Our "Franchise Cornerback"

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Because he made an interception? Give me a break. Nate has tipped the ball into the air before and our our DB's cant catch it.

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Think about that last statment. Nate has tipped the ball in the air but the other DB's can't catch it? Why doesn't Nate stop "tipping" balls and start catching them himself. Maybe he should be playing vollyball.

[Dan]

Think about that last statment. Nate has tipped the ball in the air but the other DB's can't catch it?  Why doesn't Nate stop "tipping" balls and start catching them himself.  Maybe he should be playing vollyball.

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You obviously have never played the game or never seen one in person, because Nate tips the balls in purpose. He's so good, he figures he's tired of catching all the interceptions. So, he's tryin to help the other guys out. Its not his fault they're not as good as he is.

[BuffaloBilliever]

Get Youboty healthy...

[daquixers_is_back]

You're right.  Nate is by far the best player on our team and easily the best cornerback in the league.  The only question is will Marv be awake enough to pay him the $7-$8 mill/yr he wants for the priviledge of letting us see Nate school the league's best receivers. 

 

I'm not sure how I could ever think Nate was average.  He clearly is so good, opposing teams shudder in fear of even getting near his side of the field.

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Think about that last statment. Nate has tipped the ball in the air but the other DB's can't catch it?  Why doesn't Nate stop "tipping" balls and start catching them himself.  Maybe he should be playing vollyball.

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If you can only get one hand on the ball than thats better than nothing ... watch the Steelers play. They do it ALL THE TIME. One DB tips the ball and another catches it.

 

 

You obviously have never played the game or never seen one in person, because Nate tips the balls in purpose.  He's so good, he figures he's tired of catching all the interceptions.  So, he's tryin to help the other guys out.  Its not his fault they're not as good as he is.

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[Dan]

I know.... I'm being ridiculous. But, I've given up trying to argue what we obviously won't agree on.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

You obviously have never played the game or never seen one in person, because Nate tips the balls in purpose.  He's so good, he figures he's tired of catching all the interceptions.  So, he's tryin to help the other guys out.  Its not his fault they're not as good as he is.

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Your right actually every time he's in coverage it's the DLine's fault they don't get sacks, I mean he's doing his job why can't they do theirs? LOL. This thread is too much.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

If you can only get one hand on the ball than thats better than nothing ... watch the Steelers play. They do it ALL THE TIME. One DB tips the ball and another catches it.

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I know the Tip drill I've played ball. The point is that he could tip 10 balls a game but he is getting paid to do more. I want him to make PLAYS. Do something, ANYTHING to make this team win. When was the last time we won a game and after all anyone could talk about was Nate. I don't remember that ever happining.

[daquixers_is_back]

I know.... I'm being ridiculous.  But, I've given up trying to argue what we obviously won't agree on.

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Agreed.

 

I know the Tip drill I've played ball.  The point is that he could tip 10 balls a game but he is getting paid to do more. I want him to make PLAYS.  Do something, ANYTHING to make this team win. When was the last time we won a game and after all anyone could talk about was Nate. I don't remember that ever happining.

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I completely understand what your saying and in certain circumstances you would be right. Such as if this was a decent team. But were rebuilding, and when you rebuild you want some solid players to build around. So why let him go and get a couple "could be" good players when you can lock up a sure-fire solid player? Its all about the situation your in.

[rolly]

Because he made an interception? Give me a break. Nate has tipped the ball into the air before and our our DB's cant catch it.

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No offense man but for someone who continually calls out others for "stupidity" this is hypocrisy. One interception can change a game. As a top corner, you're expected to make turnovers- clements hasn't done this in a while. Tipping a ball and catching it are 2 very different things.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

I completely understand what your saying and in certain circumstances you would be right. Such as if this was a decent team. But were rebuilding, and when you rebuild you want some solid players to build around. So why let him go and get a couple "could be" good players when you can lock up a sure-fire solid player? Its all about the situation your in.

 

I see where your coming from and respect your view I just am tired of how crappy these lines are BOTH lines and am willing to sacrifices a "lesser" corner to improve one of our lines. Nate cant play "tight" because we can't get pressure. He would have nothing left by halftime if he didn't give a bit of a cush. the way this pass rush is. Alot of our sacks are coverage sacks and I give the credit to our secondary. I think people overlook that aspect. We will never be suceefull if we rely on nothing but coverage sacks. We need to get to the QB bottom line.

[daquixers_is_back]

I see where your coming from and respect your view I just am tired of how crappy these lines are BOTH lines and am willing to sacrifices a "lesser" corner to improve one of our lines. Nate cant play "tight" because we can't get pressure. He would have nothing left by halftime if he didn't give a bit of a cush. the way this pass rush is.  Alot of our sacks are coverage sacks and I give the credit to our secondary.  I think people overlook that aspect. We will never be suceefull if we rely on nothing but coverage sacks. We need to get to the QB bottom line.

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The problem is that everytime we give up someone good because of money to get 2 other "maybe" players were like a turnstile ... we just keep revolving year after year ... we need good players to build our team around.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

The problem is that everytime we give up someone good because of money to get 2 other "maybe" players were like a turnstile ... we just keep revolving year after year ... we need good players to build our team around.

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The problem with this is that Nate has become one of these "maybe" players. I would'nt be happy if we had a DE with 2 sacks in the last 2 seasons or a RB w/ 2 TD's in the last 22 games. 2 int in 22 DOES NOT cut it. Could you imagine if Schobel had 2 sacks in 22 games and was getting paid top dollar?

[daquixers_is_back]

The problem with this is that Nate has become one of these "maybe" players. I would'nt be happy if we had a DE with 2 sacks in the last 2 seasons or a RB w/ 2 TD's in the last 22 games. 2 int in 22 DOES NOT cut it.  Could you imagine if Schobel had 2 sacks in 22 games and was getting paid top dollar?

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If Schobel was stopping the run 97% of the time and missed a few tackles here and there then no i wouldnt mind it at all ... the fact is that (go watch a Bills game) Clements keeps his receiver in check most of the game. He may miss a tackle here or there or give up a catch here or there but he is mostly solid. He is not a maybe player. NFL teams dont pay top dollar for maybe players ... THINK ABOUT THIS --> OTHER TEAMS WANT CLEMENTS FOR A REASON!!!

[Hazed and Amuzed]

Who are these OTHER TEAMS?

[MartyBall4Buffalo]

If Schobel was stopping the run 97% of the time and missed a few tackles here and there then no i wouldnt mind it at all ... the fact is that (go watch a Bills game) Clements keeps his receiver in check most of the game. He may miss a tackle here or there or give up a catch here or there but he is mostly solid. He is not a maybe player. NFL teams dont pay top dollar for maybe players ... THINK ABOUT THIS --> OTHER TEAMS WANT CLEMENTS FOR A REASON!!!

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Man you're beating a dead horse around here. People won't realize how good nate was till he's gone. They'll simply reflect on the negative, and move on to a new whipping boy. They did it with Winfield, Ruben Brown, Pat Williams, Sam Adams, Moulds etc etc etc.

 

Nate's a very good corner and will get paid as such. Where as we'll wait for youboty to develop and repeat the process of drafting a corner only to see him leave via free agency, cause we don't, or won't pay him to stick around.

[daquixers_is_back]

Think about this though. A lot of these CB's INT's are coming off of easy tips that they catch. Their not all great INT's. Their just lucky.

 

Chris McAlister only has 3 INT's in his last 21 games.

 

Shawn Springs use to be considered one of the best CB's in the game and he has 1 INT in the past 15 games.

 

Patrick Surtain only has 1 INT in his last 49 games

 

Samari Rolle only has 3 INT in his last 32 games

 

Why didnt we make a play for Ty Law in the off-season? Heck why did the Jets let him go? He had 10 INT's last year and 2 INT's in 5 games this year ..

[daquixers_is_back]

Who are these OTHER TEAMS?

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To be honest im not sure ... they didnt evaluate ... it was on Fox's pregame. They said something like that Clements will be one of the best, if not the best, free agent out there.

[Swift Sylvan]

I think playing as a CB is probably the worst position in terms of publicity. Here are the reasons:

 

1. If you do a great job then no one will ever notice because the QB will never throw the ball in your direction

2. The only way for people to think you're really good is to get some INT's and unless you're doing zone the only way to get a chance is to have the QB think he can beat you.

3. Whenever your team loses it's generally everyone's fault, but chances are you will take a lot of the blame

 

I didn't watch the game, but if Clements hasn't been thrown on very much throughout the game.

 

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061015_BUF@DET

 

There's a link, Kitna probably threw 29 passes to non-RB/FB's, assuming he can hit a RB in the backfield consistantly, so if Clement's was only thrown on 5 times or less, he probably did a good job. I don't want to pay him 8 million dollars to do that, but frankly this is a team game, I can't see any reason why Crowell, Fletcher, and Spike should not have taken any blame for this, I think Clements came off as a jerk last year and as a result it's much easier to target him. Yeah Clements doesn't have an int, but niether does McGee our so called new playmaker. Marv is not an idiot and he wouldn't pay for Nate Clements to stay if he was incompetant, we all know that. If Nate is as sucky as you say he will be gone next year, but frankly I think there are a lot of people on this team who deserve just as much flack as him for this game, if not more.

[daquixers_is_back]

I think playing as a CB is probably the worst position in terms of publicity.  Here are the reasons:

 

1.  If you do a great job then no one will ever notice because the QB will never throw the ball in your direction

2.  The only way for people to think you're really good is to get some INT's and unless you're doing zone the only way to get a chance is to have the QB think he can beat you.

3.  Whenever your team loses it's generally everyone's fault, but chances are you will take a lot of the blame

 

I didn't watch the game, but if Clements hasn't been thrown on very much throughout the game.

 

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061015_BUF@DET

 

There's a link, Kitna probably threw 29 passes to non-RB/FB's, assuming he can hit a RB in the backfield consistantly, so if Clement's was only thrown on 5 times or less, he probably did a good job.  I don't want to pay him 8 million dollars to do that, but frankly this is a team game, I can't see any reason why Crowell, Fletcher, and Spike should not have taken any blame for this, I think Clements came off as a jerk last year and as a result it's much easier to target him.  Yeah Clements doesn't have an int, but niether does McGee our so called new playmaker.  Marv is not an idiot and he wouldn't pay for Nate Clements to stay if he was incompetant, we all know that.  If Nate is as sucky as you say he will be gone next year, but frankly I think there are a lot of people on this team who deserve just as much flack as him for this game, if not more.

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Good post.

[Hazed and Amuzed]

I think playing as a CB is probably the worst position in terms of publicity.  Here are the reasons:

 

1.  If you do a great job then no one will ever notice because the QB will never throw the ball in your direction

2.  The only way for people to think you're really good is to get some INT's and unless you're doing zone the only way to get a chance is to have the QB think he can beat you.

3.  Whenever your team loses it's generally everyone's fault, but chances are you will take a lot of the blame

 

I didn't watch the game, but if Clements hasn't been thrown on very much throughout the game.

 

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061015_BUF@DET

 

There's a link, Kitna probably threw 29 passes to non-RB/FB's, assuming he can hit a RB in the backfield consistantly, so if Clement's was only thrown on 5 times or less, he probably did a good job.  I don't want to pay him 8 million dollars to do that, but frankly this is a team game, I can't see any reason why Crowell, Fletcher, and Spike should not have taken any blame for this, I think Clements came off as a jerk last year and as a result it's much easier to target him.  Yeah Clements doesn't have an int, but niether does McGee our so called new playmaker.  Marv is not an idiot and he wouldn't pay for Nate Clements to stay if he was incompetant, we all know that.  If Nate is as sucky as you say he will be gone next year, but frankly I think there are a lot of people on this team who deserve just as much flack as him for this game, if not more.

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I don't blame this loss on Nate nor do I think he is "sucky" I'm simply stating he isn't winning any games for us so why should we pay him 8 mil. Thats alot of money for someone who is simply "not losing the game for us" Why don't we give Lindell 5 mil a year since he didn't lose the game for us either