NFLPA wants no draft

[Wagon Circler]

They've been running the Bills without a draft for years.

[poo]

No draft and no salary cap would mean the end of the NFL as the most dominate pro sport in the USA. It would become the MLB 2.0. Dallas, Washington and New England would be guaranteed playoff spots by way of buying their way in (ala NY Yankees) and the Bill, Bengals, and all small market teams (I believe even Green bay) would fade off into obscurity.

This doesn't even begin to include the bad rap that Buffalo gets. It's almost impossible to get FA's to come here even now.

So yes NFLPA push this. Because when the league shinks down to 12 teams there be a lot less players to pay.

MLB has maintained a fairly competitive league despite the lack of a cap. despite the odd standout like the Pirates and their utter futility when it comes to competing at a high level, the MLB continues to churn out small market winners. While the Yankees and Boston do have monstrous pay rolls that ensure their shot at a title practically every year teams like the rays with little in the way of fan support or income continue to challenge for the al east. In the last ten years practically every team in the major leagues has made the playoffs at least once, with the exception of the pirates, and the list of world series winners for the same years has the yankees winning only one out of three appearances. No salary cap does not have to mean that the same teams win the big game every time. The patriots have been to the same number of super bowls and have won more then the yankees in the cap system in the past ten years.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Now that the lockout has been kiboshed, I think the league will now have to fork over the books and then the real fun at the negotiating table will start.

Why? Did the judge rule that private companies have to reveal their books for the past decade or so to any third party that formerly represented employees that demands they do so? What's the precedent?

 

It would be major overstepping in the case and any such ruling would be appealed and struck down easily, I would think.

[Hplarrm]

Such a ridiculous claim (players don't want draft) by their lawyer confirms the absurdity of the player's suit.

While the interpretation which the lead thread makes (the NFLPA wants no draft) is an overblown interpretation of the articles linked (which themselves are overblown interpretations of what the writer claims the NFLPA wants) they actually begin to point to the real issues being disputed here.

 

1. The players view themselves as not only partners with the team owners but in fact the majority partners and they want to be treated that way by their partners.

 

2. As far as it goes, the players have an advantage and in court with our constitutional democracy because the players arguments are for a freer market while the team owners endorse a more socialized system. When push comes to shove in the court system the players are gonna be pushing toward a freer market and likely will do well in American courts.

 

3. Though the players tend more towards a free market than the owners (who ran toward setting up the CBA when the players first threatened to decertify) they in the end prefer to make more money and a more socialistic system where the NFL undercuts the rights of individuals in favor of the whole makes tons more $ from the TV networks by delivering a stable product. The NFLPA has actually reached agreement with the NFLPA to bar adults from even signing NFL contracts until people born the same year they were are 21.

 

The NFLPA is happy to push for a salary cap which sets a minimum salary for its members even when one of the costs of doing this is actual adults being barred from selling their services to the NFL.

 

You accuse me of moving farther and farther from reality when in actuality as this dispute goes on you are hearing more and more discussion of the reality I am describing,

 

Where does this go in the end?

 

Who knows.

 

However, what seems obvious to me is>

 

1. The players are primarily motivated by what makes them the most money,

 

2. Salaries for player tend to go up when there is more competition between football leagues. In a true trickle down salaries for high profile players like Joe Namath and Jim Kelly skyrocket but in what is ultimately a team game we begin to see salaries for OL players to protect the QB. defenders to deliver the ball to the offense in scoring position and also to cover for miscues by the stars who always have to press to the edge to pull off miracles. Even ST players who have a direct role in winning the position battle on the field all profit right along with these high profile players.

 

3. The goals and strategies of NFL players should take seems clear to me: 1. Foster creation of a new league to increase competition for contracting with players. 2. Hurt but do not kill the NFL owners because though they have gotten too big for their britches following the socialist regime of Pete Rozelle, the players like their money. Keep the current CBA going but also foster more competition.

 

4. The main thing the owners provided was capital and management back in the old days. However, as the Packers demonstrated last year the team owners are not essential for providing management. Further, the real source of capital is now the TV networks.

 

The NFL will always need the best players who are folks like Brady et al. right now (and they will be replaced over time with a new generation. However, the owners are really unnecessary right now. They are little more than a middleman that actually raises costs for fans and demands a chunk from the players who really are the game.

 

Don't you agree we need replacement owners or do you have some deep woody for them for some reason?