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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
There is one thing that you left out. The ONLY other guy that the Bills ended up keeping was off to the worst start that a QB has ever had. While Keenum, Bradford, Kolb and McCarron have all had varying degrees of success in this league Peterman had not. The decision would be much easier to defend if they kept someone like Anderson to begin with. Having confidence in Peterman is where this thing got sideways. That’s on the FO.
AMEN.
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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
His career: 58% completion rate, 10TD/11Int, rating around 78. About what I'd expect of a backup guy. Some good, some bad. Seems like a pretty good second guy to have. And not utterly false, just at odds with your opinion that you apparently confuse with fact.
Allen has played 5 games with a weaker supporting cast. We'll see how he does.
I agree -- pretty solid performance for a #2 guy who has only played 11 games with a pretty bad team.
The problem is that his career is just a shade longer than Allen's and his numbers are far superior.
What does that say about our guy?
Do you see my point now?
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34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Beathard and Osweiler each played OK this week. And odds are big they will have poor games coming up. But because of one game their history is ignored and some here complain we don't have either of them.
This is utterly and completely false.
I encourage all of you to take a good long look at CJ Beathard's career log -- especially his production as a rookie last year.
In fact, last year I was using CJ Beathard as an example of how limited Tyrod was and how far behind the Bills were as an offense. Here was a 3rd round rookie who was able to produce respectable passing yardage, and yet our 7th year vet couldn't crack 200 half the time.
I didn't think it could get any worse. But, leave it to the Bills to consistently redefine "rock bottom".
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39 minutes ago, FLFan said:
I already explained my logic in a previous post, but in the real world, QB production is ultimately gauged by wins and losses. He lost last night, as he a,ways does. His team scored 6 points in the second half. That's is not good production. He is a semi- adequate backup at this point. Yes, I wish he was our backup because I certainly think he is better than Peterman. Your conclusions in comparing him to Allen are faulty.
Then you would obviously view Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler as titans at the position because they have winning records.
I'm looking to gauge basic competence at the position and skill development. Yards & TDs are the basic measures of skill at the QB position.
For example, if I were looking to figure out how tall a guy was, I'd look at how many feet & inches he stands.
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2 hours ago, whatdrought said:
You can't just say you're bankrupt...
He didn't say it, he declared it.
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2 minutes ago, FLFan said:
Win/loss is too subjective a stat, but the crap you are relying on is not? Do you even hear yourself? Your arguement is foolishness.
You mean Passing yards, TDs, & games started?
I'm judging QB production, not launching a rocket.
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15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
riding the range was a joke.
See last post.
My fault, I'll go take a lap.
2 minutes ago, FLFan said:He lost. Again.
W-L is too subjective a stat. The Bills' QB recently lost a game that the defense should have won.
Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler have winning records at QB.
I'm simply looking at production only.
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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
3-more-career-starts
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a Year riding the pine learning
CJB didn't really "ride the pine" & learn. He played a bunch last year, 6 games with 5 starts on a really, really bad 49ers team.
9 games (8 starts) -- 196/338 57.4% 2322 yds 10TD 11INT 75.3RTG
He's averaging 258 yds/gm. Not too bad for a rookie QB taken in the 3rd round.
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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Shhhh You don't confuse them with facts
I've already explained why this point should make Bills fans even more concerned about the current state of the position.
CJB is clearly an upgrade over Josh Allen right now. It's so glaring that they appear to be playing two different sports at times. Bills fans would throw a parade at this point for 235 and a couple of TDs and an offense that scores 30 points in a game.
However, the 49ers didn't believe CJB was good enough and made a huge move in an attempt to upgrade even more. That should tell you something -- we'd be thrilled with CJB, but he's not even good enough for his current team. That's how far behind the rest of the league this Bills team is.
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3 hours ago, jkirchofer said:
They drafted him under the understanding that they would teach him to read a defense. They have not accomplished that goal. Nor have they built the game plan that allows him to grow. They play it safe and vanilla because that is all McDermott and Dabol are capable of doing. If this kid washes out of the NFL, it is their fault.
This is something that I definitely can't argue, especially given the current state of the position on this team.
To this point, they have shown that they have absolutely zero clue how to manage the most important position in professional sports.
2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:So it's all a lost cause.
Josh Allen will never be successful in this league. Is that the bottom line?
It's not trending in a good direction at this point in time and he appears to be miles and miles and miles behind other comparable, young QBs. That's all I'm saying.
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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
some of you guys a being SUPER TROLLS
C.J. Beathard was 1-4 last season
54.9 % comp
4 TD and 6 INT
19 sacks
Now he's a stud? SMH.
For a kid in his 8th career start, he sure looked like one in the making last night.
Better than anything the Bills have currently or have had since Orton.
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Just now, Jeetz1231 said:
Well the title of the post cites CJ Bethards performance so how exactly am I foolish for thinking this post wasn't based on his performance?
It is -- but also within the context of Josh Allen's lack of performance and the mismanagement of the position.
I would deserve to be called an idiot if I created this post and Josh Allen had two or three games here where he was in command of the offense -- making a couple of big throws, maybe even producing 200 passing yards in a single game.
People are relying on the "it takes time" excuse for Allen. I agree -- but I also think that it's important to track where he is in relation to other young QBs. A 7th overall pick shouldn't be this far behind a 3rd round backup.
The Bills have a historically bad passing offense in a league where 200 yards is practically given to you due to the new rules favoring offense.
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12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
No you wouldn't. That's crap. You and many others here would be screaming about the pick. Admit it.
Nope. I wouldn't. I would expect a rookie in his 8th start to make a rookie mistake late.
It would suck, but there were plenty of other great plays that he did make to walk away with optimism for the future.
With the Bills, there are very, very few plays which give me a sense of optimism -- and far, far more plays which are evidence that this project is trending towards failure.
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8 hours ago, Mark Vader said:
Yet the 49'ers believe in Jimmy Garoppolo.
Which should show you just how far behind the Bills actually are.
The 49ers have a young QB they drafted in the 3rd round that is currently miles ahead of where the Bills 7th overall pick is -- and the 49ers still made a move to get even better at the position.
7 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said:You just summed up the fanbase perfectly. almost everyone KNEW this was going to be a rough year (5-7 wins) and when it's going exactly how everyone thought it would before the season started people start freaking out. Everyone KNEW JA was a project and after 4 games of not throwing for 300+ and making some rookie mistakes he is the worst QB and the GM and coach need to go.
For Allen, it's 4 games of 513 total yards passing and 1 TD.
For the GM & coach, it's their abject mismanagement of the most important position in professional sports.
You're a fool if you think this reaction is based solely on CJ Beathard's performance.
2 hours ago, The Process said:Regularly failing? Wow....talk about impatience.....that's like drinking 5 slim fast drinks and expecting to lose 5 pounds.....
3 of his 6 appearances have been under 100 yards passing. I would say that qualifies as "regularly".
You are arguing semantics.
You obviously don't have a legitimate point.
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5 hours ago, LABillzFan said:
You know what's the most comical? The very people who are miserably envious of what Beathard did tonight in GB would be pissing on his front yard if, as a Bills QB, he threw that pressure-soaked pick to give the Pack the ball back with 90 seconds left in a tie game.Then they'd shake it off and head over to the coaches' houses for not calling a better play to counter the pressure. Then they'd go to Pegula's house to piss in his yard just for good measure.
Nope. Not at all.
I'd be fine with a rookie/2nd year QB who puts up 250 & 2 TDs in a shootout with an all-time great QB and throws a late INT.
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7 hours ago, batmanfreek said:
Of course. Has nothing to do with the team that is surrounding him or coaching. It's all QB talent. Just like Mahomes. They would both flourish here. ?
9ers were playoff contenders before Jimmy G went down. And it wasn't ALL because of him. It was the combination of couching, QB AND the pieces around him.We don't have that here. So before we get into the "Finger of shame to 1BD for not drafting this kid!", that kid and most others would SUCK here.
Mahomes might not be throwing at a historical pace here in Buffalo. But instead of 350 & 4 TDs every game, is it a stretch to think that he'd be good enough to get 235 & 2 every game -- just on talent alone? 235 & 2 would have easily gotten you a win last Sunday.
I know I'd be ok with 235 yds & 2 TDs in a game from a Bills QB at this point. The gap between Allen & other young QBs like Mahomes & Beathard last night is basically a canyon.
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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:
Hold on now ... let's not get carried away. CJ Beathard was really bad for most of last year. And he finished it with a 69.2 QB rating. And we know it wasn't all about "no talent around him on the offense" because as soon as Jimmy G. took over the offense was almost ridiculously better. But I do get the point: CJ Beathard was ordinary "rookie bad" last year. Our guys - Peterman, Allen - have been a special kind of awful.
Very well put.
You explained it better than I did.
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Just now, Success said:
You sure about that? Impossible?
I admit, it was a bit of hyperbole meant to illustrate my point.
However, after two straight weeks of 80 yard passing days -- I'm confident that 200 yards seems impossible at this point, yes.
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3 minutes ago, Success said:
These threads will last - let’s get everyone in record.
Who would do a straight-up trade, right now?
I would.
Hope I have to eat this post someday, but I highly doubt it.
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2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:
He might be a good player. He was a third round pick and has a year under his belt which is huge.
Look at his stats from his rookie year.
That is what really is troubling.
CJB was competent out of the box. Meanwhile, JA has a lot of trouble executing a basic NFL passing play.
Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen -- all of them have at least exhibited the ability to produce respectable passing production at this early stage in their careers. 200 yards seems impossible right now for Josh Allen.
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Check his career game log:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/
Only one time has this kid been under 200 yards passing in a game. Looks like a star in the making tonight on MNF.
Meanwhile, Josh Allen is regularly failing to break 100 yards in a game.
Beathard looked competent as a rookie last season with a group of no-name receivers, too.
Only 3 more career starts. Allen needs to get really good, really quickly.
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10 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:
Well, not in Tampa Bay, just nearby. There's a 35 year old quarterback named Ryan Fitzpatrick who as recently as a couple of weeks ago threw for 400 yards in back to back games. The Bucs aren't going anywhere, Winston will be the starter, they have a young third-string QB, so if the Bills offered something stupid (4th round pick for 35 year old back-up QB?), they'd probably take it. We all know what Fitzy is and what he isn't. He's certainly better than anything on the roster right now. It would be a shame to throw away the year when the D is playoff caliber. This isn't about Allen by the way. Some guys should sit their first year. He's one of them.
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The Bills absolutely have a playoff-caliber, if not championship-caliber defense & kicker.
Unfortunately, they have a Section VI JV offense.
Bring Fitzy home.
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16 minutes ago, the skycap said:
Is Beathard a rookie?
No. He's a second-year pro making his 8th career start.
His career game log should really make people concerned about Josh Allen.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/
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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2018/ufa/wide-receiver/available/
After sitting through the past 5 games, I've come to the conclusion that you could grab any four guys off this list and immediately have a better (or at least comparable) group of WRs than what the Bills currently have on the field.
Dez Bryant
Dontrell Inman
Jeremy Maclin
Rishard Matthews
Not that it really matters anyway. Our QBs can't execute basic NFL passing plays.
The UFA QB list is even more depressing. However, I'm sure you could grab any idiot off that list and get better production than what you are currently getting.
No matter what, Peterman & Benjamin need to be cleaning out their lockers tomorrow.
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Peter King with Murph & Tasker Today: Bills' QB Situation is Lunacy
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Unfortunately, I agree with you.