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    Trent Murphy and Star Lutulelei listed among worst free agent deals of 2018 - Per Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com

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    I could have written that piece and I'm a fat old man sitting on my couch skimming the internet and watching TV. Only difference is that I would have showed the off season in the Bills favor because I'm a life long fan and eternal optimist. Doesn't mean I know any more or less than the kids making $60k to put their drivel on NFL.com. 

    He had a deadline to complete a task just like any of us and was trying to get it done by 5 so he could get to the bar, have a drink and try to !@#$ a chick before his buddy does. I wouldn't worry too much about his opinion.  

     

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    [Vague Title]You don't know squat

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    4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    "Total." Period. It means "absolute." 100%. There's no room for semantics here. Total means total.

     

    The minute you say, "the only reason it's not considered total" you're destroying your own point, admitting there is in fact a reason. Yes, they kept a bunch of vets. Expensive, old vets, exactly the kind who would go in a total rebuild. That means it's not total.

     

    It's a partial rebuild. And there's nothing wrong with a partial rebuild.

    Then there has never been a "total" rebuild in the history of the NFL. Which I suppose you could say is true but then again it comes down to semantics. What we agree on is that the Bills are in the midst of a high level rebuild of some kind and it has included the GM, practically every coaching position and starting position and in the process made the playoffs which is very impressive. Impressive enough that you assume they will make the right decisions this spring especially since we don't know squat. ?

    Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

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    1 hour ago, Greensleeves said:

    Yeah, right.

     

    DBs: Trumaine Johnson, resigned Claiborne to add to Adams and Maye in the secondary

    Crowell at RB - 4.2 yards per carry

    QB: McCown to mentor a top young QB you guys probably won't be getting ;), Bridgewater - both on 1 year deals. Next year rookie takes over and we cash in on Bridgewater if he plays well to recoup some picks. If rookie plays great we can cut Bridgewater and it only costs us $500,000. We had over 90 million and you're thinking 5 million is a big deal? McCown job is to mentor the young QB we pick at 3 (or 2). Best case scenario is that Browns trade into the #2 spot with the Giants from #4. Jets are a lock to get Rosen if that happens. That would mean Giants want Nelson or Chubb and grab some extra picks and still get who they want. 

    Upgrade at center

    Upgrade at linebacker

    Depth on D-line

    And we're not done yet. 

    Plus, we're getting Q back as our #1 receiver

    Top 3 QB in the draft - quite possibly top 2. Jet's will dominate the division for the next 10+ years once the young QB takes over. You guys had your time, Pats are coming to the end of theirs, Dolphins had theirs - this Jets team will take over in a year for a decade. 

     

    Once we get rid of Bowles then we'll really be dangerous. A new owner would be great too, but that's much tougher to get.

    How nice of a Jets fan to come visit. It's great you have such optimism for your plan B after Cousins left you waiting at the alter. It actually seems quite crazy to put your faith in the final Hail Mary move by a regime that has done a miserable job for three years and a 21 year old Dbag QB from California who you may or may not get. You will get a QB, that is true, it may not be the one you want but keep the faith in your "best case scenario" possibilities, because that is what you gave up 3 2nd rounders for... A possibility. And don't worry about getting rid of Bowles, it won't be that hard when the new GM comes in with his new staff. Just hope he likes that shiny new quarterback you just paid for. 

    [Vague Title]You don't know squat

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    Just now, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Shaw, this isn't a semantic discussion. It's cut and dried. Yeah, "rebuild" has a million levels and variations and extents. "Total," on the other hand, is a very unambiguous word. There's no way to look at it that does NOT have it mean "absolute," "complete," and "unequivocal." That's what the word means.

     

    It doesn't mean dump everyone good, though. It means dump everyone good and getting older. Most particularly if they're expensive. The general rule is 29 or 30 or so, especially at positions where guys don't last. Particularly the athletic positions like CB, RB, WR, speed LBs, etc. Your team will suck for a while. In probably 80% or more of cases it will be three years or more. Guys getting older will be just old enough to be jettisoned when the good years get here.

     

    Less than total is partial. And that's what this is, a partial rebuild. Again, if it weren't, you just wouldn't keep Shady. He'll get you a win or two, he'll cost a lot of money and he'll be gone by the time the team will have a chance to win. Keeping him has no upside in a total rebuild. You trade him for picks. Absolutely Incognito too. He'll be used up three years from now, and you don't re-sign Kyle Williams. He's good, and he's old and reasonably expensive.

     

    You also don't do a total rebuild in your second year as GM. You do it going in. It's too painful and too long-lasting. You don't want your owner thinking after your fourth year, "Gee, he hasn't gotten things together yet." And even the patient owners think that after four years these days. You do it coming in.

     

    And yeah, total rebuilds are rare. But the Cleveland case is a very recent one that makes it clear that this happens. One win in two years. Immensely painful for the fanbase. But potentially extremely lucrative. So painful that the owner couldn't stay the course with that GM. That's the reason you don't do it in  your second year as GM. Even owners who say they understand it will be painful and long-lasting often run out of patience.

    It's completely semantics. The only reason some don't consider it a "total" rebuild is because McD kept around a handful of vets to help the culture rebuild portion of the total rebuild, a 9-7 record which shocked everyone and a playoff birth. If the Bills finished with a 3-13 or 4-12 record everyone would consider it a total rebuild. They have changed every starting position on the football team other than about 5 and they are rotational. You can't judge a rebuild by record only by actions. The fact the Bills stayed competitive with so many new players as well as gaining draft capital is a testament to the quality of the job of the rebuild. But IMO it was and is continuing to be a total rebuild. 

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    Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

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    I promise you that Beane is not going to overpay for a draft spot. He will move up if he believes the value of what he gives = the value of the spot. The Jets gave up the equivalent of the overall first round pick to move up 3 spots. That is absolutely getting it shoved right in the ass. Complete panic move. 

    Come draft day, if the player Beane covets is still around at 5 or 6 or 7 etc., Beane may make a move, but he is trading for a PLAYER, not a DRAFT SPOT. 

     

    Besides that there is not one person in their right mind that would bet their life that Rosen or Darnold will be better than say Jackson or Rudolph. It's probable, but not a certainty. Not certain enough to give 3 second round picks when you might have gotten one anyway. 

     

    2018 First 3 round Draft Picks: Jets 3, 72.

                                                           Bills 12, 22, 53, 56, 65, 96. 

     

    From MMQB:

    STARTING PLAYERS IN THE 2018 NFL DRAFT INTERLUDE.Interesting question. Queried about how many starting-caliber players they felt were in this draft, six scouting people or GMs over the weekend came back with these figures: 35, “40 to 50,” “about 70,” 73, “75-ish,” 83 and 111. I asked because I wanted to figure out whether it made sense for the Colts to try to trade down one more time.

    ASTERISK TO STARTING PLAYER INTERLUDE. One of those teams said if you considered “situational starters” like third corners or slot corners, slot receivers or slotback/receiver types like Christian McCaffrey, he’d add 32 players to his team’s total.

     

    Jets: Josh McCown 1 year 10 million

    Bills: AJ McCarron 2 years 10 million

     

    Bills are destroying the Jets this off season up to this point and it's not even close.

    Cover 1:. 5 Reasons Lamar Jackson is the Bills Target

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    40 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

    One thing I can't get over is they passed on Deshaun Watson last year. Now Beane wasn't here yet so maybe that means something, but why pass on Watson, trade Taylor, and then draft Jackson. 

     

    It doesn't make much sense. Their actions show they want a pocket passer. 

    No way McD was going to draft the young franchise QB last year with the stink of the Ryan brothers still so fresh in the building and still so early in the process of changing the culture. I think it will be different this year. 

    [Vague Title]You don't know squat

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    1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Yeah, as I said, a few nuts and fruitcakes will take nearly any position. I'm sure there are a few people. 

     

    But no, getting to 3 absolutely would not have been meaningless. Same as the Jets just put us in an extremely difficult position, we'd have done the same if we'd been the ones moving up.

     

    Say the Browns go Darnold and the Giants Rosen or Mayfield. Would it have been useless to move to #3 early if as you suggest they think those are the three guys they want? Now say the Jets pick the third of those three. Still useless?

     

    This hurt us. Now it could still turn out OK, if say the Bills want Rosen or Mayfield and the Giants go RB and the Jets pick Allen. But if that's how it's going, the Giants are likely to get a major offer. What do we do if the Browns go Darnold and we call the Giants and they say, "Yeah, Arizona just offered us their next three 1sts and a 2nd this year. Can you beat that?" Or if they say, "Listen, the Jets just offered us the #3 pick so we can get the guy we want anyway, as well as their 1st next year. You'll have to pretty much do a Pacman Jones at a strip club deal here and make it rain to beat that offer. Whatcha got?"

     

    This hurts. It restricts our options and puts the Giants in the catbird seat, probably making it even more expensive to get there if that's where we need to go.

    I'm not sure Beane thinks that way. From what he has said, and I have no reason not to believe him, he is pretty strict about the value of players and draft picks. IMO he has a value of moving to #2 and the Jets being at 3 doesn't change that value and no way he is going to get in a bidding war with the Jets for the 3rd pick in the draft when 1 and 2 are decided. We can play the "what if the Browns go Darnold and the Giants go Barkley" before the draft, but Beane won't and it's irresponsible for him to do so. Now if that scenario actually did happen and Beane wanted Rosen?.... Then he might up the ante but it will be based on his value of Rosen not the #3 pick. 

    And I think that is the point of the thread. We don't know. And more importantly neither do the Jets and the Bills. There was not enough information for the Jets to make that expensive move for a question mark.

    Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

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    Too much gloom and doom in this thread. The Jets way overpaid for the right to draft a player with the  #3 pick when they already had the #6 with very little draft capital and a very weak roster. On top of that the Jets organization has just, in the past week, given $15-$20 million to the QB position which everyone assumes and rightfully so that they will draft. The fact of the matter is, there is no guarantees in this league about players drafted. There is no sure thing. To mortgage 5 years of a franchises future by giving up 3 2nd round draft picks to move up 3 spots is irresponsible and ignorant, especially if you havent done the work to gather draft assets like the Bills have done in 1 short year. 

    Beane will not overpay to move up to draft a player who is not a sure thing. It is the very same reasoning why he didn't give Sam Bradford $20 million and why he didn't give Keenum $20 million. They are not worth it. 

    The team the Bills need to worry about after this trade is the Indianaplois Colts, not the NY Jets.

    If Gettleman makes a fair offer, I expect Beane to move up, if he doesn't, I expect Beane to wait and see what unfolds.  In my opinion Beane thinks the Jets made a huge mistake today. It was a panic move and a bad one as it stands tonight. 

     

    Cordy Glenn traded to bengals

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    Have to admit this is pretty exciting and it seems obvious they are looking to move up to get the guy they want. I think they have to wait to see what the Browns do at 1 and have a few plans in place depending on what they will have to give up to move up. If the Browns take Barkley at 1 and the Giants don't want to take a QB, the price for that spot goes down significantly with the assumption that Chubb is going 3. Suddenly a trade with the Broncos or the Jets at 5 or 6 may get you your guy assuming one of the two take Cousins.

    I guess it depends how risky Beane wants to be going forward. We have enough picks to go to #2 right now but if he wants to wait he might get his guy for a lot less. It's a crazy time.....

    2 minutes ago, Adam727 said:

    I think the writing was on the wall for Glenn so not a total surprise, but I genuinely dislike this move.

     

    When healthy (which he has been most of his career) Glenn was a top 10 LT (locked up with a base salary of only $7.5 mil a year) and we just traded that away for the equivalent of a mid 2nd round pick.  And our salary cap savings this year from the move are barely enough to pay for Chris Ivory!  

     

    I understand this was done in the context of a bigger move to trade up for a QB and we won't know how this trade works out for a few years, but I don't understand why this trade couldn't have waited for draft day or why we wouldn't want to keep a top tier LT on a cheap contract to protect our new QB.  (What if we just traded Cordy for next to nothing and still can't get our QB of choice because Jets/Broncos/Cardinals leapfrog us anyway?)

     

    I understand what Beane is doing.  But now we're talking about trading up using the pick we got for not selecting Watson/Mahomes last year, the pick we got for Sammy, the pick we got for Darby, probably our other first rounder and who knows what else.  If they miss with that selection after the mass exodus of talent over the last two years that it took to set this trade up  in motion, Beane will have single-handedly set the team back for years to come.  

    No way they make this trade with the idea that Glenn is a top 10 LT. They spent an entire year with him and have a good idea what they thought he was worth, it was less than Cincy which values out to a mid second. It is very hard to question them so far when they have arguably more talent on this team now as they did before the 2017 season, they have reduced the salary by an obscene amount of $ and they have an insane amount of picks. Regardless of what happens going forward no way this team has been set back. Oh and we made the playoffs last year.?

    Bills can kill 2 birds with 1 stone

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    1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

     

    Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are 

     

    but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1...

     

    if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop 

     

    At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB

    I threw up in my mouth just a little bit when I read this.

    Josh McDaniels Withdraws from Colts' HC Job

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    No one has to honor a verbal commitment. But most men with honor do. I think it is safe to say, based on all reporting, that there was a verbal commitment made by McDaniels to the Colts. Unfortunately for the Colts(or fortunately), I think it is safe to say, based on all reporting, that McDaniels is a douchebag with very little honor. He was a known to be douchy at Denver, douchy at St. Louis and he comes off as douchy at NE. Douchebagery is not a great quality for a head coach but you can get away with it as an OC. Belichek is a dick but not a douchebag. Big difference in my book. McDaniels as head coach of NE is good for the Bills and can't come soon enough. This will go down as another decision that will lead to the downfall of the Patriot dynasty. I'm confident of it.  

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    Tyrod Wants to Stay with the Bills, but Won't Take Another Pay Cut

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    1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Again, you are missing the point. It wasn’t one OR the other it was both!! They all count the same. 

     

    Saying that you want the passing game to improve is beyond reasonable. Saying that passing is more important than running (or visa versa) isn’t reasonable. They are the same. Army football ran for 4710 yards and threw for 361 yards and won 10 games. All that matters is the score. 

    Army...:lol:

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