Accepted.  And I do think it's too early to tell, but I must have written quite unclearly.  I didn't think I said anything about McKenzie putting up bigger numbers, or receiving numbers at all, in the post to which you replied.  That said I think we agree far more than we disagree.   First of all, if Shakir keeps working and avoids injury, I think there's no question he'll have a better career than McKenzie.  He's got better physical tools.  A guy with physically superior tools and equ