jimmy_from_north_buffalo

No hyperbole here

Most of your post is right wing talking point nonsense, but this gem has to be addressed. I understand you know very little about history, but please try and add to this statement. What did Roosevelt 'give' to Stalin that led to the Cold War? I think I know what you are thinking about, but please, let's hear what you mean

Damn living wage! A liberal socialist plot

1) No, its your way of ignoring the fact that the tax cuts have ballooned the deficit. 2) Well you are dead wrong, then. The New Deal did just what you said about the World War Two spending, it created billions of dollars of basic infrastructure. The TVA alone created the foundation of economic growth in much of the South. Check out the history of Nashville before and after the Great Depression. Two different worlds. Taking it a step further, that economic growth in the South was the real reason the Civil Rights movement was possible, IMO. 3) Poppy rooster. More proof that propaganda works 4) Sure, lets not give our elderly the medicine they need to live. Brilliant! 5) And following your ideas will lead us to the capitalist's paradise of China. Ya, the air will be unbreathable, the water will kill you if you drink it, but hey, at least everyone will have low paying jobs!

1) Ending the Iraq fiasco would be a good place to start. I would perfere to cancel the tax cuts altogether and think more long term, like paying down the debt. Sure, its an enmormous monster, but at least for every portion that gets paid down you save some on interest payments. And a growing economy will also 'naturally' shrink the debt. 2) The New Deal was an attempt to get the capitalist economy moving again, not to destroy capitalism. FDIC was a measure that successfully strengthened the most capitalistic of capitalist enterprises, the banks. Many capitalists hated things like the Wagner act, increased taxation, regulations and such, but with people starving on the streets, that's too bad for them

1) Yes, spending increased, which also boosts tax receipts, so tax cuts did contribute significantly to the deficit. You do understand that increased spending boosts tax reciepts, don't you? 2) [Chuckle] You mean the massive government spending on the war ended the depression? So if you are saying that the New Deal did not go far enough, I agree. But the New Deal did make the depression livable for Americans. FDR didn't simply let the people starve to death like Hoover was doing. 3) Yes there is a delicate balance, I agree. 4) Again, I was not talking about geographic location, I was talking about your political position being way out in the wilderness.

Liberal California has a high tech industry, too.

Oh no, you mean its not a perfect? Actually, the city's economy is doing pretty good. Has lots of fortune 500 companies there and its still has a numberr of manufacturing jobs. Have you been to the waterfront? It is beautiful. Interesting you mentioned the schools. How's that right wing vaucher program doing there? Not that I'm against it, but the BS right wing argument that it will force the public schools to shape up is a joke.

It would be even better if we felt like our military was being used to defend our nation instead of being thrown into some far out quagmire with no real mission.

Would you get a rush out of shooting him yourself?

I thought you said nothing was interesting about the story? Anyway, you called him a pvssy but he isn't. He has concluded what many people have, that this war is wrong on many different levels. He has said he will go to Afganistan, and it would have been rather sporting if the army had allowed him to do so. When I was in the military they actually taught us to disobey immoral orders. That's basically what he is doing. He really is braver than the average soldier or marine. He is willing to fight and also willing to go to jail for what he believes is right.

1) The Debt might just kill us, but so might our dependence on oil. And don't forget, the tax cuts are what are adding to the debt now. Or do you actually [giggle] believe the right wing clap trap that tax cuts create more revenue? And the Socialist programs saved capitalism. Wealth must be redistributed or the machine grinds to a halt. 2) Yes, government spending does help keep the world going round. Sorry you are too emotional tied to right wing ideology to see that. Be careful what you wish for... Oh, and I don't hate the rich at all. You shouldn't show your ignorance by assuming things that are not true. I hope we keep creating more millionairs, its healthy for the economy. 3) Yes 4) I was talking political wilderness

The factory jobs closed there and moved to China. That's a fact and it can't be blamed on Liberal programs and especially Unions, cause they don't have them.

Sort of an interesting story. I'm sure he will go to jail for 8 years. I wonder if we will still be in Iraq when he gets out of jail? Here is the Wikipedia article on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada

Your ignorance is driving your opinion. The facts are we as a nation--rich, middle class and poor--are wealthier, healthier and have more free time than before the social programs of the New Deal and Great Society came along. That's just undisputable. Moron? I think not. Know who is a moron? The guy who would love to cut government spending and have all those people who benefit from that spending with jobs lose those jobs. Taxes would sure go down, especially for the wealthy, but the human misery index would sure shoot up. That's when poverty would increase. You always make it a point to say you do not supporting either political party. Neither party follows your strict anti-government philosophy. Know why that is? Because in a modern properous society the government needs to take an active role in may areas. The notion that it shouldn't is childish. That's why you are so far out in the wilderness

First off, my point that redistributing income is correct. It has to be done. Secondly, blaming liberalism for Buffalo's decline can only be done by ignoring some very basic truths. No doubt a person like you has no problem ignoring the most basic truths, but I'll just throw some ideas at you none the less. Conservative states like North Carolina and Ohio and West Virginia, to name a few, have all experienced heavy job loses as well. The factories have gone to other countries because there are fewer environmental laws and workers don't make nearly as much money. Perhaps a strict laissez-fair policy on the part of the states could have kept more jobs here, but the wages would be so low only illegals would want them, and then the right would be up in arms about illegals 'taking' jobs. As to other cities being better than Buffalo I would agree, but again, you and the other Conservative simply chalk that up to liberalism. I'd call it governmental incompetence, which does not have to be the case. Government planning is very important and needs to be done right. We haven't got that here while other cities have been more blessed. Ever been to Milwaukee? Beautiful city. In a very Progressive state. The Progressive movement in many ways started in Wisconsin and they are getting it right. Their waterfront is impressive and really simply beautiful. What did we do to our beautiful park? We put the 1-190 right through the middle of it. That's not liberalism, that's pure imcompetence.

Hysterical! Yes, liberal programs ruined the ghetto, created more poverty and generally destroyed America

Perhaps a basic government course at a local college could bring you up to speed on how much federal funding is used to fund 'basic' programs at the state and local level

Actually I'm for centralizing the health care system and taking the pressure off of the local areas.

lol, no, because the place is such a mess he can't announce when he, or anyone else, is going there.

Virtually the same as when? Poverty was much worse in the past. Liberal programs have spread prosperity over a much wider segment of society through the TVA, road projects and zillion other programs that put people to work. I'm also happy to say that redistribution of income works great. If you think other wise you have no idea how the economy works. Pork is a good thing overall. Everyone complains about it except for people who get jobs as forest ranger, cops, teachers, nurses and construction people. What Republicans do wrong is not to pay for it, it all goes on credit. Liberalism saved capitalism by redistributing income. When was the last great depression? Oh and Social Security has worked to help the eldery live more independent worry free lives. Sure there may be problems with it, but it can be fixed.

I find it more amusing that everytime Iraq is held up to be what it is the far-right gets into a tizzy about the media.

Nothing programmed at all. Point is, people who don't believe government can be used as a positive force probably shouldn't be in charge of nation building. Would you put a communist in charge of a major private corporation?

Oh it is different. The liberal spending programs actually do some good. Iraq is a complete disaster all around. Well, unless you hold share in Halliburton I suppose

From White House press conference: Q Tony, when does Secretary Gates go to Iraq, tomorrow? MR. SNOW: One thing you never do is announce when somebody is going to go to Iraq. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20061218-6.html