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  1. I go with reality as it exists in the world under a blue sky. I know that you do not. And before you once again attack the messenger news site, the link to the pdf of the J6 timeline memo produced by the Capitol police is in the article. It confirms the Trump DOD was prepared authorize the NG request once it was formally requested, as is required by law. The sergeants at arms and mayor Bowser all rejected DOD efforts to receive a formal request. It's all there in writing from the very organizations that rejected the NG. Are we having fun yet? https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trump-pentagon-first-offered-national-guard-capitol-four-days-jan-6-riots-memo
  2. How did I know this would be what you'd say. This has been gone over many times. The POTUS doesn't have unilateral authority to call up the national guard. He can request the National Guard, but in DC it must be approved by either the house or senate sergeant at arms or the mayor of DC to deploy them. Trump did indeed request the NG for J6, and was denied by both the mayor and the sergeants at arms. Thanks for playing, but your masters don't program you with these types of inconvenient details.
  3. Next thing they'll tell you is that the chief of the Capitol Police isn't an expert on policing the Capitol because The National Pulse is the source of the interview and Tucker Carlson did the interviewing. Delusional useful idiots living under a green sky. In the hour-long interview, Sund laments the behaviors of then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as well as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, who he says had intelligence to suggest problems on Capitol Hill, which they failed to communicate with Sund and his cops on the ground. “If I was allowed to do my job as the chief we wouldn’t be here, this didn’t have to happen,” Sund begins, around 19 minutes into the conversation, during which he describes himself as “pissed off” about being “lambasted in public” over the events. “Everything appears to be a cover up,” says the decorated police chief, explaining that most things to do with his department were political, specifically because he reported to politicians including then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “Like I said, I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” Sund explains, “…but when you look at the information and intelligence they had, the military had, it’s all watered down. I’m not getting intelligence, I’m denied any support from National Guard in advance. I’m denied National Guard while we’re under attack, for 71 minutes…” “It sounds like they were hiding the intelligence,” Carlson quizzed, to which Sund stunningly responds: “Could there possibly be actually… they kind of wanted something to happen? It’s not a far stretch to begin to think that. It’s sad when you start putting everything together and thinking about the way this played out… what was their end goal?”
  4. This has all been gone over dozens of times already, so useful idiots will always parrot their masters narrative no matter what. Yuri Bezmenov, ideological subversion and all that.... But here is Kash Patel's testimony to J6 committee. Lying to Congress, at least for conservatives, is no small matter these days. How come Kash got away with "lying" to Congress Billsfuk.c? https://archive.org/details/january-6th-committee-witness-testimony-20211209-kashyap-pramod-patel/page/38/mode/2up?q=guard Oh, so you remember stuff like that. So, going off just the memory, and we can go back to the article when you bring it up, there was a meeting with the President of the United States, Acting Secretary Miller, and some others -- | can't recall off the top of my head -- where we were discussing, as the article states, something related to Iran. And, in that same meeting, | believe it was on or around January 4th, 3rd, 4th, or 5th, the -- as | stated earlier, in order for the Department of Defense's National Guard to be activated in any way we needed Presidential authorization. And President Trump at that -- [Discussion off the record.] BY Q Sure. Go ahead. A Okay. And so this question appears to implicate core executive privilege concerns. I'm prepared to answer it, but | want the record to reflect my serious concerns about congressional overreaching of this matter. So what | remember is that we knew, in order to get the National Guard even mobilized, we needed the President to at least say yes first. So what -- my recollection of that meeting is the President preemptively authorized 10 to 20 National Guardsmen and -women around the country -- sorry? 10- to 20,000. Mr. Sofer. You said 10 to 20. The Witness. Sorry, 10- to 20,000 National Guardsmen and -women to be utilized around the country. The second part of that, of course, would have to be the Governors, the Federal agencies, and the mayors would have to ask us for that to satisfy the law. But what he, | believe, and the Acting Secretary at the time were working out was we would not need to come back to the President should Mayor Bowser or anyone ask for 100, a thousand, 5,000, up to 20,000. Here's the memo where Mayor Bowser refused NG dated 1/5/21 and the memo outing multiple denials from Capitol police. The Capitol Police official timeline provides the most succinct summary of a series of events around Sund's request, some of which have been disputed and at times misreported in the news media. "COP Sund asks Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSAA) Michael Stenger and House Sergeant at Arms (HSAA) Paul Irving for authority to have National Guard to assist with security for the January 6, 2021 event based on briefing with law enforcement partner and revised intelligence Assessment," the timeline recorded. "COP Sund's request is denied. SSAA and HSAA tell COP Sund to contact General Walker at DC National Guard to discuss the guard's ability to support a request if needed."
  5. The fact is that Jan 6 was a deadly insurrection in which Trump supporters beat cops with flagpoles, full stop. That’s it." The FACT is that not a single cop died from injuries due to J6 rioting. The FACT is not a single homicide charge was brought. The FACT is no one was charged for a so-called "insurrection" where people did not even bring firearms into the capitol building. The FACT is the FBI knew months in advance and had informants within the extremist groups planning to be there. The FACT is there were numerous undercover police officers in the J6 crowd. The FACT is Capitol Police held open doors and even escorted the "Q Anon shaman" to the Senate chamber. The FACT is there were photographers and videographers all over the Capitol building. But the DOJ has charged independent and conservative journalists who were there reporting on it. The FACT is Donald Trump is on record wanting 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the electoral college challenges. The FACT is Speaker Pelosi refused to send National Guard troops even after former Capitol Police Chief requested them multiple times. J6 was a SET-UP. If we had news outlets instead of propaganda outlets, Nicolle Wallace would be thrown off the air.
  6. Fact: Trump authorized 10k national guard for J6. Fact: POTUS cannot unilaterally deploy the NG, a request must be made. Fact: House Sergeant at arms and DC mayor refused to make official NG request multiple times prior to J6. Fact: Kash Patel testified to both J6 committee and in Colorado case to the above facts Fact: Kash Patel still hasn't been charged with lying under oath. Because he didn't. Fact: Useful idiots know about none of the above.
  7. A few things we have known... Sund confirms that by LAW the house/senate sergeants at arms must grant approval to deploy the national guard. @John from Riverside From his first request on J6 to house SAA Irving for NG assistance approval and his ELEVEN subsequent calls until approval was finally given, 71 minutes elapsed. On the first request for help, Irving told Sund he'd have to "run it up the chain".... who is the last rung in the chain above Irving, @ChiGoose? Pelosi. A tidbit I hadn't yet heard.. The NG finally arrived at the Capitol at 6 pm. There were police officers from NEW JERSEY that arrived at the Capitol before the NG did. I encourage every non useful idiot to watch this interview. Sund was the friggin chief of Capitol police, he should be the very first person you'd want to hear from if you really wanted to get to the bottom of J6. Curiously he had to beg to give testimony and almost the entire media outside of Tucker has zero interest in interviewing him. I wonder why?
  8. That's not what I said. I asked why her suspicions are legitimate grounds in making ANY decision? This isn't hard dude. Oh fact checkers! From USA Today? You've got me. It's too bad we actually have the Capitol police memos made public that tell us exactly how things went down. I mean that's your thing right? Just read the documents, right? Or is it USA Today fact checkers? Cue the Kash Patel grifter crap despite all this being directly from the Capitol police memos themselves. "The Capitol Police timeline shows what we have been saying for the last year — that DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi," Patel said. "Now we have it in their own writing, days before Jan. 6. And despite the FBI warning of potential for serious disturbance, no perimeter was established, no agents put on the street, and no fence put up."
  9. Oh so Pelosi suspected Jordan and Banks were involved? Oh my. Well now if Nancy Pelosi has suspicions then stop the presses! Why are Nancy Pelosi’s suspicions legitimate grounds for well anything at all? The same Nancy Pelosi who rejected national guard assistance prior to J6 has suspicions about OTHER members of congress involvement in J6? Partisan hack says what again?
  10. A Capitol Police timeline obtained by Just the News shows the Trump Pentagon first offered National Guard troops to the Capitol Police on Jan. 2, 2021, four full days before the event. The police turned down the offer but then began to have second thoughts. The Capitol Police then asked their political minders — the House sergeant at arms chief among them — for permission to accept the troops on Jan. 4 but were turned down on the ground that such a show of force would create bad "optics," the records show. But the most compelling piece of evidence that Trump wanted to thwart — rather than incite —violence is contained in a lengthy memo written by the Pentagon inspector general that chronicled the assistance the Defense Department offered Congress both ahead of and during the riot. The complete passage — hardly mentioned by Democrats at the hearings or the news media covering them — is worth absorbing in its entirety. "Mr. Miller and GEN Milley met with the President at the White House at 5:30 p.m.," the IG reported. "The primary topic they discussed was unrelated to the scheduled rally. GEN Milley told us that at the end of the meeting, the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event. Gen Milley told us that Mr. Miller responded, 'We've got a plan and we've got it covered.'" You can read that memo here:
  11. So the medical examiner stated he died of natural causes and that there is no evidence that chemicals or injuries played a role in his death. Then we get his and other pathologists speculation, that you take apparently as fact, despite the statement above that was made based on evidence from the autopsy. Got it. Let's pull that thread a bit more then. If Trumps request to deploy the National Guard had been signed off on, as required by law, by either Pelosi or Bowser then Sicknick and the other four are likely still alive. Again, just saying she's a conservative doesn't prove she's lying although that seems to be the order of the day with the left. When she said the only people who died at the Capitol on J6 were four Trump supporters that was a statement of fact. Sicknick died the next day J7 from a stroke. He texted with his brother on the night of J6 and told him that he was fine although he had been sprayed.
  12. Why wasn't national guard deployed? Because those who are required BY LAW for their deployment refused the request multiple times.
  13. Facts. Inconvenient facts. But Paul Irving, Nancy Pelosi’s sergeant-at-arms at the time, and Michael Stenger, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s sergeant-at-arms, repeatedly denied requests by the Capitol police chief for extra help days before the Capitol protest. As the chaos unfolded that afternoon, Irving and Stenger continued to delay numerous pleas to deploy the National Guard. Although more than 1,000 guardsmen were stationed at the D.C. armory on the morning of January 6, they were not summoned to the Capitol complex until well after 5:00 p.m. No police officers died on January 6 or as a result of the protest: Four supporters of Donald Trump—Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, Kevin Greeson, and Benjamin Phillips—died on January 6. Babbitt, an unarmed veteran who posed no lethal threat, was shot and killed by Capitol police officer Michael Byrd around 2:45 p.m. near the Speaker’s Lobby. Boyland died around 4:30 p.m. outside the lower west terrace tunnel where D.C. and Capitol police were engaged in violent confrontations with protesters. Witnesses say Greeson and Phillips suffered fatal heart attacks after being hit with stun grenades, an explosive device used by police outside the building that afternoon. No one carried firearms into the building: On January 7, 2021, Pelosi described the previous day as an “armed insurrection,” a narrative that persisted for months. The public was led to believe gun-toting Trump supporters “stormed” the building with intent to harm or even kill lawmakers in an attempt to overthrow the government.
  14. Reading comprehension dude. The memo and the exact timeline of the denials you were not aware of. Has the committee shared that the Trump administration formally asked for up to 20k national guard troops in the days before J6 and the request was denied on multiple fronts? Why hasnt the committee in search of truth shared that information? They certainly must have had access to the very same memo. Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't share information that is exculpatory.....that's a tough one!
  15. Oh. Link to actual memo included.in story. The Capitol Police official timeline provides the most succinct summary of a series of events around Sund's request, some of which have been disputed and at times misreported in the news media. "COP Sund asks Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSAA) Michael Stenger and House Sergeant at Arms (HSAA) Paul Irving for authority to have National Guard to assist with security for the January 6, 2021 event based on briefing with law enforcement partner and revised intelligence Assessment," the timeline recorded. "COP Sund's request is denied. SSAA and HSAA tell COP Sund to contact General Walker at DC National Guard to discuss the guard's ability to support a request if needed." The Capitol Police timeline shows what we have been saying for the last year — that DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi," Patel said. "Now we have it in their own writing, days before Jan. 6. And despite the FBI warning of potential for serious disturbance, no perimeter was established, no agents put on the street, and no fence put up." Gee, I wonder why we haven't heard any of Patels testimony to the J6 committee? Cmon @ChiGoose do we have a deal?
  16. Once again the facts: Trump pre-authorized up to 20k national guard to be in DC for J6. POTUS cannot, under the law, deploy the NG unilaterally. Some dictator though, right? DOD/POTUS in ADDITION to the authorization must receive a request from local authorities to deploy the NG. Local DC authorities in the form of house/senate sergeants at arms and mayor of DC all declined to make the necessary lawful request multiple times in the days before J6. Leftist useful idiots and commies can try to spin and deny the above facts, and they repeatedly do, but it can't change the facts of history. You lose commies
  17. We have documentation that shows that Trump pre=authorized the national guard on J6 should any of the parties, required by law to deploy the NG, request it. We have documentation that shows that any individual among those required by law to request the NG in DC (house, senate sergeant at arms; DC mayor) all refused to make the request for NG presence on J6 when asked. They declined to make the request multiple times despite having intelligence that indicated the need for more law enforcement presence on J6. The only reason we've heard thus far as to why the NG was declined repeatedly was out of concern for the poor optics on display if a large NG presence was observed at the Capitol that day. In other words they declined the NG because politics. None of the above was included in the J6 committee report. If you don't have serious questions about the above documented facts then you quite simply are not a serious person who wants the full picture around the events of J6.
  18. 🎯 The J6 Pipe Bomb Threats Were the "Back-up Plan" The DNC & RNC pipe bomb threats were the "back-up plan" in the plot to frame Donald Trump and his supporters for an "insurrection" on January 6. They would have been a secondary justification to adjourn the Congress and suspend the election objections, should the manufactured riots not materialize as expected. In fact, the RNC/DNC pipe bomb threats led to the evacuation of the Cannon building and a Library of Congress building. This was no accident. Despite the "pipe bombs" — which appear to be non-functional because they lack batteries, and appear much like FBI training pipe bombs — sitting at the RNC & DNC headquarters for approximately 17 HOURS, they were both discovered within 30 minutes of Speaker Nancy Pelosi beginning the election certification in Congress. The DNC video shows MPD and Secret Service who are unperturbed by the presence of the "pipe bomb" and even allow pedestrians, including children, to walk nearby. Then, they dismantle the apparently inert pipe bomb with a robot. All while Kamala Harris, a U.S. Senator who should have been at the Congress, and a "historic" Vice President Elect, was inexplicably and secretively at the DNC headquarters. This goes beyond oddity. Especially when you learn that the cell phone data from the suspect was "corrupted," the J6 suspect footage was manipulated, and the Secret Service texts from both January 5th and 6th were "deleted." The DOJ to this day is still hunting down MAGA grandmas for merely looking at the Capitol on J6 — regardless of actions or intent — but "cannot" find the J6 pipe bomb suspect, despite extensive surveillance footage, knowledge of the person's license plate, and where several of the bomb components were purchased. But not only has the FBI failed to find the suspect, law enforcement failed to find the DNC "bomb" that sat in broad daylight for hours (someone even had a cup of coffee next to it). Somehow this Wile E. Coyote-looking device eluded detection by MPD and Secret Service. What are the odds? The J6 pipe bomb 'discoveries' came right as Trump ended his speech and moments prior to the expected election challenges in Congress. The RNC pipe bomb was 'discovered' by an intel-connected staffer whose report was handled by Capitol Police. The DNC pipe bomb was 'found' by a plainclothes Capitol Police officer. Both report to Pelosi. Who wasn't allowed to be questioned by the partisan J6 committee? Pelosi. Whose House Sergeant at Arms could have called for the National Guard at any time? Pelosi's. Whose House SAA turned down Capitol Police Chief Sund's requests for help from the National Guard? Pelosi's. It is painfully obvious what happened on January 6. All it takes is a pair of eyes, functional brain cells, and a mind open enough to investigate and process it.
  19. NEW: Trump's Defense Secretary Chris Miller alleges the January 6 Committee threatened to 'make his life hell' if he didn't stop saying Trump authorized National Guard deployment before the Capitol riot. Miller specifically implicates Liz Cheney in this intimidation effort, alleging committee members warned him of additional hours of questioning if he continued defending Trump's actions on TV. Additionally, the committee allegedly withheld a transcript from a senior White House official who corroborated Miller's claim that Trump sought to deploy 10,000 troops to the Capitol before January 6. General Milley also reportedly informed the Department of Defense Inspector General that Trump had requested a National Guard presence at the Capitol, an offer that the DC Mayor turned down. Why did the January 6 Committee choose to conceal so much evidence that exonerates Trump?
  20. Guys, there was no Pentagon screw up related to deployment of National Guard on Jan 6. The “optics” excuse was just that—an excuse to justify why guardsmen were not deployed. This was a coordinated effort between Milley, Pelosi, and DOD officials to prevent extra security that day. Are we truly supposed to believe Trump-hating subversives in the government worried about “optics” or honoring boundaries between law enforcement and the military? Mark Milley? Seriously? I was watching more J6 video this morning and again thinking that had a few thousand guardsmen been present at the Capitol—none of the mayhem would’ve happened. Which is the point. We are supposed to believe that Pelosi’s sergeant at arms AND McConnell’s sergeant at arms AND Army Sec Ryan McCarthy were basically unreachable that afternoon as calls for help poured in? Do not believe any analysis claiming this was just a chain of command failure or typical government power struggle. It was not. It was intentional and represents perhaps the most sinister aspect of January 6.
  21. Yes. By pre-authorizing up to 20k national guard that only needed a formal request from Peolsi to be deployed, Trump was clearly signaling his supporters to attack the Capitol.
  22. JFC. It's in the USCP memo in black and white. The memo in its entirety is linked in the Solomon piece above. He quotes from the USCP memo timeline as follows, with direct quote from USCP memo bolded. The Capitol Police official timeline provides the most succinct summary of a series of events around Sund's request, some of which have been disputed and at times misreported in the news media. "COP Sund asks Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSAA) Michael Stenger and House Sergeant at Arms (HSAA) Paul Irving for authority to have National Guard to assist with security for the January 6, 2021 event based on briefing with law enforcement partner and revised intelligence Assessment," the timeline recorded. "COP Sund's request is denied. SSAA and HSAA tell COP Sund to contact General Walker at DC National Guard to discuss the guard's ability to support a request if needed." And here is Kash Patel once again reiterating how he testified under oath to the J6 committee. Why can't we read his testimony? If he lied under oath there's another Trump crony that can be locked up, right? "We went to the Capitol Police and the Secret Service and law enforcement agencies and Mayor Bowser days before January 6, and asked them, 'Do you want thousands of National Guardsmen and women for January 6?'" Patel said in a detailed interview earlier this year. "They all said no. Why did we do that? The law requires them to request it before we can deploy them. And the DOD IG found we did not delay, we actually prepared in a preemptive fashion, which is what we do at DOD." Patel told Just the News on Wednesday night that the police timeline validated the account he has given to Congress. "The Capitol Police timeline shows what we have been saying for the last year — that DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi," Patel said. "Now we have it in their own writing, days before Jan. 6. And despite the FBI warning of potential for serious disturbance, no perimeter was established, no agents put on the street, and no fence put up."
  23. The Capitol police memo shows that the DoD under Trump made national guard request and it was turned down multiple times. For the intellectually impaired like @BillStime, the pdf of the memo is linked in the story below so you can read it yourself, not that words in black and white would make an difference in his case. Additionally, the LAW requires that Pelosi or Bowser to formally request the National Guard. Trump or any President CANNOT deploy them unilaterally.
  24. For the 1000th time Trump cannot unilaterally order the NG to deploy. So Miller would be correct in that testimony because Trump or any President does not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. Trump can, through the DoD, ask if those who are required by law to make the request to deploy the NG (SSAA, HSAA or DC mayor) if they would like to make that request. Which is exactly what happened. The entities whose formal request is required turned down the opportunity for NG deployment multiple times. Crickets indeed.
  25. Release ALL the J6 security footage. All of it. Who is responsible for denying Trump admin request for national guard troops? Why haven't we heard a single thing about the suspect who planted pipe bombs at DNC / RNC headquarters? An update would sure be nice. How about we hear from Ray Epps? You want Trump and others communications from J5-J7th? Fine. Let's get Pelosis, Schiffs etc. as well. Until they at minimum do the above this whole thing is a political clown show sham and I'm shocked that the usual suspects here have fallen for it hook, line and sinker
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