Milanos Milano
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2 minutes ago, Augie said:
How many decisions do you make in a day? Have you been perfect?
You had to go back years for Teller, and Hodgins we never wanted to lose. It was a call up/waiver thing when we had emergency needs at other positions.
I just want to win a super bowl. It appears like we’ve taken a step back and it’s concerning.
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4 minutes ago, stevestojan said:
Allen with the protection Burrow had with an o-line of backups would be amazing to watch.
Honestly, if we walk away from this draft with less than 2 WR and 3 O-linemen, I will be very disappointed.
2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:He drafted Cody Ford and traded Wyatt Teller. So it’s possible.
And Hodgins looked great playing for the Giants. Honestly makes me wonder.
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14 minutes ago, Augie said:
My answer to the title question? I’d say it’s a combination of all of that that led to 14 wins. But maybe that’s just me.
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The fact that Teller and Hodgins went on to have respectable roles is pretty telling. At some point, someone will be on the hot seat.
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4 minutes ago, Airseven said:
Stick with how bad the OL was - how Beane got duped by Saffold and how he paid/promoted Bates perhaps prematurely. This doesn’t need to always wind up a backhanded compliment (excuse?) for Allen.
Image if we had a couple of all pro linemen how much Allen would destroy the league.
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If we ever lost Diggs for any amount of time, we would be in major trouble. This fact alone is concerning. We need a 1B. Not a 2, because we have to be able to beat the Bengals. We need another star WR opposite of Diggs that can do damage. Let Gabe be the #3 and roll with it.
Diggs
Hyatt/Rice
Davis
Shakir
Knox
Is a very dangerous team. Then focus on the oline to keep Allen protected.
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6 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:
I guess we'll see that if they go somewhere else and thrive. We already know that Ford was a miss by the entire draft industry.
Teller? Hodgins?
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I’m going Hyatt with #27 and Rice with the 2nd pick. If he’s not available, then take Avila who is one of the best pass blockers in the draft.
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7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Another great write up OP. I like Rice alot especially if he comes in under 4.45. Not a fan of keeping McKenzie. That ship has sailed. No FA's have any appeal to me also. Beasley, Brown, Crowder, Kumerow and Sweeney all gonzo. Patmon maybe stays as insurance. Draft a 2nd wr later. Trading up for Quentin Johnston would be too costly unless he falls?
I would draft Hyatt and then Rice with the 2nd pick. That would give Allen with 2 new WRs that run under 4.4 . Rounds 3, 4, 5, 5 get fully dedicated to Oline. -
10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
He’s slower than his dad but much bigger
Ohio State lists him at 6’4… I saw him play a few times and I’d say 6’3… but great size
He’s AJ Green comp
Right now I’m banging the drums for Hyatt and Rice. I would love to double dip back to back. Both great WRs with sub 4.4 speed.
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5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:
He's a sophomore.
I know, just impatient. To bad he is slower than his dad, because he sure can run the entire route tree.
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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
He is. My initial round grade is 3/4. So when writing this i only went with my initial grades that I have on the guys. I also have slot only??? Next to him. My intent this draft was to grab outside guys because this team is loaded with Slots.
When I dig into the draft heavily in about a couple weeks he likely will move into the second. But my initial grading kind of pointed to a thin top end of WRS in this class with the value being rounds 3-4
Who is on your list of round 1-2 WRs that you want to see targeted?
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7 hours ago, RyanC883 said:
Hyatt with one year of production scares me in the first. Would love to trade back, get him and Patterson at C/G in 2nd. Then grab a WR in 3rd. RB is deep, so that in the 4th.
Really want BPA (even if DL—vomit), Bean targeting positions has not worked out well.
You shouldn’t be afraid. Hyatt with his 1,000 yards+ production and speed (sub 4.4) in the SEC puts him in rare company. Only SEC receivers to do that are Jameson Williams, Elijah Moore, Ja’Marr Chase, Odell Beckham Jr. , and Julio Jones.
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6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
Just don’t draft a height, speed guy. Make sure it’s somebody with production.
I listed all the SEC WRs that have speed plus production. Hyatt is in great company.
45 minutes ago, Yantha said:Respectfully, I'll look at his time in the NFL. He's proven that he can be dominant. I'm not sure what happened but I hope it turns around.
That said I don't disagree with you about potential round 1 target WR, IF the right player drops. I would not reach though.
Given where Jalin Hyatt type players went in the draft, if he is there at #27 , he should be the pick. I listed all SEC players with production plus sub 4.4 40 times and Hyatt joins the list of great WRs.
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10 minutes ago, H2o said:
Courtland Sutton, Devante Adams, Cooper Kupp, Dionte Johnson, Christian Watson started to really come on this year even as a rookie. Your logic is flawed
Sutton is SMU, which I already said gets a pass. Those other guys are like a rare handful out of a sea of hundreds.
If Marvin Harrison Jr. even received 75% of the skill of his father, it would be worth the draft pick.
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2 minutes ago, peterpan said:
Better trade for one then
AT Perry is the closest at 6’5” 205lbs and runs a 4.48 . But he plays for Wake Forest which is a huge negative NFL predictor of success.
1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:His name is Deandre Hopkins
How are we going to afford him?
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1 minute ago, H2o said:
You could probably do that with a number of teams in college. Just because Alabama, Ohio St., and LSU have had a decent recent run doesn't mean they haven't had their fair share of flops. To categorize someone like that is foolish. On a side note though, Flowers IS that dude.
Not since 2010. Which is really all that is relevant given the modernity of the NFL now. Generally receivers that played in power university that ran a sub 4.4 and put up production (1,000 yards+) went on to have good NFL careers.
1 minute ago, peterpan said:Please God for once draft someone with SIZE. I’ve been screaming for someone with SIZE for DECADES.
the puck with EJ Manual was so clearly Mike Evans. A HuUGE target to jump and catch poorly thrown balls.
Imagine Allen lifting up deep balls after scrambling to a freak like Evans!!!
that’s why I wanted DK Metcalf when he fell into the 2nd. That dude was a FREAK. Allen to Metcalf for the 60 yard bomb, like fish in a bucket.
but I’m sure we will draft another little guy to play the role of “can’t catch contested balls”
There is no freak WR with speed in this years draft. Not one with college production in a major university.
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Based on my statistical analysis, Jalin Hyatt, Rashee Rice, Quentin Johnston, and the OSU WRs are the safest and most likely WRs to be successful in the NFL.
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Who remember Chris Givens? He was a Wake Forest product, ran a 4.41 and had 1,350 yards of production. Was drafted in the 4th round. It’s another reason why I’m hesitant to pull the trigger on AT Perry. It’s just not worth the risk and waste of draft pick. Same with the NC state and NC WRs. Just not worth it.
2 minutes ago, Yantha said:Honestly while do do think WR is a need, I still think that Gabe Davis is going to become the player he was in LAST season's playoffs.... plus Shakir is going to be a major impact player next season IMO. With those 3, we're pretty good. Now if a WR that's ranked high falls to us in the first, you have to take him, but I'd prefer interior O-line there.
Also, what about SAFETY? Our starters are both on the wrong side of 30 next season.
Should we be talking about Alabama's Brian Branch or Texas AM Antonio Johnson as options?
Arguably a bigger need than WR (assuming Gates/Shakir work out the way I think they can)?
Gabe came from UCF. The statistics are not in his favor. It’s less than a 10% rate that a non traditional conference powerhouse team yields a NFL star WR.
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I mean when was the last time a WR from Wisconsin did anything? There are just some teams you stay away from when it comes to WRs. If they aren’t running sub 4.4s and play for a power conference and team that is traditionally good, I usually will not advocate to draft you.
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7 minutes ago, H2o said:
Flowers plays in the ACC, Boston College
And Tutu Atwell was the size of a middle school kid. Common sense should have told anyone to stay away from him.
There area handful of teams within the power conferences that I stay away from generally as well for WRs. BC is on that list. Nothing good comes from teams like NC State, Duke, NC, BC, Vandy, ILL, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Louisville, WV, Kansas, Kstate, Baylor, Stanford, Nebraska, Colorado, etc. I have yet to see WRs pan out from these locations
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If you are a wide receiver, and if you aren’t coming from the SEC, Pac 10, Big 12, ACC, or Big 10 I’m 9/10 going to overlook you unless you are coming from either SMU, CMU, or BSU. That’s just a general rule I have, and it tends to yield very good predictor for NFL success, especially if it is combined with sub 4.45 speed and 1,000 yard+ production. If you can check the box of 2/3 of those things, you get a glance.
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7 minutes ago, whorlnut said:
Flowers reminds me a lot of Kadarius Toney. He has some swagger to him too.
I’m very hesitant to draft or even sign UDFA WRs outside of the power conferences, there are just wayyyy to many busts.
Zay Jones
Calvin Austin
Andy Isabella
Antonio Gandy-Golden
Tutu Atwell
Anthony Miller
Anthony Johnson
Roger Lewis
Taywan Taylor
Justin Hardy
Stedman Bailey
Tavon Austin
Greg Salas
About the only really good WR to come out of a non power conference that put up good numbers in college was Davante Adams.
Toney at least came from Florida which is obviously SEC. WanDale (yet to be determined) came from Kentucky which is obviously SEC.
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Here are a list of WRs that ran a sub 4.40 and had over 1,000 yards of production that played in the SEC going back to 2010.
Jalin Hyatt 1,267 yards 18.9 yard/rec Projected low 4.3s 6’0” 185lbs ?
Jameson Williams 1,572 yards 19.9 yards/rec 4.25 6’2” 189lbs 1st round #12
Elijah Moore 1,193 yards 13.9 yard/rec 4.35 5’10” 179lbs 2nd round #34
Ja’Marr Chase 1,780 yards 21.2 yard/rec 4.38 6’0” 201lbs 1st round #5
Odell Beckham Jr. 1,152 yards 19.5 yard/rec 4.31 5’11” 198lbs 1st round #12
Julio Jones 1,133 yards 14.5 yard/rec 4.39 6’3” 220lbs 1st round #6
If we get Jalin Hyatt at #27 I would consider that a steal all things considering.
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33 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:
Sanders had 3 straight at least 1K with Denver and had 101 catches in 2014. Besides being faster than Sanders, he's also got 3 inches in height on him too. I like guys that can go up and get the ball.
For Gabe Davis' height (who's also 6' 2"), he never seems to go up for the ball. He always waits for the ball to come to him, which allows smaller DBs to get a hand in there and break it up. Receivers are taught to catch balls at the highest point they are able, but Gabe never does it.
Sanders went in the 3rd round that year. So based on size and speed advantages, it’s possible Rice goes in the 2nd round.
Final Pro Football Focus Oline Season Grades
in The Stadium Wall
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It’s vomit worthy, but also comforting at the same time. This means that we haven’t seen peak Allen yet, which is amazing to think about.