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1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:
I don’t think Beane or moreso McD would’ve taken him over any defensive player they had rated the same or higher but I do agree he has special speed. Hoping it works out
2 things; I don't believe McD runs the draft. I think it's a group-think fallacy that has gained traction on this message board. Beane makes the calls, you can see it on the embedded videos. McD strikes me as a bystander (who I'm sure has plenty of opinion and sway) but a bystander nonetheless.
In 2020, after the Epenesa draft, Beane looked visibly disappointed. It was a stacked wide receiver class and I think he was hoping one of Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler, or Chase Claypool would fall to them. He jumped all over Hamler when he became available. That says something.
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10 hours ago, Back2Buff said:
Lol, its really not. He's tiny and constantly injured. He is a JAG in a league full of these guys.
A guy like Justin Shorter was excellent on special teams and its something Beane mentioned last year when they drafted him.
Unless Hamler can play special teams, he won't be the 6th WR.
I am under the assumption the Bills are adding another body to this group after June 1st.
He is not a JAG. He was a high 2nd round draft choice, who would have been a high second round draft choice this year also. He tore the same ACL twice, dislocated his hip, and had a heart issue. Watch below and tell me he's a jag. He's electric. Beane would have taken him over Epenesa I'm pretty certain. If he could somehow find 90 percent of what he was, we'd be dangerous.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:
Well, I don't sit here all day everyday and talk about everything I know about the sport.. but I've been posting here and on the old bbmb for 15 years
And I played division one football... Have coached and scouted
I'm still employed in the game of football.. and I've broken down plenty of schemes and made plenty of scouting reports
He's a good football player at that round.. I would not bet on him out playing McGovern.. who has been waiting to be the linchpin of an NFL team
Good nuanced answer. It's not the center spot where I took issue with your statement. It's the left guard spot. It just may be that Edwards/Collins is such a step down from McGovern that it would be more feasible to keep McGovern at his old spot, and if the rookie shows out, put him at center. It's not crazy that he would have a Christian Benford type camp. But I appreciate your football background, and you are most likely on point. They even told Van Pran that he may be used as a guard.
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9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
As I've said multiple times...
There is literally next to no chance.. a short-armed , smaller center who struggles with technique .. could beat out a NFL starter... With center experience in college... And is now one of the strongest biggest centers in the league
It will be next to impossible to beat him out in 1 year... Maybe next season or the year after
You're not unseating an the NFL veteran who is big for his position year 1... Who is starting quality
You speak as if you are an expert on this matter. But me thinks you are not. Training camp will decide. And that hasn't happened yet.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Honestly wow, learned a lot about him. He said he has no life outside of football. He sounds like a film junkie. Wants to be close with his QB. Watch film with his QB.
And he golfs a little!
I appreciate Beane looking past the metrics that stop most of us fans in our tracks. With Josh, it was the 56% completion percentage. With Rousseau it was the lack of explosion and all of his sacks coming from the inside. itWh Keon...it was the 4.61 Forty. He knows a football player when he sees one. And after watching that interview, could you imagine him picking ANY other receiver. The kid is special. I'm not sure what his career will ultimately be, but with his work ethic, confidence, understanding of the game, and physical abilities....I'm betting on him. And so is Beane.
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35 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:
There’s an adjustment period for any rookie. Expecting Coleman to be one of your top 2-3 WR’s early in the season risks throwing the season away. OBJ has been a good soldier in LA and Baltimore and can carry a heavier load early in the season while Coleman gets acclimated.
I don't disagree that he could catch a few passes and be somewhat reliable. But i highly doubt he is under consideration for reasons both on and off the field.
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11 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
you are delusional, but I’ll give him credit, he got the right guy. That said, it WAS fortunate bc there were talks of him going #1 and he wound up being the third QB taken. Since that time he’s spent us into a hole where we couldn’t pursue any WR talent this year because he missed on all the key positions in the draft for years, the gave away his only successful use of a draft pick on a WR, when he dumped Diggs last minute. So the team goes into the season far worse off than it was at WR last year and they had one of the weakest WR rooms in the league to start 2023. The DL got worse, we have a guy who’s never started at C, taking that roll. Back ups at both S positions and basically we pray Josh Allen can bail him out again.
Not delusional. Thoughtful and rational. I know the moves I like and the moves I don't. I love my team though. And these last 5 years, we have the 2nd most amount of wins in the NFL, so he must be doing something right. I see tons of strong draft choices, free agent acquisitions, and trades. We could discuss all of those if you wish. I also see the misses......because I am not delusional. I'm sure you'll pump up KC as some wonder team who surrounds their elite qb with perfect weapons. But here are Veach's skill player moves since he's been there;
-Spent 2nd round picks on Mecole Hardman and Skyy Moore
-Spent a 1rst round pick on Clyde Edwards Helaire
-Inherited the best receiver in the NFL, won a superbowl with him, and traded him away in his prime
-Traded a 3rd round pick for Kadarius Toney
But he has his rings, so all is forgiven. To me delusional, not to mention depressing, cynical, and bleak, is not recognizing that Beane has won the AFC East 4 straight years in a row, garnered the 2nd best record in football, and 4th most playoff wins in the last 5 years. If you think that's all Josh....think again. The defense has been top 10 every year also. If all you needed was a qb, why aren't Herbert and Lawrence leading their teams to victory after victory?
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1 minute ago, DCofNC said:
Josh Allen is the franchise, without him, this roster is bottom 10 in talent. Take away Dawkins and Milano, it’s worse.And the Chiefs without Mahomes are not in the playoffs. We can do this all day. Beane drafted Josh Allen. It was his first draft pick. In the biggest moment of his career, he hits a grand slam. I grew up in Chicago. In the history of that franchise, not a single GM did in hundreds of draft picks what Beane did with one. Give the man his due!!
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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:
OBJ, Samuel, Shakir, Coleman with Kincaid and Knox would be upper tier. There’s no true #1 WR but Houston, Baltimore, and Green Bay did fine without one.
OBJ is everything this regime stands against. They have handed this team to Josh. Keon is his receiver. Instead of last year, when he was Diggs' quarterback. OBJ brings drama, diva-esque ball demands, locker room entitlement, a declining skill set, and a salary demand outside of their range. He aint coming.
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Beyond that, Javon Solomon will surely have a spot on the 53. We don't outright cut 5th Rounders (and he shouldn't have lasted that long) and given his production in College, he has HUGE upside and is not a player I envision them thinking they can sneak on their PS.
I wanted Solomon from the get-go. Love the draft pick in the 5th. But this quote from an AFC scout is a bit sobering;
AFC scout: “He’s a better player than testing athlete. He didn’t run very fast. I think he lacks upside. He’s got a low ceiling. Rotational rusher. He’ll be on the fringe. He may get drafted but it’ll be close because of how poorly he ran at the combine.”
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42 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Is he? Or is he just really fortunate to have hit on Allen? Overall, this roster is not that talented and most of the top talent came from prior to him taking over, so we are in cap he’ll, not as talented as KC and can’t buy our way out of it.. doesn’t sound all that great if you take the rose colored glasses off.
Why fortunate to hit on Allen? How about savvy or wise or incredibly bold to stand strong on a guy that pundits, fans, and fellow gm's were calling a bust even before the draft. As for this roster not being talented....I disagree. It was talented enough to win the AFC East for the 4th straight year, a playoff game, and take the eventual super bowl champions down to the last minute. Or was that just "fortunate"? And most of the top end talent being from before him.....other than Dawkins and Milano, who on Earth are you speaking of? Every other player on that roster was his acquisition. Cap hell?? The Bills currently have 5 million in AVAILABLE cap space for next year. Compare that to SF who are 30 million OVER, Cleveland who are 52 OVER, and NO who are 73 OVER. As for our roster not being as talented as KC....perhaps. But why compare us to the one team that won the super bowl? We did draft 28, so clearly there are 27 teams with a worse roster than us. You do realize that over the past 5 years the Bills have the 2nd most wins in the NFL. I guess we're just fortunate. I wonder why San Diego with Herbert and Jax with Trevor Lawrence aren't just as fortunate. If my glasses are rose colored, yours are bleak, dark, and downright depressing.
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24 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Shorter and Shakir better ball out this year or I genuinely think it’s time to look at a McBean replacement.
Losing Brandon Beane would be a fatal blow to this organization. You could talk me into a McDermott replacement. But Pegula is smart. He knows why the franchise is thriving. BB is a top 5 GM in the league.
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5 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
I think you are largely right, and I don't think any of Beane's picks in this draft are such that one can argue they lack a plausible logic. I personally even like the flier on the British giant in round seven. I just do believe he has a quirk about WR from his Carolina days, and I do think it's a paleolithic tendency.
I would have taken McConkey. I would have traded up from 60 for Mitchell, and he could have gone to 50 to get him. I'd have been willing to use some 2025 capital if necessary to do that. You don't get Bishop that way, and I like Bishop. I would then have taken Hicks at 95, because he is a safety I think can play in our system. I don't know why he slid. That has cascading effects, because they did need to add DT.
McConkey, after a long process, became my guy. But by the time the draft came, I just wasn't excited about him. And trust me, the guy is a master route runner/separator. He would've been plug and play. But I give Beane credit for taking Keon. He's somewhere between Josh Allen and Greg Rousseau in terms of draft picks. Allen had the 56 percent completion percentage that enraged Bills fans, and Coleman runs a 4.61 40. Beane looked past both of those numbers and took a chance. Rousseau also was not explosive and most of his sacks came from the inside. He was roundly derided by many draft analysts. He's been good and I think he'll get even better. Keon fits the same mold. There's just something about him that will figure this out. I'd be fine he had a Greg Rousseau type of career...day 1 starter, core player.
As for adding a player later....yes, yes, and yes. Walker would have been a brilliant addition. And who knew Hicks would be there at 95. They love Bishop though, so at least they got their guy. And yes, they needed a DT, and I think he'll be a good addition. But man oh man, if Walker hits, it will be tough to watch.
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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:
I don’t think it’s a 1:1 when talking about TE’s or RB’s vs WR’s. Running backs are a proven bad investment with day 2 picks. That’s a terrible use of resources. Even TE’s are bad investments in the first.
Brandon Beane has spent way more draft capital on TE’s and RB’s than WR’s in the last 4 seasons. That’s Stone Age strategy. The economy of the WR in the NFL has been exploding. RB’s are struggling to get signed to second contracts.
That’s exactly the kind of thinking I’m talking about that’s a total fatal flaw. It’s like prioritizing OG’s over OT’s in the draft.
All good points. Although I love both of the last RB picks. I think James Cook fundamentally signaled a complete change of direction for this offense. Undynamic Singletary was replaced with very dynamic Cook. They did it again the next year upgrading Knox with Kincaid. They had Diggs over the last 4 years so a #1 was not a priority. I'm wondering....how did you want them to address wr in this year's draft?
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Mahomes is a better QB than Allen and Reid is a better coach than McD.
Veach has struggled to replace the offensive weapons around Mahomes after the Hill trade but he has tried. He recognizes the problem and is trying to fix it. As we all know, no GM is perfect. Of course, he also built a great OL and a great defense as a consolation prize.
Beane hasn’t recognized that problem. I would infinitely prefer him trying and failing to not recognizing it. That’s the true fatal flaw, imo.
Again. Respectfully disagree. A first and third round TE. Running backs....a 2nd, two 3rds, and a 4th, WR-Traded your first for Diggs, and used a 1rst this year (I know it was actually a 2nd) on Keon, and a 4th on Gabe.
I agree that he has passed on some great receivers. The Ford pick with DK and Brown on the board is haunting. But every gm has those scars. You make the point that at least the Chiefs have tried. But it's been one bad move after another. In the Skyy Moore draft, Beane gets Shakir in the 5th. That's way better use of resources.
But yes, he's been afraid to pull the trigger on wide receivers. But he also knows that championships are won in the trenches. Teams that build with weapons, like Miami and the Raiders never win. I don't think it's a fatal flaw. And if Coleman hits, this entire conversation changes. Just so you know, if we would have picked Devontez Walker in the 3rd. I'd still be dancing. We didn't. Time will tell if Dewayne Carter ends up being better at his job than Franklin or Tez. Also, if Beane had a chance at a Rome Odunze or a Jamar Chase, he'd NEVER pass. He just hasn't had the chance.
But I'm concerned about this receiver room. I like the Coleman pick. He could have played it safe with Ladd (who I loved), but he swung for the fences. I appreciate that. I thought we needed another. They went in a different direction (I'm rooting for you Dewayne Carter!!). But yes, we are both concerned about this receiver room. Who I'm not concerned with is Brandon Beane.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
We do agree that they have been a top 3 team, we don’t agree who deserves the lion’s share of that credit.
I just think BB has some fatal flaws that will ultimately cost us in the end.
I'd be interested to know what those fatal flaws are. I'm guessing you are referring to not surrounding our qb with elite weapons. We lost to the Chiefs last year who had a worse receiving core than we did. So clearly the Super Bowl champion aren't much better at surrounding their qb with elite weapons. They used 2nd round picks on Sky Moore and Mecole Harman, Selected CEH in the first round!!, traded away the best receiver in football in his prime, traded a 3rd pick for Kadarius Toney, and used a 4th round pick on Jehu Chessen. Those are Veach's moves since Mahomes. Yet, he has 3 super bowls. Is he better at this than Beane is?
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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:
The first 6 years are already over.
And I've loved every minute of it. Again I was a lifelong Bears fan. They've never had a run of sustained excellence like this. The Bills haven't gotten over the hump, but that in no way constitutes any kind of failure. We seem to both agree that they have been a top 3 team over the past 5 years. I will sign up for that over the next five years also. Because that will give them a chance to win the Super Bowl every one of those years.
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Brandon Beane got the most important position right. He knocked it out of the park.
It’s the rest of his body of work I take issue with.
There was once a young GM in Indianapolis. He nailed his QB pick and had 3 straight seasons of 11 wins and playoff runs. They had some bad injury luck, failed to build around their QB (leading to his retirement) and that GM was fired. During his tenure, they were fifth in total wins in the NFL.
Was he a truly top 5 GM in those days? Do we look back at Ryan Grigson and say man, that guy was great?
No, of course not.Are we going to look back at the first 7 years of Josh’s career 10 years from now and talk about how great of a job everyone around him did?
I don’t think so.
So this is where we disagree. I think the Beane/Allen combo is so strong that it will result in at least 2 super bowls. I think they're both elite.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Im arguing having less wins than the Ravens with the far superior QB is not the feather in his cap you think it is.
I'm not sure Baltimore fans would agree that he is far superior. Or NFL fans. Lamar did win the MVP. Josh has not. But I agree that Josh is superior. Or at least, I'd rather have him. Btw, they have the same exact amount of playoff wins. I'm simply arguing that BB is a top 5 GM....top 3 if you're going off wins. Top 4 if you're going off playoff wins. He must be doing something right. And one of those things was targeting, maneuvering, and developing said quarterback. I grew up in Chicago. The Bears have not done that once. BB did it on his first try, first draft....and I'm guessing you were screaming for Rosen on draft day obsessed with 56 percent completion percentage.
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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Beane arrived in 2017. Pretty sure that’s more than 5 years ago. I can count AND lmao.
Beane arrived after the draft and free agency in 2017. That was not his team. But I'll give you the extra year. Over last 6 years, the Bills have the 3rd most wins in the NFL (2 behind the Ravens). So Josh's developmental season pushes us down one spot. What exactly are you arguing....
1. That he sucks
2. That he should be replaced
3. That only MOST wins in the last 5-6 years is acceptable
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
It’s not a fact. It’s actually incorrect lmao.
While you're busy lmao-ing......here are the facts;
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years
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18 minutes ago, FireChans said:
His approach has certainly worked…..
I couldn't agree more. The Bills have the 2nd best record in the NFL since he's arrived. I repeat....the 2nd best record in the NFL.
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8 hours ago, buffblue said:
Dude, our receivers were a huge problem last year, and on paper we look demonstrably worse now. Just once is it asking too much to give Josh Allen some love?
Look at the other top qb's around the league and it is indisputable that they have better weapons than Allen.
The top 10 qb's in the game imo (not in order) are Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Stroud, Hurts, Prescott, Love, Goff, Purdy, and Stafford.
Some would argue Herbert, Tua, Rodgers, or Cousins are top 10.
NO ONE has a worse group of receivers than Josh, except MAYBE Herbert. Hell, Caleb Williams steps in and essentially has 3 (!) number one options before ever playing a single game.
Downplaying or ignoring this deficiency, as apparently Beane has decided (and you concur with), is flat out negligent with a unicorn QB in his prime.
I believe it is disputable that Mahomes has better weapons than Josh.
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10 hours ago, FireChans said:
Beane would rather sign a JAG fifth rounder from 2020 over drafting a fifth round WR in the great WR 2024 draft.
Honestly, make it make sense.
No, he'd rather draft a potential starting center (after losing his starting center), a versatile and athletic linebacker, a pass rusher with serious 3rd down impact potential, and acquire a 4th round pick in next years draft over drafting a depleted talent pool of wide receivers in the 5th round. That's what he'd rather do. I prefer his approach to yours.
K J Hamler the new speed threat?
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This is such a great topic. It deserves its own thread. First and foremost, I'd still be dancing if we took Walker. That being said, the Carter pick makes so much sense. Every year it's the same song and dance about how we have no long term D Line guys signed past this year. This pick takes care of a huge yearly concern.
Yes, McD hovers over him like a nagging step mom. And yes, Beane owes his job to McD. Yet, if one of them get canned, it aint gonna be Beane. If the Bills flame out this year, I could see McD being shown the door out, and Belichick being shown in. I also don't think McD is short-sighted enough to believe offense doesn't matter. They met with and worked out both Walker and Franklin so many times they could probably tell you what each got for Christmas last year. If they reached the conclusion that adding a possession guy like Keon and a vertical threat like Walker was the key to unlocking everything, I gotta believe McD would have been on board with that over a rotational D lineman. They, and the rest of the NFL, passed on both of those guys over 3 times. It just may be they aren't difference makers on the NFL level. And my hope, bringing this full circle, is KJ is secretly running 4.33 over in the field house.
Finally, the Bills drafted Vosean Joseph LB out of Florida years ago. In the embedded video, Beane turns to McD and says "You'll like him." McD had his usual intense but slightly clueless look on his face. Don't me wrong. He's a huge part of the process and of course has a respected opinion. But he can't run a draft. He wouldn't have identified or picked Kincaid. But he can watch tape, pinpoint a safety he likes, and push hard for what he wants (as can Joe Brady and the rest of the staff). It was Eric Washington who was ultimately pounding the table for Rousseau. Lastly, Beane's "F**K Yea" reaction to Bishop being available was the reaction of a GM getting HIS man.