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That is also pending the results of free agency and who we sign along the offensive line.
Jon Runyan and Kevin Mawae, is what i hear from "deep inside the Bills organization".
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I've said it before and i'll say it again, the Bills should trade down and get Broderick Bunkley!
The way i see it is that the Detroit Lions pick immediately after the Bills and they will more than likely be looking at quarterbacks. So we trade down with a team who wants a quarterback like Cutler or Young, which ever falls that low, and we extort picks out of them the way the Patriots and Jaguars extorted picks out of us.
Ultimately the Bills would have to fall to around 12-15 overall, and then we get Bunkley and we have another pick in a later round that we could put to good use on a safety, center, tight end, or a stud defensive end.
If you are rebuilding your team i think this is the way you need to go.
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Amen.
Ralph is like that grandfather everybody had that although he never said the right thing and rambles on, you still love him to death. Ralph Wilson made Buffalo Bills football, gave us all something to B word about in our spare time, and helped structure this league the way it is, it's about time that everybody realizes that.
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I believe that the penalty for tampering is the loss of a draft pick on the first day, or something to that affect.
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Sort of like that QB that wasn't good enough for Big Blue a couple of years ago, what was his name? oh yeah Tom Brady. The truth is Watson has been very impressive at the Senior Bowl and combine and likely elevated himself back into the 1st Round after falling out of it do in part because of his poor play this season.
I think that the fact that Watson is willing to work in the weeks before the draft means that he looks for short cuts. I think he didn't try on the football field because he knew that he could just impress at the combine and still climb into the 1st or second round.
I think it is all about money for a guy like this and his main goal for his career is not to win a championship or elevate his level of play, but instead elevate the amount of money in his pocket. His main goal is to be drafted high and then turn into Gilbert Brown.
Forgive me if you think differently, but that's just how i see it.
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If we were to trade down i would want to draft Broderick Bunkley with the pick. The guy is a beast. At the combine he benched 225, 44 times. When he was at Florida State, he broke some kind of record for most tackels for a loss.
If we trade down, we better take a serious look at Bunkley because i don't care what people say, he will not be there in the second round.
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There are way too many variables that have the possibility of coming into play there. I still think Euhus might be able to pull something off, and i would and i woldn't be disappointed if the Bills didn't draft a tight end.
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Maddux brings nothing to the table but the plague of sucking personel that has seemed to migrate from Pittsburgh to Buffalo.
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I think Davis is the best choice at Tight End for anyone in the draft, as the popular consensus agrees.
For some reason i am souring on the idea of Ngata. I know it is a need position but i think we will be picking up Pickett without a problem.
The guy that i believe is going to slip under the radar into probably the third or fourth round is Dominique Byrd from USC. The man is an absolute giant and provided a large target down field for Leinart.
In 2005 alone he did not have that great of numbers, but when a team has Reggie Bush, ask yourself how many times are they going to be going to anyone but? He had 29 receptions for 306 yards, and a long of 52 yards. No touchdowns scored last year, and he is a little short a 6'3", but also weighs 260 lbs.
I would prefer Davis as of right now, there is no doubt about that as i think he is a person that could line up at WR on certain plays and also be an outlet for Losman on most plays, and could still get the ball up field. But if we don't get him and we get something of need or trade down, I think a guy like Byrd could help the Bills a lot.
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One thing I'll say about Losman is this: if you look at the total number of points scored when Losman was QB the second time around, and take away the points produced by the defense and return units, he averaged seven fewer points per game than Holcomb. (You take away the defense/return unit points for Holcomb too.)
A difference of that magnitude provides strong evidence that Holcomb significantly outplayed Losman, even when just looking at Losman's second stint.
Should the Bills take a QB in the first round? Certainly first round QBs can be busts, as perhaps evidenced by Losman himself. But offensive tackles taken fourth overall can be busts too. So can first round defensive ends drafted by GMs on their way to San Diego. I don't know that there's any such thing as a "safe" player position to draft. So yeah, if I'm Levy, I'm taking a long, hard look at all the options with the first round pick, including QB.
Agreed. With the looking at all the positions in the draft. It's just that he will be looking at some more than others.
I think Losman is not a bust seeing as it was only his first year in the drivers seat. We all know that sometimes teenagers get into accidents when they first start driving, but that doesn't mean that they will never be good drivers. What makes a teenager a good driver is learning from the experience of their accident(s) and using what they have learned to better themselves.
That is what will make or break Losman, along with his stamina from the negativity from most of the people in Buffalo.
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"No one is saying he's the best quarterback available, are they? I still think Leinart should go first.
What I'm saying is that these so called negative sides that you are posting just aren't there. In fact, a lot of what the media is saying about Vince isn't true if you have been following his career, and the things he HAS had some problems with they aren't talking about."
I know you aren't saying that, what the innitial argument was that we should trade up for Vince Young because Losman has some how been labeled a bust. I wasn't accusing you of saying he was the best quarterback available, i think you took it that way with my first post.
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So what if you are? How does that change anything?
Ah, yeah, pointing to a game last year is really a good indication of strength this year.
No, not accurate. He wasn't the most accurate quarterback in the Big 12. In fact, if you had read my post, you would have realized that I commented that he had accuracy issues during his career at Texas.
He was the most efficient quarterback in college football. This means that he was taking what the defense gave him and making smart decisions with the football. There were several games this year when he completed 60+ yard passes, and also games that he didn't.
However, what he didn't do was chuck it up for grabs when there was nothing around.
And your point being....?
No one is saying he's the best quarterback available, are they? I still think Leinart should go first.
What I'm saying is that these so called negative sides that you are posting just aren't there. In fact, a lot of what the media is saying about Vince isn't true if you have been following his career, and the things he HAS had some problems with they aren't talking about.
I don't think Vince would have a problem, at least not more then any other quarterback in this draft. Vince has a strong arm, and in games like those, throwing short balls is usually the gameplan by coaches. Throwing a 60+ yard pass in those conditions doesn't happen very often, and usually results in a bad decision.
Right. You focus on ONE thing that I say, and call me "simple minded". Actually, you're being the simple minded one here. Let's take a look at the points:
1.) You think that Wonderlic = how smart someone is.
2.) You think that one game, USC, has defined Vince Young's college career.
3.) You think exactly what the media is telling you to think, that Vince has a soft arm without actually pointing to any instances in which he has.
Oh, and not only that, but you have the audacity to come on here and call other people dumbasses when you're a freaking retard.
Yeah, right. Seems like you hate anyone that doesn't agree with you, and have no problems as to start slinging mud.
Because top quarterbacks don't work out at the combine.
AFAIK Matt Leinhart didn't throw for scouts either. He also must be hiding something.
Eli Manning skipped the combine. So did Philip Rivers. They also were hiding something.
I had no problem with any of your views. What pissed me off was your reference to me as a racist. The fact that i take umbrage at it is eveidence enough that i am in fact not a racist.
Sorry you are a big Vince Young fan, but i think that because of that, your view is a little jaded as to his strengths and weaknesses.
All an NFL team would have to do to stop Vince Young is go into a zone defense and not have any more people than you have to covering the deep ball, seeing as he can't get it there and a smart offensive coordinatior would realize that he can't make the deep throws. So all you would have to do is have people no deeper than lets say 20 yards.
I respect your opinion and i think Young has the potential to be okay. I am just pointing out some of the flaws with him. That is not a crime or stupidity.
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If it were me as the GM, i would more than likely pursue Runyan or Tank Williams
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One more thing, if Young really had the arm that BlueFire thinks, than why didn't he work out at the combine. I think someone is hiding something.
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Wow that is possibly some of the dumbest sh*t i have ever heard. With the exception of the Losman comment. School is in session, listen to me teach you and study up.
1.) Young has a weak arm? Puh-leeze. He has accuracy problems, much like Losman, but his arm strength is fine. I've seen him throw it 60+ yards no problem and made it look easy when competing passes. He also has good zip on the ball when he throws it in short/medium routes. You must not have watched him throughout his career in Austin, but rather just seen one or two games.
2.) Lets take a look at a couple different things before you make dumbass comments.
First of all, he had 267 yards passing, and completed 30 of 40 passes. Thats right, he had a 75% completion percentage against the "greatest team in the history of college football". Yeah, he might not have had a passing touchdown, but he was an extremely efficient passer and got the job done.
Wow, you are actually saying people like Vince Young because he's black? You know how freaking racist and retarded that is?
The dude DOES have great football instincts, and he only gets better year after year with his decision making. There have been quotes from Texas players every year talking about how good his decision making was, and that its a real asset for the team.
He's was THE most efficient passer in college football last year, and he singlehandedly willed his team to the national championship. If you don't think thats good football instincts, I don't know what the hell you think is.
Not to mention he had 267 passing yards, 200 rushing yards, and 3 touchdowns. Yeah, thats really bad football instincts.
Right, because a 16 on the Wonderlic means that he has a tiny I.Q. Lets look at the facts. First, a quote from the Houston Chronicle from a few days ago:
So the Wonderlic, while it is just ONE way to test for the ability to make decisions, it isn't THE way to test for the ability to make decisions.
Let's take a look at some of the quarterbacks over the years that have scored a 16 or less on one of their accurate attempts, like apparently Vince Young did
(these statistics courtesy of http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm)
Losman, J.P.
Culpepper, Daunte
McNabb, Donovan
McNair, Steve
Cunningham, Randall
Marino, Dan
Now, let us take a look at some of the quarterbacks over the years that did exceptionally well by scoring a 30 or above on one of their accurate attempts:
Losman, J.P.
Bledsoe, Drew (who we all know makes extremely quick decisions)
Henson, Drew
Harrington, Joey
Brown, Travis
Smith, Akili
Griese, Brian
So yeah, this test must really measure whether someone is smart or stupid. Also, it is a pretty good indicator of how good someone will be on the football field.
Yeah, because Oklahoma and Nebraska are just a bunch of farm boys.
Nevermind that the final top 25 rankings this year had 4 big 12 teams, and Texas had to beat USC and Ohio State in addition to the other 3 big 12 teams. Thats 5 top 25 teams, seems like a bunch of farm boys to me.
Class for today is now over. I hope you learned something here, and will stop being such a !@#$tard toward other people about their opinions, when yours are equally stupid.
When Vince Young becomes a free agent a few years from now because the team that picks him finds out that he is a bust, i will laugh so hard.
What if i were to tell you i were "black", what would you have to say about that? Just the fact that you think i am white and making a comment like that is a racist comment. As to the idea that there is no favor towards african american quarterbacks - for those of us who wish to keep this politcally correct - and the NFL wanting them to succeed, just look at Michael Vick. Over reated.
Just so you know as to how the voting system works in college football, the media votes on the teams. The media, incase you don't watch ESPN or read any other newspapers, do not know a damn thing about sports.
Discussing the fact that the Big 12 is good, I point to the National Championship game between LSU and Oklahoma.
It is easy to be the most accurate quarterback in the Big 12 when you are throwing short passes to fast receivers.
Anybody can score a 16 on the Wonderlic test when they are taken aside and patted on the back, tutored, and given the same test again.
There is no doubt that Vince Young had a good performance in the National Championship game. But the fact of the matter is that before the game, Mel Kiper and draft experts were saying Young would not transfer well to the NFL very well. Now just because he rushes for three touchdowns against a USC team that was beaten by Notre Dame, does not mean that he is suddenly the best quarterback available.
In an NFL quarterback you want a guy who does not always run and has the ability to throw the ball deep, and be accurate. If you want Vince Young, you need to consider the idea of the winds in Ralph Wilson Stadium and ask yourself if Vince Young could hack it there. Example, the Arizona Cardinals game last year that i attended where the hail and ice were raining down sideways.
So it turns out that much like the public school system, your judgement and evaluation of the situation absolutely blows, because you're narrow minded and don't think of the possibility that there is a possibility of the NFL wanting a successful african american quarterback. For example, i point to Warren Moon. Did you hear his acceptance speach after he took Thurman Thomas' spot in the Hall of Fame? Don't tell me this isn't a racial thing, you stupid simple minded jack@$$.
Sorry to everybody for ruining this thread but i hate people like this.
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Ok, perhaps some of you missed Marv's comments about how we want faster, smaller D-Linemen. Every where I look I see people saying we're going to draft Ngata. Well, a 338 pound Samoan dude ain't light or very fast for that matter. Unless Marv has no clue what he's talking about (there is always that chance) we're looking for guys who can fly to the ball (a la Lovie Smith defensive style) rather than big 2-gap DT's.
So I don't wanna see no more Ngata. Period.
He might just be saying smaller DT's to try to throw people off, so if anything i would say there is a very good chance that we draft Ngata.
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oh please--of course YOUNG has more promise. The guy is a winner---almost singlehandedly won the national championship game.In my book that shows TONS of promise. The guy has great football instincts--and played real football--not Tulane football.--That being said--I havent given up on JP.
Wow that is possibly some of the dumbest sh*t i have ever heard. With the exception of the Losman comment.
1. Young has a weak arm and if you have a weak arm in the NFL, you are not going to have success.
2. In case you weren't paying attention in the naitonal championship game, Young did not throw one touchdown all game. He is Michael Vick with a weaker arm.
3. "The guy has great football instincts", so you have anylized the game film of all of his games and came to this conclusion with your expert opinion. The fact that you are buying into the hype of another African American quarterback just shows your lack of football knowledge.
4. He has the I.Q. of a state worker!
5. Big 12 football the best? Just because Miami and Florida State had off years, does not mean that Young was not beating up on a bunch of farm boys from Nebraska or Oklahoma.
6. I was just thinking about this question for those of you who think the Bills should trade up. When was the last time Buffalo traded up in the first round? This is not Madden football people!
7. Atleast you haven't given up on Losman. That's more than i can say for a lot of people on this website. I think you dumb @$$e$ need to stop being so retarded. It makes you sound ignorant, mainly because Losman played, what, 8 games.
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For anybody even discussing the Bills getting Leinart and giving up on Losman after the few games he started is a simple minded fool.
Did SOPRANO start this link too?
This is complete and total amatuer hour.
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I feel shame.
Especially since Moulds turned down another offer
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Before we throw in the proverbial towel, let's give Marv a little room. Exactly what have we lost? An non-productive #4 pick. Older players (Adams, Milloy, & assuming Moulds) who have been disruptive forces in the locker room. are seriously overpaid relative to their performance, and have lowering anticipative performances given their age. And we are also setting the stage for Losman in that the Holcobm (?) supporters are being exited (Moulds, Campbell). It looks like Marv is trying to set a different culture in the locker room.
What do we get? We maximize our Salary Cap possibilities. If we get a LT or RT in free agency, we can move Gandy to G and put Preston at Center. The line is improved without any other moves via FA or the draft. Everett or Euhus can take over TE (Everett is a 3rd round pick, Preston a4th rounder - these rounds are the backbone of most teams so we should expect them to be able to play. They're not a 5th, 6th, or 7th round reach). Obviously we need a #2 receiver but let's not forget Parrish was pretty highly regarded before the injury. We're not THAT far away at receiver. On defense, we still have a 1st rounder, a second rounder, and freed up cap money.
Is this enough for the playoffs next year? Probably not but the chances of going are not that great since Losman will only be a 2nd year starter. We need to use 2006 to set the tone for 2007. Who knows we may get lucky in 2006. But keeping the old, big contracts aren't getting us to the Super Bowl with a QB in his second year starting anyway (don't even bother with the Big Ben/Steelers analogy - that logic put us where we are right now).
My dog takes bigger craps than Roscoe Parrish himself. He is not a #2 receiver. Euhus is already on the borderline cut or keep list. I do have to agree with you on the cuts except for Moulds. Why people have suddenly turned the junk yard dogs on Moulds is out of my comprehension.
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I sat here and watched Soprano say that Sherman would be the next head coach and on the TV i heard that Dick Jauron had just arrived at the Buffalo airport.
I think he is reaching way into the bull's @$$ for this information about EM.
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Tank Williams is a beast!
First off i think he could figure out the cover 2 because the guy went to Stanford.
He can hit with the best of them and he seems to always be around the ball. I say we get him, because it comes down to either a guy named Coy or a guy named Tank.
I'll take the Tank.
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I could see EM in Dallas with Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe.
If that does happen, the Cowboys will have three out of the four receivers picked in the first round of the 1996 draft. (Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Eric Moulds)
QB's doomed to PLUMMET in the 2006 Draft?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I think the first thing most people are forgetting is that the Jets have tried to/ want to/ or have, set up a private workout with Matt Leinart.
Steve McNair is crazy about Vince Young and has some kind of spell on the people in Tennessee. (Example: The fact that he has been able to stay on the roster for a lot more money than he deserves. I forget the exact figure cause i am unsure if he renegotiated.)
Culpepper want to go to a team that has a very good chance of winning, and more than likely that would be found in the NFC. Not to mention, he and Randy Moss weren't exactly the best of friends in Minnesota. Al Davis also loves the idea of a young quarterback with a strong arm, so if Cutler is there than he may take him.
If he doesn't take Cutler, it will be more than likely he has signed Dante Culpepper.
If Cutler or Young are still on the board it is important to remember that Detroit is behind the Bills at #9, and they need a quarterback. So that would mean that the best thing the Bills could do is trade down and get a guy like Broderick Bunkley or something that we need.
The fact that there are people out there that think that we should draft a quarterback and forget about Losman have no idea how to build a football team, and more than likely know little about the game itself.
For those out there that wish to get rid of Losman should seriously consider becoming a fan of one of the New York teams. All they do is B word about how they need a new quarterback or coach. You guys would fit right in.