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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Yep they jumped the shark imo
Sure... but you might want to make sure you don’t make it the only factor. He might be good but at some point you want to ensure a guy isn’t totally in over his head. And experience working with QBs isn’t equal to accomplishment.
Just because he’s young doesn’t mean he doesn’t mean he’s in over his head. How can anyone make a good opinion on the hire before the guy even speaks a word. McVay was thought of in the same way but then the guy opened his mouth and knowledge poured out.
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He is Fred Jackson JR. He checks all the boxes. He even has Jackson's stride. I'd be all for it, too far out to gauge where he'd be taken.
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12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
This is a bit of a surprise given he is only 35 and very little experience. But he was OC at UC a couple years ago so there is that.
? Must be a really good interviewer. And he’s connected with Sean McVay on LinkedIn so
They are clearly prioritizing a guy who has a lot of experience working directly with the quarterback. Seems like a good trait to have as a HC.
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2 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:
Yodny Cajuste, Jonah Williams, Cody Ford
Too many assets to give up for any of those guys IMO. One of them could even fall into there laps at 23. None of them are worthy of that kind of trade up for at this point, could change as we get closer to the draft. Cody Ford is an interesting prospect to me. Just don't see them giving up those assets for anything less than a Quenton Nelson type of prospect.
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Definitely expect them to draft one with the depth. Plenty of options but I think you could get a really good one in the second round.
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18 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:
Here's my mock
Bills trade 9th pick to Texans for 23rd, 54, 55th picks
1. Hakeem Butler-WR Iowa State 6'5 215
2. Damien Harris-RB Alabama 5'10 214
2. Garrett Bradbury-C North Carolina State 6'3 305
2. Julian Love-CB Notre Dame 5'11 193
3. Tytus Howard-T Alabama State 6'6 311
4. Donald Parham-TE Stetson 6'7 255Who would the Texans be jumping up to 9 for where they'd be willing to give up 2 2nd round picks for?
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A mixture is the way to go. If you choose speed and a physical group of CBs press, you can use your taller physical targets. Speed is always needed but you need a mixture.
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9 hours ago, DCOrange said:
If we pursue a DT that gets cut, I'd prefer it be Gerald McCoy. Having said that, paying $25-30 million per year to your DTs (combined between Star, McCoy, and the two Phillips) is a lot.
Invest in the lines...
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Love the posts saying, I didn't know anything about him at the time so I was pissed. Basically saying, I looked at his stats and listened to the analysts and started yelling haha. So was it really your opinion or someone else's opinion you just regurgitated without even watching the kid play?
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4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
They need to be elite to be picked in the top ten imo. Trade down? Sure. Otherwise it's a wasted pick with little upside. If they aren't in the Quentin Nelson, class you don't do it. I believe you should't do it for left tackles either...unless they are elite. They elite talent in the class are defensive tackles, Allen and Bosa, Devin White.
The exception to this is when the Titans took Jack Conklin. It was a sort of weak draft after the top five so they drafted for need. But the passed on Leonard Floyd, Tunsil, Taylor Decker to do so. If Williams or Taylor are teh BPA at 9, fine take them. I count 12 defensive prospects better than those guys.
Seriously everyone, please understand that Jonah Williams and Taylor and Little are nowhere near the elite talent that Quentin Nelson is. Not even close.
I never said they were near Nelson and I stated in an earlier post that they’d need to be elite like Nelson was to be picked in the top 10-20.
i wasn’t dating any of these guys stray that level. I was simply saying that RT is worth taking in the top ten when the talent is there.
I fully expect Buffalo to draft defense based on the talent at the top of the class ATM:
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
If they draft a tackle in the first round they are expecting that guy to start at LT next year. I have very little doubt of that.
I don’t know about that. Dawkins has more experience and it’s probably smarter to wait and make sure the rookie can manage himself at the pro level by playing him in the right side. They will make him earn it. We will see how things shake out.
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46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I struggle to imagine a Nelson level guy whose ceiling is as a RT and couldn't go on to play on the left but if that person did exist I'd consider drafting them in the 1st. I just doubt very much that they do.
Two very good tackles would keep the outside rush in check and we could use the tight end more as a receiving threat for Allen. Get a guy that’s a mismatch weapon and give Allen a nice option to throw to. We need to be able to throw over the middle of the field better and a good tight end can fill that need.
I think Buffalo can realisticly add two starters on the line in FA. If they draft a tackle, they are probably starting him at RT next year with Dawkins at LT still. If Dawkins bounces back and has a great year with more talent on the line as a whole, would you switch the guy we draft over the next season? I doubt it. Then, he can become just a RT that you drafted in the first round. I think the point should just be to bring in another solid tackle.
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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
RT is important - nobody is saying it isn't. Nor is anyone saying the Bills don't need an upgrade there. All the starting positions in the NFL are important. But when you have picks particularly in the top 20 of the NFL Draft you should be using them to get the sorts of guys that don't become readily available in FA or through trade or later in the draft - Quarterbacks, solid blindside protectors, explosive pass rushers, #1 receivers, shut down corners.... or guys who are absolutely elite prospects at their positions (the aforementioned Nelson fits here).
Cordy had played left tackle at Georgia too - he was one of those in the Zack Martin / Forrest Lamp category. His ceiling was a good quality left tackle (which is what he became).
I just believe more teams have 2 pass rushing ends. That can disrupt a QBs play. If I want to maximize Allen’s in the pocket passing, then I’ll take a great RT in the first. It’s like you said with Nelson, you take a great prospect like that.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
So center I'd put a higher value on - they are responsible for identifying blitzes and calling protections and as we saw when Ryan Groy was in this year - that matters! If I think someone can be a top 3rd of the league center I am okay with spending a 1st round pick on them, but having said that in the 5 years I have been grading the only center I have actually give a 1st round grade to is Ryan Kelly in 2016 who went to the Colts. Two went in the first last year I had 2nd round grades on both. Guard I am willing to give 1st round grades.... but most of the ones I give are people like Zack Martin and Forrest Lamp who I thought were potentially top level guards who could also play left tackle (which interestingly enough is how I evaluated Dion Dawkins too although at lower level I had a 2nd on him). Someone like Quenton Nelson who went to the Colts last year is an obvious 1st round grade he was a stud.
And the Cowboys dominant offensive line that you reference pretty much proves my point about the value of RT. The left tackle was Tyron Smith (top 10 pick), the left guard was La'el Collins (UDFA who before off the field controversy was slated as a 1st or 2nd round pick), the center was Travis Fredrick (1st round pick), the right guard was Zack Martin (1st round pick) but the right tackle? Doug Free (4th round pick) who started his career at right tackle, they moved to the left and failed and moved back to the right. It is not a premium position and if a guy's ceiling is right tackle you shouldn't pick them in the 1st round. You should pick them later in the draft or find them in FA.
Valid points. However, I think it’s very difficult to know if a guy can’t play left tackle in college. You see so many players who can develop into that role. Glenn and Peters alone are guys that we’ve developed into left tackles but maybe were better suited for other positions around draft time.
I agree with giving the center position, it holds a lot of importance. I might just be one of the few that find the right tackle to also be really important. There are a lot of great pass rushers that our right tackles have to play. If Allen wants any time in the pocket next season, Buffalo will need to see a massive upgrade at that spot.
Allen got hurt from a hit by a rusher that our RT let by. Isn’t that the whole point to having a solid LT, so they don’t get hurt. To me, RT is an underrated position as more teams look to improve their pass rushers.
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
A solid starting right tackle is a bad use of a first round pick. Solid starting right tackles don't impact Ws and Ls enough to make them worth a 1st round pick. That doesn't mean they can't improve your team - but there are 6 other rounds to improve your team and there are routes to get vets through FA and trade that improve your team. Your first round pick (especially if you are picking in the first 2/3rds of the 1st round as the Bills invariably have been) should be real key impact players at critical positions. If you want to take a tackle in the 1st and start him at right tackle I am fine with that, but it must be someone who you feel ultimately could be a starting blindside protector in the National Football League - because they more than any other linemen impact Ws and Ls and they are the people that are much harder to acquire through trade, FA and in later rounds.
Let's take Ja'Wuan James as our case study:
- Drafted by the Dolphins in the 1st round of the 2014 NFL Draft (19th overall);
- Started as a rookie at RT opposite a proven vet in Brandon Albert on the left side;
- He started the season okay but when Albert got injured down the stretch he moved over to left tackle where he struggled badly with foot speed and movement skills in pass protection;
- Since then, returned to RT, he has given the Dolphins 4 really solid years of top 3rd of the league right tackle play;
- But going into 2016 (which would be James's third year the Dolphins) the Dolphins decided that they needed a long term answer to take over from Brandon Albert at LT in 2017;
- They judged James did not have the necessary skills to play left tackle and as a result spent a second 1st round pick in 3 years on an OT taking Laremy Tunsil;
- By the end of 2018 the Dolphins are in a position where James is a FA and it looks unlikely they bring him back, meaning that for their investment of a 1st round pick they have got 4 good years of production at a non-premier position.
That isn't a bust by any means... and he did improve their offensive line. But it is a poor return on investment. And I would argue James has been more than "a solid starting right tackle". He still hasn't been worth it. Now if when Albert moved on they had felt good enough about James to slide him over to the left side and he had become the starter there then I have no issue with him playing his first 3 years on the right side. But what the Dolphins did was spend a 1st round pick on a guy whose NFL ceiling was good right tackle.
So you’d be against grabbing a center and a guard in the first round too under this logic.
It’s not our problem that they’d let go of a top RT (if indeed he is one). I haven’t watched him play enough but you’re going to tell me in a league that passes the ball a lot and good defenses have multiple pass rushers a team doesn’t value a RT? I find that hard to believe given what we’ve seen at RT the last few years.
A swing tackle can can be a backup to a LT. That’s what they are used for.
Mills has had wrecked games this year for Allen. He’s given up plenty of pressures, sacks and hits on the QB. That’d be really valuable to stop. Remember the cowboys dominat o line play that they invested multiple 1st round picks in and it made everyone better. I think that’s something to learn from. Keep guys off of Allen and we can bring in cheap RB play. Invest in the lines. It’s worth it.
I’m all in with the BPA and if that’s a RT, you have to yes.
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5 hours ago, BakersBills said:
Those two picks aren’t enough, look at last years trades.
you can throw that chart out.
9 for 25, 27, and there 2nd and a 3rd in 2020 is more like it.
i think best scenario you trade down to the teens and pick up a late first or 2 and a 3.
And then you take best pass rusher or wr on the board imo.
The value of the pick changes every year. It depends on the talent available, what they are trading up for and a few other factors. I don’t think you’d get that type of trade this year with few QB prospects and the talent level being fairly even from where we are in the first round to where Oakland is picking later.
Youd still get a sizable haul but it depends on what teams are jumping up for. Last year’s trades had high values because of the high valued QB prospects that teams were willing to pay more for. I don’t see those prospects in this class. There are plenty of other QBs that could be available for the teams looking for a QB to hold the fort for a year instead of giving away an arm and a leg for an ok prospect.
That being said, if a team falls in love with a guy and he slips down past the WB needy teams ahead of us, we could be in business.
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8 hours ago, RememberTheRockpile said:
This is what the Bills get this year:
1st - 1
2nd - 1
3rd - 1
4th - 2
5th - 2
6th - 1
7th - 2Likely the first 4 rounds picks all make the team. Assume one from the 5th and one more from the 6th and 7th. That is 7 rookies or 13% of the 53 man roster. Imagine trading down in the first for a 1st and a 3rd. Throw in a undrafted rookie and your up to 9 or 17% of your roster. At some point, and I don't know what that point is, the inexperience becomes a liability especially early in the season. IMO, they would be much better served if they traded down and got future draft picks. For example instead of a 1st and a 3rd a 1st and next years 3rd.
Except you can cover up inexperience with strong veteran play. You just have to have the right kind of veterans in the building. Jumps from our other younger players that have seen action is also what they are relying on. Allen, Edmunds...all of those guys you expect to take a step forward. More assets now is a good thing, it quickens the process. You just have to be a patient fan in terms of development and not want them out the door after a handful of games. More talent under the rookie cap please. It builds up a foundation of inexpensive talent. As we add more talent to the team, rookies will play less right out of the gate allowing them to develop behind the scenes somewhat. We have to reach that point first where we have that much talent, we aren’t there yet. Take the pick this year.
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8 hours ago, GreggTX said:
I'll be upset if they just let Clay walk. I'm pretty sure there is another team in the NFL that would give something to have him on their roster. I have a hunch that Benjamin and Clay were discouraged by the fact that Allen's passing was so inaccurate. Benjamin even tweeted about that in the preseason regarding Cam, whose accuracy is considerably better than Josh's. Benjamin was just going through the motions like Clay. They don't want to be in Buffalo any longer. I wonder if that will impact our ability to sign WR's in FA.
You expect someone to sign up for his contract and low production with big drops and no motor. He’s not a desirable asset anymore. He’s a liability. Any team can find another player in FA or the draft and get better production out of him for cheaper. I think it’s safe to say you’ll be disappointed.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I wouldn't draft a guy in the first who I thought was a RT only. If I am taking a guy in the first round I need to believe that he can play on the left side even if I intend to start him on the right early in his career.
Why? Guards and centers go in the draft in the first round all the time. Why can’t a good right tackle? An improvement to the offensive line is worth a 1st round pick no matter what the position is IMO. A solid starting right tackle in the first round would be a million times better than the revolving door that is Mills.
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7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:
The first is more of a, it’s Dan Snyder's team, of course they’ll give up WAY too much.
But really, teams overpay to move up for QB’s all the time. But I’d be pretty happy with just the 2019 picks.
Also, we gave up 2nd rounders to move up 5 spots. We moved from 12 to 7. I think Beane could argue he’d want more to move from 9 to 16. It’s not necessarily how many spots you’re moving up, but what that team is moving up for, and who is between those two teams. Denver Cincinnati and Miami could all go QB. The cost to move up for a QB is never cheap.
While it's not cheap to trade up for a QB, at this point, I don't see any QB that a team would want to trade up for. Remember the EJ Manuel class...I think this one is similar. There are enough veterans (Foles, Bridgewater, Fitz, etc.) to put a bandaid on their situations for a year and kick it back until next year when there are better prospects.
Players can certainly jump up the boards before the draft but with Herbert going back to school, it's a weak class. No team will be overspending for a QB like last year. Those were extremely talented players and was a great QB class. This year falls very short of that.
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I like the tight end prospects in this class, perhaps a round 2 option. I doubt we pull the trigger on a first round receiver unless we are able to trade back. Way too early to work out the scenarios of who we will likely pick in the first round. We have plenty of needs and even needs at the positions of strength in the draft. Many players will rise in the next several months to go into the top ten. It happens every year.
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1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:
And this doesn't even count H. Phillips, whom I think (hope) will improve in his 2nd season.
Agreed. Defensive tackle is a tough position to dominate in year 1. Playing next to Kyle surely helped.
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High energy 6’6” 340 lb player. I’m interested haha. I think fits perfectly here. He’s great for a rotation. Gets proper rest during the game so he can stay effective and bring that high energy on more plays. Other guys feed off of guys who bring that little bit of extra to the game.
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Allen was hurt for part of the year and our offense was a different animal with him, especially after returning from injury. He’s a project player that’s shown he can play, just needs more time and continuity.
Do people expect every player they bring in to be a HOFer? I don’t understand. No GM/Coach is perfect. Even the best miss on first round picks and free agent acquisitions.
They’ve made some mistakes but what did people expect our record to be this year with youth everywhere and Wood and Incognito randomly deciding to leave. With those guys third year, our record could’ve been a lot different. Patience. I believe if we didn’t have the drought and we were in the same scenario, fewer fans would be pounding the table for them to be fired. It’s time to turn to continuity instead of hitting the eject button too soon.
The duo earned more time after taking a less than talented group to the playoffs last year.
Exciting offseason for us coming up, big strides can be made in year 2 with Josh Allen playing QB.
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