated all that but ok. I'm entitled to my opinion about the situation as are you.
actually, i'm pretty confident i was still attempting to be dickish.
jw
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Man, talk about a stretch...Geesh so sorry for saying something negative about your buddy. You clearly have an agenda here. For someone who writes for a living your comprehension skills seem to be a little off. I'm merely saying that over the years the Bills have not exactly "come off well" during a lot of crisis moments. It may be hard for you all that never leave the WNY bubble to realize that. No schit he can't control what people say off the cuff but as the head honcho of that department, I'd say he bears the overall responsibility for what's getting put out there and the manner in which it happens.
and the drought. don't forget the drought. he's solely responsible for that.
as for these crisis moments you speak of, the crisis are self-inflicted by higher-up mismanagement, be it how Doug Whaley mishandled himself this past season over a variety of issues, not only his season-ending presser, which was a coup-de-gras, or the various power struggles that continue to emerge in the posts above him.
i said i respect the job that Scott did, because it wasn't an easy one, knowing the daily demands and pressures that have come with it.
you seem to suggest that he failed to protect the franchise's image, as if he could stick his thumb in the dam and stop the water from bursting through.
you suggest i have an agenda here. dunno.
i respect Scott. can't say i count him as a "friend." i've had only a few drinks with him ever, and that was one evening at training camp.
as for this WNY bubble you suggest I live in, i'd counter with the naysayers like you on this board constantly harping on one thing that has nothing to do with the other thing, as if: "Yes, this will solve the problem."
yes, Scott bears responsibility. but not at the expense of others who should take a large amount of the blame but go scurrying off and hide behind no comments or "i'm not privvy" statements when the going gets rough.
pretty certain this clears up any questions about my comprehension skills, but lord only knows with you.
jw
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I heard Scott was the second gunmen on the grassy knoll.....
Scott's alter ego....the one blowing up the press conferences.
also behind the Bowling Green Massacre.
jw
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My take fwiw
1 Part of Prichard's job is preparing Doug Whaley for a press conference . Doug is they ask this you can say ...... or if they ask this then pivot to .........
on the other hand
2. I am still not convinced that Whaley didn't get exactly what he wanted out of the presser. He got the owners to come out of hiding and face the press. He is a smart guy. He knew what he was saying and how it would play.
who the hell is "Prichard"
jw
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Where did I insinuate he had anything to do with Marv being hired? I'm talking about the clown show pressers that have been going on for years now. During the initial days of the Mularkey resignation / Marv GM hiring wasn't there a bunch of technological type mishaps delaying the start of the pressers? And seems like I remember them being generally disorganized, and kind of bizarre.
jeebers.
yes.
Scott was going to go on stage and stop Ralph Wilson from riffing with Marv about how "young" they were.
and of course, Scott is the one who pushed Mularkey out the door, and then hired Marv in hopes he would take over as coach before finally being reeled in by Ralph.
and it was Scott who insisted Donahoe go on the radio and call the fan "a jerk."
and he was behind the wheel of Lynch's car when he struck the pedestrian downtown.
and, of course, he actually pulled the mat out from under Kevin Kolb just at the moment he stepped on it, slipped and hurt his knee.
now the full story can be told.
jw
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Excellent points, but do you think Berchtold was perhaps a source of some of the leaks coming out of OBD? While they don't relate directly to onfield performance, they paint a very poor picture of the organization. Since McDermott was hired many of us have commented on how much of a tight-lipped ship they appear to now be running.
Scott is as loyal to the Bills as anyone can come.
jw
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I don't have delusions that this affects anything related to the on field product, but I think it's a positive move. Hard to deny the team has come off as a second rate organization at times over the years during pressers. Even going back to the few days of Marv returning as GM weirdness.
Wonder how the podium feels about this move
Lord.
Ralph Wilson hired Marv. It was Ralph's decision alone. He felt burned by Tom Donahoe and believed he couldn't trust an outsider. So he turned to Marv.
Scott had nothing to do with it.
My point is, focus on what ills have confounded this franchise.
jw
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You all make far too much out of little, missing the bigger points for the minutia, in my humble opinion.
To think that the VP of communications has anything to do with onfield football related or personnel matters, the drought, the carousel of coaches and GMs, the lack of a quarterback, the decision to trade up to draft Sammy Watkins, Trent Edwards starting, Dockery's contract, Marcell Dareus' latest suspension, why they drafted EJ, Doug Marrone's abrupt departure or anything else then I'm terribly sorry for you and you might need to get out of the basement for a spell or two.
As with any media relations person in my 23 years covering a pro beat, I've had my differences with Scott. It happens.
But I'm not going to speak ill of him. He treated me with respect and as a professional. And that included even at the more heated times during my early years covering the team.
I sincerely wish him the best in his new role, and hope he enjoys the additional time he now will have to spend with his family.
jw
Changes coming to Bills front office?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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And I apologize to those if I've broken the rules of conduct here in my response to Promo here.
But his nonesensical attacks are just that.
I believe I deserve the opportunity to defend myself, given what Promo has posted in his various stalking methods, first on twitter and now bringing that discussion to here.
I'll take whatever discipline you see fit.
But I'll promise to merely ignore Promo after this last exchange.
It's futile dealing with him.
jw