IBTG81 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Then why are other conferences trying to raid our coaches. You have Miami wanting Leavitt or Schiano, D'Antonio just went to Michigan St., Petrino is always wanted by someone, and Alabama wants Rich Rodriguez. It's funny though, that no one wants pornstache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 If the BE is so good, why aren't the coaches staying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 If the BE is so good, why aren't the coaches staying? 850106[/snapback] Who isn't staying? The only one who left (and will end up leaving) is D'Antonio, and it was for personal reasons. Nice of you to ignore the question though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Because the whole line of reasoning is stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 Because the whole line of reasoning is stupid 850114[/snapback] How is it stupid? Because it doesn't fit your anti-BE bias? It's a simple question...How can the BE be so bad if we have all of the "hot" coaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 How is it stupid? Because it doesn't fit your anti-BE bias? It's a simple question...How can the BE be so bad if we have all of the "hot" coaches? 850115[/snapback] Do you think that people wouldn't consider the coaches in other conferences as "hot" if there were any chance of them leaving? Schools wouldn't want Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, Bill Callahan, Dennis Franchione, etc. if there were any chance they'd leave the Big 12, I guess. Its stupid because claiming a conference is good because they have produced hot coaching candidates for better conferences is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 If the BE is so bad...Then why are other conferences trying to raid our coaches. 850103[/snapback] Every baseball team wanted Carlos Beltran. That didn't mean the Royals were good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Every baseball team wanted Carlos Beltran. That didn't mean the Royals were good. 851550[/snapback] That's a poor analogy, and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 That's a poor analogy, and you know it. 851695[/snapback] Not any worse than your line of reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Not any worse than your line of reasoning. 851710[/snapback] Not true my 3 loss team friend. Great coaches USUALLY produce good/great teams. The fact that these programs are getting turned down is even funnier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Not true my 3 loss team friend.Great coaches USUALLY produce good/great teams. The fact that these programs are getting turned down is even funnier! 851724[/snapback] I find it funny that you bring up my Longhorns having 3 losses this year, as if that somehow validates your point. Great coaches do the best with the resources that they have. This does not necessarily mean that they will be able to produce one of the best football teams in the country, but rather that they will be able to produce the best football team that they could possibly produce. I also find it funny that you claim programs are getting turned down. Whose programs, exactly? Petrino turning down Alabama? Dantonio turning down Michigan State (oops)? Petrino's the only one I heard turning down Alabama (can't say I blame him). Have you heard of any others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I find it funny that you bring up my Longhorns having 3 losses this year, as if that somehow validates your point. Great coaches do the best with the resources that they have. This does not necessarily mean that they will be able to produce one of the best football teams in the country, but rather that they will be able to produce the best football team that they could possibly produce. I also find it funny that you claim programs are getting turned down. Whose programs, exactly? Petrino turning down Alabama? Dantonio turning down Michigan State (oops)? Petrino's the only one I heard turning down Alabama (can't say I blame him). Have you heard of any others? 851838[/snapback] Leavitt has turned down Miami, and Schiano has turned down Miami and Alabama. Rodriguez was also asked by Alabama and said no. And that was just this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 lol, Miami and Alabama. Its no surprise they said no, Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 lol, Miami and Alabama. Its no surprise they said no, Ed. 851852[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 851864[/snapback] What, you actually think that right now Miami and Alabama are good opportunities for a coach trying to position himself for a better job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 What, you actually think that right now Miami and Alabama are good opportunities for a coach trying to position himself for a better job? 851869[/snapback] Miami-absolutely Alabama-has the tradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Miami-absolutelyAlabama-has the tradition 851873[/snapback] I'd disagree with that, but to each his own I guess. I'd rather stay in the Big East which is much more wide open then the SEC, which provides an easier path to get conference championships/recruits. Plus, it still is a BCS conference for the winner. Miami's program has gone down the toilet in the Coker years, and their facilities are horrible. I don't think it'd be unexpected for Miami to lose out on recruiting to FSU/Florida for the next few years. I'd rather stay at the schools where I've already built something and in a conference that is easier to compete in if I'm vying for a big payday, and I'd be looking for a few jobs that are probably opening in the next couple of years, like Penn State and Florida State. If I was Schiano I'd be positioning myself for that PSU job once Joe Pa retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 If I was Schiano I'd be positioning myself for that PSU job once Joe Pa retires. 851886[/snapback] Why? The RU job is just as good, if not better. NJ is a hotbed for recruiting, and we have the NJ/NY/Philly market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 If I was Schiano I'd be positioning myself for that PSU job once Joe Pa retires. 851886[/snapback] Word is Schiano is off to State College six seconds after JoePa walks. But maybe not, cause it's a Jersey thing, right Ed? We wouldn't understand. Rodriguez would be stupid to leave WVU this year, unless he really loves one of the openings. I'd take one more year with Slaton and White and make a run at the title game, and then see what is available. Alabama has history, big deal. The SEC is brutal, and the Tide haven't kept up with the big dogs. A few probations tend to facilitate that. Miami could be turned around quickly in the anemic ACC, as the balance of power tends to fluctuate. With Miami's influence on the Florida high school talent, it shouldn't take long to turn them around. But don't you see what happens when you leave the cupcake Big East Ed? BC, VT, and Miami couldn't slap teams around like they used to. Coaches who have built a solid base in the Big East should stick around and wait for a job they want. It won't take much to please boosters, and likewise, it won't take much to win 9 games or more each year against the other Big East powerhouses. Bide your time with a few successful seasons and then upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 ^^--- This man speaks the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Word is Schiano is off to State College six seconds after JoePa walks. But maybe not, cause it's a Jersey thing, right Ed? We wouldn't understand. 851920[/snapback] How many times do I have to explain it? When Schiano says, "I plan on staying here for a long, long time", do you not get it? His wife also wants no part of any other area, and he is about to sign a 10 year, 22 million dollar deal with an enormous buyout. I do know though, that you are trying to rile me up, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 BC, VT, and Miami couldn't slap teams around like they used to.Coaches who have built a solid base in the Big East should stick around and wait for a job they want. It won't take much to please boosters, and likewise, it won't take much to win 9 games or more each year against the other Big East powerhouses. Bide your time with a few successful seasons and then upgrade. 851920[/snapback] Hmmm, how did the BE do against schools outside of their conference? Didn't WV destroy Georgia last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixon Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Why? The RU job is just as good, if not better. NJ is a hotbed for recruiting, and we have the NJ/NY/Philly market. 851915[/snapback] Are you saying that the Rutgers job would be just as good as Penn State or FSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 How many times do I have to explain it?When Schiano says, "I plan on staying here for a long, long time", do you not get it? His wife also wants no part of any other area, and he is about to sign a 10 year, 22 million dollar deal with an enormous buyout. 851954[/snapback] I'm glad you believe him. Because, "I plan on staying here for a long, long, time" is not something that EVERY coach with one foot out the door has ever said.... ...especially in-season with a BCS berth on the line...You really think he's going to announce that he's shopping himself??? And an enormous buyout provides some insurance aganist teams like Maryland and Illinois, but any amount of money is an afterthought for Penn State or Oklahoma if they decide they've found the guy they want, and especially if it's the guy the boosters want. Did you notice that the 'written out' version of the headbanger emoticon could look like 'ballwash' is you read it dyslexically? :ballwash: instead of wallbash. Come to think of it, if we had a :ballwash: emoticon, Ed would be able to use it in every Rutgers and Schiano thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I'm glad you believe him. Because, "I plan on staying here for a long, long, time" is not something that EVERY coach with one foot out the door has ever said.... ...especially in-season with a BCS berth on the line...You really think he's going to announce that he's shopping himself??? And an enormous buyout provides some insurance aganist teams like Maryland and Illinois, but any amount of money is an afterthought for Penn State or Oklahoma if they decide they've found the guy they want, and especially if it's the guy the boosters want. Did you notice that the 'written out' version of the headbanger emoticon could look like 'ballwash' is you read it dyslexically? :ballwash: instead of wallbash. Come to think of it, if we had a :ballwash: emoticon, Ed would be able to use it in every Rutgers and Schiano thread. 852000[/snapback] Just because the man has integrity, and I choose to point it out, I ball-wash him? Niiiiiiiiiice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 No, you're assuming that he does. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 No, you're assuming that he does. lol. 852048[/snapback] Not assuming. I've met him many times, and we know each other on a first name basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Not assuming. I've met him many times, and we know each other on a first name basis. 852052[/snapback] So that means that you know him, his personal thoughts, and his job ambitions which he doesn't tell the media/public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 So that means that you know him, his personal thoughts, and his job ambitions which he doesn't tell the media/public? 852053[/snapback] Things get said in the department. According to everyone, including the players, is that Greg has told them that he isn't leaving. He isn't one to say something and do the opposite. Brian Leonard and Greg are like father and son. Brian has even stated that he and Greg talked about it, and Greg isn't going anywhere. But, you and smokin must know more than me on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I'm not saying I know more then you, I'm saying you know less then you think that you know, as evidenced by almost all previous coaches who have left their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I'm not saying I know more then you, I'm saying you know less then you think that you know, as evidenced by almost all previous coaches who have left their jobs. 852067[/snapback] Let's put it this way...If he leaves, everyone would be shocked (and he would be getting a divorce, because there is no way in hell his wife is going). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 But, you and smokin must know more than me on this one. 852065[/snapback] I've never pretended to know more than you. You mentioned to me before that you worked in RU athletics so I assumed you at least have met Schiano. That would mean you probably have a better grasp of the situation than anyone else here. I wasn't being snide when I said "I'm glad you believe him." I'm actually glad you believe him. I'm not being snide when I say it'd be nice if he stayed at Rutgers for a long time. It seems like a good fit. I just think you are being naive. Even you must admit, there's a chance your judgement is clouded by working within such a positive experience this season, and your manlove for Schiano exploded, and everyone says, "This is the best feeling ever and it's never going to end!!!" Looking at it from the outside, I see it differently. So does bluefire, and probably a lot of other people. He's a great coach at a mid-level program. 99% of the time, those coaches will upgrade. And 100% of the time, they say they're perfectly happy where they are and they have no plans of moving elsewhere before they do. The "He's building a house/He's a Jersey guy/He says he'd never leave/His wife hates everywhere except Jersey" arguments do not convince me that he's not leaving. Of course he's not going to say he loves the Miami opportunity during the week of Rutgers' biggest game ever. If he does stay at Rutgers for the long haul, that's good for them, and will only mark the umpteenth time that I've been wrong. (And I don't think he's going to Miami; I think he's going to PSU after JoePa.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Looking at it from the outside, I see it differently. So does bluefire, and probably a lot of other people. He's a great coach at a mid-level program. 99% of the time, those coaches will upgrade. And 100% of the time, they say they're perfectly happy where they are and they have no plans of moving elsewhere before they do. 852086[/snapback] That's the whole thing. He grew up in Jersey, and has stated numerous times it pissed him off when people would rag on Rutgers. When he first took the job, people laughed at him when he said RU could win a national championship. To him, going to Miami or anywhere else isn't a step up. It is a step back. Again, Rutgers is smack dab in the middle of NY and Philly, each of which has no team to call their own. This market is ready to EXPLODE, and he loves the fact that it was him who did this. Greg Schiano, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Oh yeah, BTW, Schiano already turned down the Miami job once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Oh yeah, BTW, Schiano already turned down the Miami job once before. 852135[/snapback] You keep posting this, but it doesn't change anything. I wouldn't leave for Miami if I was Schiano either. If I stay at RU I could get a much, much better gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 You keep posting this, but it doesn't change anything. I wouldn't leave for Miami if I was Schiano either. If I stay at RU I could get a much, much better gig. 852187[/snapback] Haha, why doesn't it change anything? Miami was much better off then. Maybe he can go to your three loss team. I'm sure he could improve those mighty mighty Longhoooooooooooooorns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Haha, why doesn't it change anything? Miami was much better off then. Because we don't know how Schiano feels about the Miami gig vs the other gigs in the country. Maybe he can go to your three loss team. I'm sure he could improve those mighty mighty Longhoooooooooooooorns. 852191[/snapback] Do you just like embarrassing yourself? First: Go play in a bowl game. Next: Go win in a bowl game. Finally: Go win a National Championship. Then come talk to me about the 'Horns. Anyway, keep bringing Texas up as if it has anything to do with Schiano. It helps your point. Really, it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 First: Go play in a bowl game. 852197[/snapback] We were last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 We were last year. 852208[/snapback] Awww, Ed's mad because I forgot that Rutgers lost the 2nd bowl game of their 239 years of existence last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Awww, Ed's mad because I forgot that Rutgers lost the 2nd bowl game of their 239 years of existence last year. 852216[/snapback] No, I just wish you would be more educated before ya open up your big trap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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