SABURZFAN
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So, others besides some of us Bills fans thinks JP is less than adequate. Naah.....like the article says.....they'll be lining up in droves right after the draft. Right? RIGHT?
they'll be flipping over Ralph Wilson's Taurus to be the first to get to Losman.
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a serious lack of suitors that have come knocking on the Bills door........ nuff said.
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You are the biggest Trent basher on this site, why don't you go back and read some of your posts....
they can't. quite a few posts got deleted from the so-called crash. i think Westinghouse is onto something.
Bull sh__. Please show me where I bashed Trent. I don't recall ever bashing the guy and if I ever did it was just to take a jab at the ruthless Losman bashers. The Losman bashing at TSW is a thousand times the level of the so-called Trent bashing buddy. Give us a break.the excuses around here are enough to fill up a sh___er real quick too. give US a break.
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What???? So now someone calling "Trent Edwards is a much better QB than JP Losman" a myth is now being described by you as bashing Edwards? That's so damn laughable, you clearly need to get some thicker skin.
a typical bun hugger spinning it the way he/she wants to believe it. Biscuit never said anything about Edwards being a much better QB than Losman. while you claim that some need to get thicker skin around here, i'll claim that some just need to pull their heads out of their asses.
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Sorry not a bun hugger, just giving an opinion here. As for excuses, there are "excuses" and then there's something called "valid excuses". I think that while JP made some errors along the way in 2007, there were many valid excuses as to why the offense was so putrid and his QB performance was down the list for me. The way I look at things now is that JP has a proven deep ball that NFL defenses feared in 2006 and Trent "currently" does not. Trent can still overcome that, but to do that he's obviously going to have to eventually punish defenses with the long ball if he's ever going to have real success and get the Bills to the playoffs. Ever wonder why JP is still on this team? If he truly had no shot at success for this team, coaching staff and front office, why would the Bills even DEAL with having him here as a possible distraction for Edwards? Think about that. Losman is STILL on this team. They know that he's gone next year so why don't they actively shop him for mid to lower round draft picks in the 2008 draft? Picks that could be used to move back into the first if they do not select the WR at 11. I'll tell you why. It's because of Trent's last three games where NFL defenses clearly had the book and film on him. The Bills still don't know if he can get the defenses back on their heels like Losman did. They also don't know if Trent is too fragile for the riggers of the NFL. These are legit questions that even the Bills are clearly concerned with. If they weren't, JP would be being shopped around for pretty much anything. So you guys can laugh it off or whatever, but this Edwards/Losman isn't a closed deal until Edwards shows a good enough arm and stamina to have real success with the Bills and in the NFL. The Bills haven't closed the book on Losman so that right there is a red flag that they are not completely sold on Edwards. The Bills obviously feel Losman still may be the QB we've all been waiting on. There's clearly enough of a chance of that happening that they're willing to deal with the possible distraction as opposed to gaining an extra pick to use in a trade up scenario. Having said all that, I'll be rooting for Edwards to play lights out. I'm just very glad that Losman is still here and that the Bills still believe in him enough to keep him as the safety net if Edwards can't loosen up the opposing defenses or gets hurt again.
so now you're going to "cherry pick" excuses? puhleeeease,we heard them all. the rest of your post is constant blabbering to defend Losman.we've heard it over and over and over and over and over.......... maybe you should go holler in space with the other ear benders.
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Seriously, Losman fans are making me dislike a guy I really have a lot of respect for.
don't let the bun huggers do that to you. their ignorance shouldn't have any reflection on how you feel about a player. as Bills fans, we can only hope that Losman will find a way to make himself a better QB going into this season.
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No Doubt. I'm still laughing.
I do have a serious question though.
Is it possible for a man and a picnic table umbrella hole to just be friends without sex getting in the way?
you'll have to ask the picnic table umbrella hole.
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WOW!!!!!!! just when you think you heard everything.
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Hey! Quit picking on Beerball! He one of my friends!
we're sorry........
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i would borrow the Iron Shiek's loaded boots too.
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What good did it do to get Lynch when they refused to use him in the passing game? How is it Losman's fault that Price went down with an injury? How is it Losman's fault that Dick and Steve decided to choke the life out of anything resembling unpredictability?
The smart football fans here know that Losman has one of the best arms in the league, and if given the chance to use that arm along with a strong running game and at least one more real receiving threat other than Lee Evans, that he indeed is the guy we've all been waiting for since Kelly left. But noooo, the smart Bills fans must endure this sham of a qb situation. We are supposed to buy in to the Trent Edwards is the much better QB myth. Sorry, I'm not just buying it. I must now hope that I'm very wrong on this since Trent is going in as the starter, but I don't think I am. I think that the NFL defenses picked up on Trent's lack of arm and his tendencies to throw the check down pass. This was clearly on display those last three games of the season. If Jauron had balls he'd get that #2 receiver and TE that we've all been waiting for and then let Trent and JPs go at it for the starting spot. If Losman eventually gets a chance with a team that has weapons, a line and a smart coaching staff he's going to make a lot of fans angry at how they were so duped by the coaching staff, media and fans for buying into this myth.
how is it that you Losman bun huggers always come up with an excuse for Losman?
the smart football fans, in general, know that Losman may have a million dollar arm but a ten cent head. as for the QB myth, nobody's expecting anybody to buy into anything. some fans feel that Edwards couldn't do any worse. fortunately, some of them were right.
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The Bills offense from the 2007 season has not changed one bit for the 2008 season. Yup we have a different offense cord, big deal. The Bills better add some playmakers to this offense or it's going to be 3 and out all over again!
Adding one rookie WR to this team in 2008 is like peeing in Lake Ontario and trying to raise the water level.
NONSENSE!!!!!!!!! Losman's going to regain the starting job and make us forget about his regression in 07. just ask his fans.
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I think Puny Noodle Weenie is simply overwhelmed by the Chroise of the Gibran and insanely jealous that he has no Chroise of his own. Its a sad existence when you're forced to live a life without Chroise. <---CHROISE!!
i have enough to go around. if i shed a little chroise on his soul, he may come around.
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round house kicks to the ear
i could take out 70 like that
and i watched wrestling my whole life so every other kid is getting chokeslammed
not to mention gorilla pressing some of them and throwing them into the others
running clotheslines would mow them down quick too.
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If you scream in outer space does anyone hear you.
go give it a try and let me know.
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Attention people.......AVOID THE CHROISE!!!!
they can't. they are mesmerized by my chroise level. it's like a line of people in a Pink Floyd video where they all line up and fall into the meat grinder. they can blame Hamdan for pushing them in. i think Beerball is ready for seconds.
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I do not see how I cam be classified as a JP fan when I am quite certain his time as a Bill is (and should be done since he called himself out and failed) done.
If anything I am simply a Bills fan and as JP's highest and best use for the Bills IMHO is to trade him in the hopes of getting some undeserved gift like we got when TD unloaded PP for a 1st is to see him gone.
Right now I am and Edwards fan and I hope he proves to be the next Joe Montana (though my football sense doubts this will be the case as he has not even earned the starter role which has been handed to him with production on the field).
However, if Hamdan somehow got into several games and proved through performance to be great then I say sit Edwards faster than you can say bench.
Some are into the NFL because they are fans of individual players. Some are entertained by the NFL because it gives them some pleasure to see this millionaires fail and a QB controversy is just what they want.
Count me in as a Bills fan though not a blind one. I think JP even if he plays well now would cause such stupidity and whining from the media and such fans I hope he is gone and brings us an undeserved deal for him.
I think JP is a talented athlete who is still young and with a lot of starting experience who in the right hands that maximizes his strengths (mobility, able to improvise positive plays, big arm) and minimize his weaknesses (not a pocket passer, a good reactor but his play suffers when he has to think too much) he can be a very good performer.
Our grinding offensive style has a chance of improving with Fairchild gone but overall it ain't gonna change and JP is not the guy for us/
If this view qualifies me as a friend of JP as far as football goes he needs a few more enemies.
i should be thankful that i still have my ears as well. as you continue to babble on, let me start by saying that we're ALL Bills fans. unlike you and others, some of us don't sit here and make excuses for Losman. his actions on the field spoke for itself. it's gotten to the point where some of us are tired of the continued excuses made for Losman. management has done a better job getting some talent in Buffalo and we're STILL watching the same horrible reruns displayed at the QB position.
as for Edwards, some people felt that he couldn't do any worse. it may have been only ONE person who labeled Edwards as a Messiah, but the people who are hugging Losman's jock want to spin it a different way. some of us will play the game and spin it with you. it doesn't feel good when the shoe is on the other foot, does it?
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I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!! i could tell by the way he was digging at his ass for ideas.
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I am one fan with little attachment to Losman as I am quite certain that he is done as a Bill. I am also pretty certain that those who claim he has no value as a football player and that he is certain to fail in any situation are also probably wrong.
Losman has failed as a QB here and in particular I think he is done here because he called himself out saying Jax was make or break for him and he broke. He would need to restore his teammate's faith in him first (this can be done with a good performance in a clutch situation in a game which he has done before as a Bill as recently as last season so I have little doubt he can do this.
However, I think there is little he can do regardless of his onfield performance to sway the folks at WGR who make a lot of money bashing him or legends in their own mind like Jerry Sullivan even with good on field performances. i think that most Bills fans simply care about what have you done on the field for us and they can forgive and forger. However, there is also a small but vocal fan base that is most entertained by seeing a millionaire athlete fail and these folks stoked by the anti-Bills coverage of the media will simply lay in wait even if he does well on the field and at the first mortal failing of any athlete they will squeal I told you so.
On TSW we have gone through this as the Bills rushed along TC before he was ready (if he ever could have been ready was actually a question but starting him without training the happy feet out of him was an error0. We saw it with the attempts to pretend the AVP effect which made him an effective relief guy was transmogrified into foolish investment in him as a starter.
We saw this with the stupid reach for Billy Joe Hobert who was so stupid he had to be cut mid-season,
We saw this with this with foolish long-term signing of RJ who we should have had prove himself on the field before we gave him the guarantee and if there was no way to have him play without the guarantee we should not have traded for him.
We saw this with the QB controversy and Ralph exercising his right as an owner to mettle to the ultimate cost to the team.
We saw this with the foolish decision to extend Bledsoe's deal (trading for him initially was actually a smart move by us but extending him rather than cutting our losses was foolish.
We saw this with rushing JP to start before he was ready.
However, though I think all this was true, I do not think it necessarily follows that JP is done as a player in the NFL, but I am pretty certain he is done as a Bills and I have little attachment to him and instead root for Edwards to prove (for the first time) that he deserves the starting QB slot.
He was impressive for a rookie last year and deserves to start (as I see no other alternative for us) but I am under no illusion that his impressive play for a rookie is any proof that he is up to be a starter. I hope he is, but will not be shocked if he is not and will not be surprised at all when those declaring him a savior now turn on him as soon as he proves to be human.
This is the problem I have with this whole argument. I dont ever recall ANYONE annointing him the Messiah..I recall posters having seen enough of the JP run offense and when Trent had his chance he SHOWED a little hope.this is a prime example how Losman fans spin it the way THEY only see it. be careful, she might accuse you of cherry picking facts too.
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My guess is that more than a couple of teams will be interested in a player like JP if he hit FA with is current stats and situation. My sense is they would want to sign him (and likely be happy to pay a pretty penny for him) cause:
1. He is an experienced NFL starter who certainly has not led a winning team in the NFL, but he has compiled personal stats that do not suck (despite the statements of fans who have shown a lot of football knowledge on other issues) but are at the least in the middle of the pack (and easily have been in the upper middle of stat compilations for extended times in his short career). I know many Bills fans hate him and he has disappointed us because he never has led this team to be a winner.
However, I my sense is that this disappointment is as much rooted in us Bills fans having high expectations and need for a winning QB after more than a decade of failing to replace Jimbo with a QB who wins a solid majority of the fans and media over for a long time and given the long playoff drought.
JP clearly failed here, but one has to be pretty blind not recognize that there were a lot of factors that led to this failure in addition to his not being to cut it as an athlete here. Other teams will realize that this same situation will not exist in his new environs and though it is no guarantee that JP will become a star, it has happened way to many times that a player or even a QB fails miserably in one gig (or two in Brad Johnson's case) and can come back to QB a team to even the ultimate achievement (Johnson, Dilfer, et al).
2. JP had great achievement running for his life but still being productive in college such that he scored a 1st round pick that most thought was legit (many had him as the 4th best QB in that draft and that is where he went. And after 4 seasons (5 when he hits FA but this reverie is based on an assumption (and hope because I hope Edwards is that productive in his second year) that he will not have played so much in his young career that he is used up at all). Not only is he that rarity of a young man with a good dose of NFL starting experience), but his demographics that got him picked in the 1st are still there. There likely will be a ton of teams looking for a new starting QB and likely JP would be one of the most desirable hopes on the market.
3. The idea that JP deserves a harsher judgment because he failed under more than one HC or QB coach tandem ignores the fact that while having multiple tutors does not excuse failure (I think JP is done as a Bill and has to leave here) but this is a real world reason. JP's training has featured him being rushed into the QB job before he had earned it (by his own admission) under Wyche/MM/a couple of OCs. After this debacle he had a hopeful first year under Jauron/Fairchild but not only turned out to be a square peg when a different type of QB was needed for the lame Fairchild O, but he was knocked out of the line0up by a cheapshot from Wilfork (important because two trips to the injured list might raise questions of whether he is injury prone, but given he came back to show good episodes of play after both injuries (his 16 starts last year showed some durability and he played well enough folks were hopeful coming into last season and after he got cheapshotted he did rally the team back to wins and retook the QB job with his play til he called himself out and failed against Jax).
JP clearly is not the best athlete in the NFL (like just about everyone else) but it seems clear that neither Bills braintrust chose to play an offensive style which better suited his talents (which he demonstrated behind the Tulane turnstyles and in several NFL episodes. This is not an unreasonable choice as the best players can play and win with multiple styles. However, seeing the reality that JP is not among the best does not mean at all that he must suck. There are more the two options here.
If JP chooses the right situation in FA and a team is smart enough to only go after him when they can play well using a rolling pocket and playing with a mobile QB rather than asking him to play a static game, JP has every potential to play quite well.
I think JP is done as a Bill in large part not only because he called himself out declaring Jax a make or break game and he broke, but I do not think that the newsmedia here will be willing to value the Bills winning more than them selling column inches with a QB controversy. He could easily win back his teammates confidence if he pulled off a performance like the one he already has done here against NYJ last year. However, the local media will never give him a chance to win back their pretend loyalty even if he QB'ed the team to the playoffs.
In addition, there are a set of vocal fans here on TSW and who are happy to call into WGR who are far more entertained by declaring that an athlete sux and is overpaid regardless of how he does than they are with rooting for an athlete to lead the Bills to victory.
Will JP be a star elsewhere? Maybe or maybe not. He would need to make good choices to find a team that uses his talents well and he would need a good OC and QB coach (something he never had here) who put him in a position to do what he does best and minimize what he does poorly. Also like every NFL player he will have to get lucky.
It easily can happen but there is no guarantee. However, I think the possibility he can do an adequate job at his next stop are actually likely higher than the chances he will suck. Him making a choice and signing with a team that invests in him will likely be a far better situation than him playing for Jauron/Fairchild where he was simply something that came along with the team.
Wow that is like a novel , holy cow.just be thankful that you don't have to hear it in person. you'd walk away minus two ears.
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beer swilling blasphemer
retribution will be swift, but your suffering will linger
and you shall be punished by being sent to the purgatory called Gowanda.
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Sorry for butting in but for a casual poster like myself why all the hate from westinghouse???
he wasn't invited to the sausage party from the people who are throwing the hate back on him.
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i just want to know one thing. who pulled Trent's finger for this to happen? somebody better fess up.
Say what you want about JP...but
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why is it when i read your posts, Charlie Brown's teachers voice appears inside my head?