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1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:
Which QB in this year's draft meets that definition?
there are 4 guys who will go with the first 4 picks in the draft who have the best odds in this draft to meet those expectations.
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2 minutes ago, Looper said:
That's your opinion, but I don't think the Browns share it. Along with the concussion issue, what makes you think he wants to play here ?
Rosen is not a cookie cutter athlete. He is an intelligent , thoughtful , and honest person. He was asked a question about the browns and he responded that he would rather be drafted by a team lower in the draft if it was a better fit, than higher and a bad fit.
Browns may be scared off by that ,but who cares that franchise has ruined top qb prospects left and right.
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44 minutes ago, nikuman said:
Because in the history of the NFL all of the "young potential franchise" QBs have been drafted within the first three picks?
Would you say you have better odds getting a star qb in the Top 5 picks or the rest of the picks in the nfl?
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-quarterbacks-entering-week-6
13 of the starting 32 qb's in the league are top 5 picks.
it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the nfl draft is about odds. Getting a top 5 pick gives you the best odds to find a superbowl caliber qb
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26 minutes ago, Looper said:
Rosen
The best qb in the draft? yeah i sure don't want that guy
27 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:Who is trading up to 4
besides us you have denver, arizona and maybe a surprise team like Miami.
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1 minute ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:
True, but if Rosen does get past 6 and we are still at 12, I hope an am pretty sure they will jump up and do what is necessary to get him.
THe qb's are going 1, 2,,3,4.
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28 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:
I know i have been questioning it for months. I dont see it with him and cant believe hes still regarded as the top qb.
I believe Rosen is this year's best qb, and i am not sure why he is not getting much hype. I think he rubs people the wrong way in the media but his coaches and teammates love him.
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I would give up this whole draft to get to two.
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2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...I understand where you're coming from and yes my OPINION differs from yours as far as being able to fill the QB need.....pretty sure we ALL know the definition of a QUARTERBACK but is the a universally acceptable definition of a FRANCHISE QB?.....not that I am aware of in year 56 of following Bflo/NFL.....so your definition as well as countless others potentially differs WIDELY from McBeane's definition......sure it is one piece to the puzzle and a MAJOR piece at that...BUT.....the sum total of all the pieces have to align with what McBeane/McD/McDaboll have planned for this offensive scheme........their plan versus your plan or their opinion versus your opinion are bound to differ.....do they want a "Steady Eddie" game manager?.....do they want to mimic Air Coryell/Fouts era?......a QB who consistently is north of 4,000+ yds passing per season?.....if we knew WHAT their plan was, it would be easier to formulate an opinion.......but we don't, so we can only speculate and opinionate with decorum IMO.....
Most elite qb's throw for 4,000 yards. There were 8 last year and there would have been more had wentz, keenum and a few others started all year.
My definition of a franchise qb is the definition of what has been the standard for the past 10 years. 60 percent completion percentage, 2.5 int percentage, Under 10 fumbles, Can lead 2 minute game winning drives, and have playoff success. Those type of guys win you super bowls, enough with the steady eddies.
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Just now, alluro said:
Foles completed a higher percentage of his passes, didn't turn it over, and has the same 3 passing TDs so you can argue he did.
More importantly, I won't argue with you that having a great QB sets you up for success more than not having one. That seems pretty obvious, but if you look at those QBs over the past 11 years that are hall of famers, where were they drafted? Sure, you have the mannings at the top of the draft, but you also have your Big Ben's at the 11th pick, your Drew brees's in the second round, Tom Brady in the 6th round, Kurt Warner undrafted, Russell Wilson in the 3rd round, Aaron Rodgers in the LATE first round.
Buffalo has the 12th pick.
Foles threw an interception. Brady just had the greatest super bowl qb performance ever and still lost which is crazy. The Rodgers draft was weird, everyone knew that he was either going number 1 or he was going to slide. But regardless , yes you can find qb's outside the top of the draft. And the bills clearly have been successful with that strategy.....
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
Terry, please just acknowledge you have no way of knowing that
You are correct i have no source. It is purely speculation on my part based off of logic, common sense, and history.
Just now, Pbomb said:The draft is over? Damn i was hoping we would have gotten a qb
of course not. we will get a ton of good players, just not that young potential franchise qb.
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2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
....I think you're missing his point......MB is made up of opinions......at the same time, some of those "opinions" are driven home 24/7 as being gospel and diminishing those of others....look at the obnoxious "SHOULD BEANE BE FIRED" thread as a precise example....McBeane and his staff of 17+ scouts, many of which are high profile NFL personnel execs, probably at an annual payroll of $3.5 mil know their craft.....perfect?...hardly......subject to mistakes?...of course....draft and FA will never be an exact science...so some little keyboard clown starts fecal material about firing him just to be obnoxious and take away the spirit of LEGITIMATE football discussion...seriously?......because he's far smarter than the combined 17?......
There will always be people who want Beane fired, its the low hanging fruit. he has done a great job imo , i am just frustrated with the circumstances of the matter. We desperately need a franchise qb , and there is no reasonable way of getting one anytime soon.
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Just now, alluro said:
The second season in Chip Kelly's offense and Foles came back down to earth -- so much so that the Eagles, Rams, and Chiefs all didn't see a 'pro bowl qb' in Foles. I would argue making the Pro Bowl isn't that significant anyway as a number of mediocre talents at the position have been in that game.
Tom Brady is arguably the best player to ever play. The fact a journeyman like Foles was able to outplay him on the biggest stage in sports is telling.
And because only one team can win the superbowl, getting to a championship is a great season. If you build a team capable of getting that far, all it takes is a few things to break right in your direction and you can win it all. So yes, getting to a championship game is a successful season in my book.
1. As a Nick foles fan , there was more to it than just him falling back to earth that 2nd year. There were huge changes made that were disastrous on gm chip kellys part.
2. Foles did not outplay brady. Brady threw for a superbowl record , and he didn't punt once.
3. Look at the previous qb's in the super bowl the past 11 years. only 3 will not make the hall of fame. But keep talking yourself into legitimizing journeymen qb's.
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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:
This is the type of fan mentality which allows for incompetence to happen year after year. Excuse me, but exactly ewho the hell do you think you are? Sorry to be so bluntly, but do you honestly believe that your mentality has anything to do with the success or failure of an NFL team?
you claim my take is solace in willful ignorance? Yours is misplaced arrogance and self-aggrandizement.
arrogance is earned, ignorance is not.
I do believe fan mentality plays a role in this. Look at what the browns did this year . They had a parade for a 0-16 team that mocked them and what they have become and that is a national embarrassment. Do you believe that has played a role in them being by far and away the most aggressive team this offseason? Maybe , maybe not but it didn't hurt. I took out some frustration on your post and i apologize for it. I just don't see how anyone can look at that jets move and feel any amount of optimism.
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Just now, alluro said:
3 of the 4 Quarterbacks that made the championship games this year were Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, and Case Keenum. Build a solid team and you can win with any competent player at QB. I am going to be ecstatic if the Bills can get Lamar Jackson at 12 as I feel he is the best player in this draft anyway.
1. If getting to the championship game is your idea of success then that is sad.
2. Foles had to play perfect just to beat brady. And Foles away from jeff Fisher is a pro bowl qb, who has won a probowl mvp, thrown 7 touchdown passes in a season, and has had a record setting season . So big difference between foles and the other qb's that sh** the bed when it was time to shine.
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Just now, Roch-A-Bill said:
We also entered the draft in the "unfortunate'' and unexpected position of having made the play-offs, hence pick #22 - only so much you can do with the cards you're dealt and the math invovled. That said, I think a move up is still a possibility.
RIght. And i don't want that post to come off as me bashing Beane. We got dealt with some cards, made a great move to improve our cards, and stils could not seal the deal. I think moving up to 4 is possible, but of the teams who are also in position to move to 4 we rank 3rd in terms of attractiveness. We would have to leapfrog to 6. If we got to 6 we have a chance.
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No offense but this post screams "taking solace in willful ignorance".
This is just a message board for entertainment purposes, but this is stance you have taken is problematic for me. 1. You are giving people hope where there is no hope. 2. It is this type of fan mentality which allows for incompetence to happen year after year. 3. You are trying to portrait a rosy picture after the jets trade, and that is a facade of authenticity.
I truly hate being this negative and certainly try to avoid that type of negativity in every day life, but I can't let you mislead people. Beane has done a phenomenal job, aquiring picks, shedding cap space, making the most of the assets he has. However to think that all of this was done with not a qb in mind is wrong. It is not a coincidence in one of the most loaded qb drafts ever we have the 2nd most draft capital of any team. We loaded up to get a top guy and failed. Simple as that.
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5 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
Keenum was the most accomplished FA QB on the market this off-season. Only pointing it out because I feel like he should have garnered enough credibility and leverage with his success with the Vikings to ask and be given teams potential plans for the upcoming draft. Maybe not. But I just feel he doesn't pick Denver if he feels he is getting benched in the pre-season for Mayfield or Rosen.
His 2 year deal is not necessarily a remedy for the future, but puts them in perfect position if they draft a qb like allen and develop him.
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16 minutes ago, Klaista2k said:
If we wanted to trade with the Browns for the 1st pick in the draft do you think they'd accept this offer?
Bills gets:
2018 Browns 1st overall pick
2018 Browns 4th round (101)
Cleveland gets:
2018
Bills 1st round (12 overall)
Bills 1st round (22nd overall)
Bills 2nd rounder (53rd)
Bills 3rd rounder (65th)
2019
Bills 1st round pick
Would that be enough to get it done?
Most years yes. Not this year. Browns have a ton of picks too, and have had a ton the past few years.
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7 hours ago, Looper said:
I want a Jim Kelly/John Elway/Roethlisberger mold franchise QB - tough, doesn't mind playing in sh*t weather, and a gamer. I don't discount Allen as I think he's the closest to Kelly/Elway/Roethlisberger with a few more years of development. Blue collar town - I want a blue collar QB.
Please name me 1 non blue collar qb.
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Just now, oldmanfan said:
Yes they can. As you said no price is too small if it's the guy they want. They can package picks this year, next year, throw Shady in, whatever if it's the guy they have to have. I have not mentioned Barkley all day; I have no idea why you brought that up.
There is no way either of those two teams trade the top 2 picks. Both are in need of a young franchise qb, the most important position in sports. I would bet every penny i own that the browns and giants stay where they are.
It is becoming increasingly clear that the only position in football that truly matters is the qb.
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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
They can also move to 1 or 2.
No they can't. Browns will draft their qb at 1 , and giants will draft their new franchise qb at 2. If you honestly believe Barkley will go anywhere with the first two picks you are getting your hopes up. And lets say one of those teams wants barkley, why trade with the bills at 12 that takes you out of the barkley sweepstakes. Denver could move up from 5-4 easily, and the browns still get barkley.
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4 hours ago, Adam727 said:
If the Bills can't get Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield I really hope this is plan B. I don't think it will happen, but it would definitely be my favorite of all the scenarios left at that point.
It would take the sting out of not getting our QB this year a little (and would take the sting out of losing a franchise LT for a plan that didn't work out) if we move back at 12 for another 1st next year. I know the QB class next year probably isn't as good, but we likely won't be needing to trade up all the way from 21 next year either.
There are no franchise qb's next year. This was the year. Everything was in place, tons of picks , new gm, just coming off a playoff appearance.
Some years you get goff and wentz, others you get winston and mariotta.
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11 hours ago, Klaista2k said:
The 2004 draft was the stupidest thing ever.
All we had to do was move ahead of Pittsburgh and we would've had Big Ben.
But Donahoe was a complete idiot and said the asking price was too much.
2004 draft and the whitner pick set this franchise back 5 years easily.
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Just now, oldmanfan said:
I think he's being smart if he waits till draft day to move. Again it's whether he sees a guy as a guy he has to have. He has the ammunition to swing a deal and can close out others by waiting.
There is only 1 draft spot available. 3 qb's are already off the board. If you want one of the top 4 franchise qb prospects in this draft you have to get to 4. Teams are already submitting offers to the browns. I would not be Surprised to see that pick traded this week.
For all who want to trade up so bad
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I am going to let you in on a little secret. I found a way to improve the offensive line, the wr's, the te, the rb's, and The DEFENSE. Guess how.
Getting a stud qb, that is how.