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What he said.... So much more eloquently than I. Thanks bro. That was what I trying to say.

I was pointing out, to someone else, that choosing not to believe could take just as much imagination as believing; and I was not responding to you at the time. Very small children often seem to have a concept of God. I don't know why that is, unless maybe it's just in them. I don't know this to be proof of God's existence. But the natural selection biology theory seems no more complete, to me.

Were you talking about Invisible Sky Man and Alpha male priests, or was it Finknottle? Honest science does not prove god does not exist. You seem to have some real angst against organized religion. Leave me out of it.

The Big Bang theory, is still just a theory after all. A good one, the 3 degree Kelvin thing, faster moving distant galaxies, and such. But it has some holes in it, insufficient mass for instance. No where in this discussion did I ever say I don't believe in science. But genuine scientific analysis does not prove that God does not exist. But keep trying.

I certainly did get the idea that was your point, that God is just an "imaginary man in the sky." And dismissing any other point of view as to easy. What was your far reaching point?

So what set the big bang in motion, I mean just this last time? What existed before? Other various sized bangs over an eternity? Eternity! Now there's a concept. Science has got that one all figured out.

I have never have understood the conflict between science and faith (notice I did not say religion) that so many, on both sides, have a problem with. You need to learn how to compartmentalize, seemingly conflicting ideas. Think what science has discovered in just the past hundred years, things that were once thought true, that are now thought not. Think how much will be learned in the next one hundred. But a theory about primitive alpha males using fear, religion, and angry mountain Gods, does not prove God or some ultimate power, does not exist. That too, would take a leap of faith.

Right, the old natural selection and evolution cause everything including mythology in our heads theory. I must admit, it sure does explain God away very neatly.

It is PPP requirement to appear as a dumb ass. And you pass. Welcome.

If it is not provable one way or the other, isn't it fascinating that people will insist on being atheist, when at best they should know they can only be agnostic. Don't be so sure that people with an evolving belief system, have stopped thinking. There are more things in heaven and earth, Gene Frenkle, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

That we are even able to gather tangible evidence, and draw conclusions, could in itself be evidence of a power that we cannot fully grasp.

None of this rambling proves anything, even if, it backs up your angst against organized religion. When atheism becomes its own religion, that's hilarious.

I believe we are hard wired to believe in God. Denying it, is what takes some imagination.

No, my thoughts here do not include that assumption. You can know right from wrong, justice, love, and compassion, without making a leap of faith. Also, many self righteous dolts do hide behind religion. None of this offers conclusive evidence that there is no God.

Since, you apparently cannot prove there is a God, and you cannot prove there is not a God, what makes people jump to one side of the fence, or the other? Personally. I think I'd rather live my life as if there is a God, and find out that I was wrong, than the other way around.

In a pig's eye.

Oh yeah. I'm certain you have real statistical evidence to back up that inane comment.

...... OK, I'll start.....This big ol cowboy walks into a bar. He quickly realizes it's a gay bar. And he gets pissed. He says, all you queers, out of here now. They immediately start hitting the door. He looks around, and there is just this one little guy left, sitting at the end of the bar. He walks over to him, and the little guy bats his eyes and says, "My, there certainly were a lot of them, weren't there?"

Smoked em

If this complete buffone tells anyone where my safehouse is, he's toast.

I actually have some used hate signs from the sixties for sale. They can be reworked, with spray paint or whatnot. I have only kept the sturdy ones.

For a while, then you will expire like everyone else.

It does kind of fly in the face of the point of view that republicans are just stupid angry white men. Why worry? Be happy....

Hey idiot, didn't you hear your own messiah in chief. He said both sides need to tone it down, not demonize the other side with inflammatory rhetoric for their beliefs. I guess you see that as code for: everyone on the right needs to STFU, and all those devoid of history and logic, it's time to pull out that race card. And all that other name calling. That always works well with any civil discourse.

Good grief! How does a governor actively enforce the death penalty? The Catholic church BTW is not always against the death penalty, though it does generally oppose it. The Catechism states: "...the traditional teaching of the Church has acknowledged as well-founded the right and duty of legitimate public authority to punish malefactors by means of penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime, not excluding, in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty." (2266)