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Does it occur to you that the Bills just have mediocre players? If it looks like a pile of unmotivated bodies, which I agree with, it's more on the types of players on your team, than your coach. I can understand being out of position because of coaching, but unmotivated? THat is a character flaw with the Bills. I've said this before, and I firmly believe it's the main problem with the Bills; they have no proven winners on their team. Who on the Buffalo Bills has really accomplished anything in the NFL teamwise? Mitchell and who else? The Bills just seem to be in the habit of getting players on their team and hoping they are winners, and not going after players that have proven they have the ability to win. 4-12

The implication was that his skills are, or are on the verge of diminishing due to his age. I should have worded the response differently. My bad.

28 is not even close to old for a NT. See Casey Hampton and Jamaal Williams. The best NT the Pats have had was a guy you should be familiar with, Ted Washington. He was in his upper 30s. Wilfork has 7-8 solid years ahead of him. Walker was never even a good player with Oakland. He was horrendous, and only good at blocking kicks. On the Pats OL, you obviously are speaking from an uninformed position. I have no idea who this Nathan is and Hochstein is a backup. Kaczur will be 30 in July, and was already losing PT to Ryan O'Callaghan. The O Line is not even slightly a worry. Like I have said in previous posts, the one area of concern would be OLB opposite Thomas. Shawn Crable was drafted in the 3rd last year, and they have high hopes for him. There is a lot of talk about signing Jason Taylor which would also help that area. Unfortunately for you guys, the Pats are in a very strong position now and moving forward. BTW, the Pats go into next years draft with a 1st and 3 2nd round picks.

Your credibility was shot when you stated Wilfok is getting older. The guy is still in his rookie fricking contract. Your opinion on Walker is wishful thinking. He's tried left tackle, while with Oakland, and he was terrible. The Pats OL is not even close to old but may need to be addressed if Mankins walks after this year. Ellison is not even adequate. He's horrible. He's way undersized and can't run a lick.

Didn't say that. Just stating facts. So you're also saying he's the "steal of the draft" huh?

He was the 6th TE taken, so some teams obviously had a need. At this point to say a TE, out of Southern Miss, that can't block and was taken in the 4th round after 5 other TEs was the "steal of the draft" is moronic.

The Pats have moved on (4-0 since this broke against your beloved Bills). As for a link, here you go. http://www.pewterreport.com/forum/index.ph...20078.msg415556 Your wishful thinking clouds any objective analysis. The Pats D is actually getting younger and faster. The only players on their D that would be considered old for their positions are Tedy and SPrings. These guys will not be expected to be every down guys any more. In the last few years, the Pats have focused on getting younger and faster. Guyton and Mayo were the 2 fastest LBs at the combine last year. Thomas is considered a very fast LB. Wheatley and Wilhite were two of the fastest CBs in last years draft, and Butler was the fastest at this years combine. D is weak everywhere? The D line is among the best in football. They have the returning Def ROY. Also, you may want to check Meriweather's stats vs Top 10 Whitner from last year. He's a lot more of a play maker than WHitner has been in any year of his career so far. But who lets actual truths get in the way?

You all continue to use partial bits of info to make your argument. Ys Mayock, Kiper and McShay thought he was a good pass rusher, but they all thought he was best suited for OLB in a 3-4, not 4-3 DE due to his lack of bulk. As for the "consensus of people much smarter than you" (Kiper, Mayock on McShay); Due to the fact he fell to the 4th round, the consensus of people much smarter than you (AKA NFL GMs and coaches), he was a 4th round talent and the 121st pick in the draft.

Actually, they did not use the Poison Pill clause, but no point in using facts to back your argument. Here is an exerpt from the Globe about the trade for Welker. By that point, the only question was how to finalize the process. The Patriots were prepared to sign Welker to an offer sheet that included a "poison pill" that would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match. Yet in hopes of avoiding the bad blood that sometimes can accompany offer sheets - the Seahawks and Vikings recently engaged in a nasty back and forth with offensive lineman Steve Hutchinson and receiver Nate Burleson exchanging teams via offer sheets - the Patriots instead called the Dolphins and proposed a trade. The Dolphins were amenable, shipping Welker to the Patriots for second- and seventh-round draft choices. The Dolphins used the second-rounder (60th overall) to select Hawaii center Samson Satele, who has started all six games this season. The seventh-round pick (238th overall) yielded Abraham Wright, a linebacker from Colorado who has been inactive for every game

This article (see the link) came out BEFORE Spygate and states this is the MOST COMMON type of cheating in the NFL, not just by the Patriots. Like I said in a previous post, Jimmy Johnson said that was all being done the same way when he broke into the league. If the Pats were the only team doing it, why was there no outcry when this report came out? As for a later post claiming Pats fans don't see there teams faults, I'm a realist and do. This year, the Pats soft spot could be one of the outside LB positions, but short of that, this years team does not have any obvious shortcomings. This year's team is stacked on paper at nearly every other position, but a single injury can obviously change that.

100% not true. I do agree with most of what he said, but I would have added that this team needs to start fast becaus of the TO factor. If the Bills start to lose a couple games in a row he will be in full TO mode.

Please site where he was the 2nd highest rated safety. I looked a ton of predraft stuff and he was never up there. It was always Delmas, Moore, CHung, Johnson and several other guys. I never saw Byrd ever rated as a top safety.

Most Common = Not just 1 team. And he's actually a Vikings apologist, not Pats. It's so funny, you guys want so bad to believe something, when a nationally respected journalist disputes your beliefs, he's wrong and you're right. By the way, now 4-0 against the Bills since Spygate.

Weird, even with your Bills fan rebuttal you can't mention a single OL. That's not good. Reed, Parish and Jackson???? Are you serious? You tried to trade Parrish and couldn't get anything for him. Please let me know the next time Youboty, Poz, McGee as a corner, Schobel, Whitner or Mitchell make a big play.

As an outsider, I honestly wonder where all of this talent is on the Buffalo Bills roster. The Bills just seem to be one of the least talented teams in the NFL. I am being 100% serious when I say this. When you break it down, the talent on the Bills roster is really just a few guys (Lynch, Evans, TO if this isn't the year that being old gets him, Stroud, Leodis and McGee as returners not corners). No I am not including Top 10 Whitner in there, because he is just not that good. Stroud is the only guy from either the DL or OL that would be considered above avg. If you take off the Bills colored galsses, and compare the Bills to other teams around the league, just in terms of pure talent, the Bills appear to be one of the least talented teams in the league. THey're gritty but not very talented.

Not so fast my man. Here is an email that was sent to Mike Florio at PFT at the height of the "Spygate" scandal. Please note the date of the article. Well be fore "Spygate". This article clearly points out videotaping signals is the "most common" type of cheating in the NFL. Combine that with Jimmy Johnson stating, after the video was released, that he was doing the exact same way when he broke into the league. Here is the email with link included. Mr. Florio, I must tell you on 99% of occasions I agree with what you say. But on this issue I feel you, and the rest of the national media, are being extremely hypocritical. Please read this article (last updated July 25th, well before this scandal) from Don Banks http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ....nfl/index.html. I’m guessing Mr. Banks was a responsible journalist and did an extensive amount research on this subject. He is quoted in the article as saying “stealing'' of signs -- both on offense and defense -- is the area that's most often cited as fertile ground for cheating”, and he followed this up with “The most common practice is for a team to videotape an opponent's signal-givers on the sideline, and later marry up those indications to the game tape in order to identify tendencies or patterns”. This article clearly points out videotaping an opponents signals is the MOST COMMON type of “cheating” in the NFL. The media is trying to paint a picture of BB being a lone wolf in trying to gain a competitive advantage over all other teams. Why have so many coaches not spoken out Mr. Florio? You would think these teams that were “victimized” by the Patriots during their Superbowl runs would be all over the place questioning whether or not this could have been a factor in their defeats. Could the reason be they don’t want to speak out because (according to Mr. Banks) this is the MOST COMMON method of cheating in the NFL, and they are just as guilty? The Pats broke the rule, plain and simple, but the media should not be ignoring how common this practice is. The “everybody else is doing it” excuse does not make it right, but I do think it needs to be mentioned, especially when the validity of their championships is called into question. Let me ask you this, why didn’t Mr. Mangini call BB out on this last year (he had 3 opportunities)? I would venture to guess it is because Mr. Tagliabue had turned the other cheek on this for years, and Mangini knew he could get BB in trouble with the new sheriff in town. I’m anxious to know what you think.

Actually Chung was the 4th fastest safety at the combine while Mr Byrd ran a 4.68 and 4.69 40 at his pro day. That is not just slow, it is terrible. I know speed isn't everything, but there are not a lot of successful NFL DBs that run nearly 4.7 40s.

Tank??? Go 11-5 with a back up QB, down to a 4th string RB (you should know he ran for 100 against the Bills), Thomas out for year, Harrison out for year..... If that's tanking please define the Bills last decade.

I'm actually very clear on the difference between a FS and a SS (and actually in the "Tampa 2", there's not much of one). Currently the Bills have a top 10 pick at SS that makes zero impact and couldn't cover you. Now you put cement footed Byrd in at FS and the Bills should have a great time defending the deep ball. No worries though, because teams won't have the time to drop back and chuck it deep against the Bills with their beastly pass rush. Any takers on the O/U on the Bills picking at 7??? Terrible OL and DL....I'll take the under.

A slow Free Safety paired with a Strong Safety that doesn't make any plays. Combine that with no pass rush and the worst O Line in football and the Bills should challenge for the AFC East title this year. Any one want to take an over/under on the Bills draft position next year. We'll set it at 7.

Byrd over Chung??????? You completely make yourself look like a moron homer with a comment like that. Byrd doesn't hit, is extremely slow and wasn't half the player Chung was at Oregon.

The Patriots do not believe great teams are built through the draft. They use the draft to supplement the proven vets they have on their team, and the free agents they bring in. If the draft is your primary method for building your team, your team's chances for success are greatly minimized. The Bills are a tremendous example of this. All of these "great" drafts have lead to a team that is a middle of the road team year after year with minimal talent. You can have your belief that the Bills had better drafts, but the fact is the Patriots are a much deeper and more talented team than the Bills.

You're right dude. The Bills Front Office and Talent Evaluators blow the Pats away (if you can say that with a straight face, you're an idiot). That is why Buffalo is such a talented football team. Just because the Bills draft guys that make their starting lineup doesn't mean thy have great drafts, it means the Bills lack talent. For example, was K Ellison a great draft pick because he starts for the Bills? No, he wouldn't even make the Pats roster. Same for Kyle Williams,McCargo and Simpson. How you can defend a Front Office that passes on Ngata for Donte frickin Whitner is beyond me. Speaking of Top 10 Whitner, I believe Meriweather had a better year than he did last year.

Do you mean the 07 draft where they got Welker for a 2nd and Moss for a 4th? Yes, I can say with a straight face that worked out pretty well for them.

You'd be in a very small minority.