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    Roll call for officiating conspiracy believers

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    11 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

    I never claimed they lost games once again so there’s nothing to list. There is no legit cheating going on. There is too much to lose for everyone. 100’s of billions of dollars.. The NFL or even kraft would risk the insane yearly revenue stream? If a legit scam or cheat happened and the actual NFL and an owner is involved and planned it, it’s the end of the NFL. They would never survive. The criminal charges and media coverage would ruin the league not to mention the Vegas blowback. 
    Why do they need to cheat? Is the LEAGUE’s bottom line that much higher with a patriot super bowl win than say Seattle? 
    You could easily argue that for the league this season it would be much more profitable to get Kansas City or Baltimore in the Super Bowl over New England. So come playoff time will we see Jackson and mahomes get the elite quarterback treatment? Or they still favor Brady? Secrets can only stay secrets for so long, someone would talk. A bitter official, former disgruntled front office guy blackballed, the league has been out and out cheating for 20 years and nobody talks? Ever? 

    Let’s wait and see, shall we?  Time may very well tell.  Some of us just know what our eyes see, as noted above, and wonder why it never, ever seems to even out.  Does that definitively mean that they’re cheating (yet again)?  No, of course not.  But to me at least, it plus all else we know about this team and its dirtbag owner means that the possibility of something untoward going on should not be shoved aside so easily.
     

    And BTW, it has happened already in other Leagues (NBA and Italy’s Serie A soccer league).  

    Roll call for officiating conspiracy believers

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    19 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

    I never said the pats or anyone lost any game over a bad call. Bad calls happen to every team. Brady is protected in lots of instances but so is Rodgers and Brees and the other top quarterbacks. These plays you highlight happen all the time and don’t get called. Favoritism happens in every sport when the top key players are involved. Lebron James lowers a shoulder like a safety and bulls over some poor defender and hits easy and 1 layups for his entire career and it’s never called a foul. Same stuff for Brady and Manning when he played and the list goes on. 
    Cam Newton got slaughtered a few years ago and was on sports center every week taking late hits and hits to the head and no flags. Everyone knows the golden boys at quarterback in the NFL get those calls, Newton did not. Basically every company in this country has favoritism why would the NFL or NBA be so different in protecting what they consider to be their key pieces to success? 

    Please simply list examples of games they lost on League-wide controversial bad calls—it’s a very simple question. Off the top of my head I listed a whole bunch they won that way.  If there was anything close to randomness involved here, it would even out, yet it doesn’t seem to when it comes to them.  Remember, too, that we’re dealing with a team that has been caught cheating and pushing the envelope of acceptable behavior many, many times.

     

    If it’s simply “the Jordan effect”, please explain (a) why Peyton Manning didn’t seem to get a similar benefit of the doubt during his  HOF career (in fact, one of the most egregious examples of multiple bad calls at the end of a game going New England’s way (the aforementioned 2004 AFCCG) came against Manning), and (b) why no other teams are known to get the benefit of calls anywhere near the level of New England (look no further than the cottage industry of “New England owns the refs“ memes that have cropped up over the last few years).

     

    Please be specific.

    Roll call for officiating conspiracy believers

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

    Watch the games. I don’t have archive footage saved on my phone lol. 
    The pats don’t get every call. As I said the refs blow calls across all games and each teams fan base complains. Read patriot fans comments on Facebook and see how much they cry about the refs being against kraft and against the patriots 

    LMAO—you pontificate one this issue as if you’re a pro, but yet can’t answer a simple question to name a single game they’ve lost on a bad call.  
     

    I can name probable a dozen they’ve won that way—let’s see, we’ve got “just give it to them”, the Ravens Monday nighter in 2007 (in which there were multiple pro-Pats bad calls in the 4th quarter to allow a game- winning drive, so bad that several Ravens got fined for making comments about the refs, to the game one week later that year against the Giants for game 16 (30

    yard penalty swing late when a Pat hit a Giants return man late and out of bounds, but the G-Men get the penalty, to the AFCCG vs the Colts where on successive plays in front of a ref Marcus Pollard was obviously held (the League changed a related rule the next year), to a personal favorite vs the Texans where late  in the game Brady throws a late apparently game-sealing pick, but wait, wait, wait for it, there’s an incredibly late flag totally away from the play that the announcers couldn’t even understand, to this gem from a few years back vs the Saints— here’s a shot from the last play of the game where a Saint defender was clearly held as Brady threw the game-winning TD.  
     

    All off the top of my head.  
     

    Please provide a similar list of games they got jobbed on and which was controversial across the League, like all of those above were.

     

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    Roll call for officiating conspiracy believers

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    8 hours ago, kbarrettb said:

    Yes I’m Mr Kraft. I can’t stand the Patriots. I’ve been a Bills fan in California since I was 8. But this nonsensical conspiracy theory the refs are rigging it has got to stop. There is no conspiracy. There is no Buffalo is a small market so let’s treat them ***** stuff going on. Green Bay’s in the middle of no where Wisconsin and they get play everywhere. If the Bills weren’t a laughing stock for 18 years they’d get more play simple as that. Kansas City is in no where town and Maholmes is talked about as the second coming. If your talented the media will find you. Mike Trout plays in Anaheim and he’s won 3 MVPs. If the Angels were better he’d have even more but they’ve sucked since he’s been there. Be better. The Bills are better now. Hopefully it continues. Stop having a baby mentality and stop blaming it on the refs. Let’s go Bills end of rant. 

    Very simple question—name us some games New England has lost on blatantly bad calls over the years.

     

    We can all literally name about a dozen or more they’ve won that way.  I follow this all fairly closely and can name 1 they lost on an arguably bad call (a Monday or Sunday nighter vs Carolina about 6-7 years ago).  Shouldn’t it even out at some point if it were truly random or even semi-random?

     

    And it doesn’t have to be the League itself fixing games—any billionaire certainly has the resources to explore doing it.  And remember, we had an owner who didn’t even swear.  Bob Kraft, meanwhile, started dating a woman his granddaughter’s age several months after his wife died.  Not to mention assorted other moral issues he’s had....,

    Bills at Giants Pre-Game thread

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    23 minutes ago, richNjoisy said:

    I posted this in another thread (TV Guide).  Bills at Giants not listed as the game in NJ.  It is the Miami game. It has to be a mistake but the locals are going nuts.

    I noticed that, too, last night when I went to set my DVR.  I suspect it has to do with the Giants being an NFC team (and normally on Fox), so the guide folks assumed the CBS game would be the Pats* game.  Like you, I’m hoping they’re wrong.....

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