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3 hours ago, Airseven said:
Dan Brugler (Athletic) has Booth slipping into round 2 as well. Burks to Bills at #25.
There must be something about his previous injuries that are turning off SOME teams. Primarily those teams drafting 20-32.
PS I still like Dax Hill at 25, as well as Zion Johnson, maybe Kyler Gordon. Not as sexy as a Wide Receiver, I know.
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18 hours ago, newcam2012 said:
Beane moving up to get Edmunds sure looks like an error.
I can not dispute your assessment.
That is the danger of moving up. You give up multiple picks, and the guy you get may not pan you.
Another example is when the Bills moved up in the 2nd round, giving up two 4th round picks (plus the 2nd round pick) to take Reggie Ragland. He blow out his knee in rookie camp and missed his rookie year.
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2 minutes ago, Rubes said:
What would you do with it?
Obviously go nuts and blow it all...tomorrow.
Kidding, actually you want some for the draft picks, and a few more million in case a veteran player becomes available after the draft that you would want and can help your team. Now is the team to have a few bullets in reserve.
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22 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:
This sounds really strange to me.
I can understand that some teams take some players completely out of their boards due to off-field issues or injury concerns. But that has to be some small number of players. How it is then possible to have less than 150 or even less than 100 players on the board? What are the reasons for taking a player completely of a teams board?
I understand that there are scheme issues for example, so if a CB excels in man defense team like Bills may downgrade him a round or two. But it doesn't make sense to delete him off the board completely.
To be more specific - can you look at last years draft at tell me which players selected in first 2 rounds possibly weren't on Bills board at all? Or on Patriots board for that matter? Or make the same thing with this year's top 60 players. For example, I remember you saying that Lindenbaum is very scheme specific guy. But do you think it really means he is not on some teams board? Like a team does not take him even in 4th round if he is somehow available?
I always thought that all teams have draft boards consisting of 200+ players.
Over the years many teams have said they take some players off their board completely. And many teams claim to only have about 150 boards on their board.
If there is a player at Kutztown State that has buzz as a possible late round WR and he gets a DUI in February....off the board.
Or, if there is a RB from Idaho that put up some big #s but then runs a 4.9 at his pro day....off the board.As far as players in the 1st or 2nd round, not many of those will be taken "off the board". Some may if there is no scheme fit.
If you run a defense that has no use for a Nose Tackle, why put one on your draft board? You would never draft him, so why waste hours and hours of your scouts time doing the reports and film necessary to even put them on your board.
150 players on your board should be plenty. IMO. But I know nothing
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6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
When I saw this, I thought it was a great question.
Comes from Joe Marino here:
It's at around 1:11:36.
He points out that in the 2015 season, the Panthers went 15-1 and lost the Super Bowl, and then in the offseason they declined to re-sign Josh Norman, and Peanut Tillman retired, their two starting CBs.
In response, they started two rookie draft picks, their 2nd (James Bradberry) and 3rd (Daryl Worley) rounders.
Joe doesn't mention the results, which were not very good, but I'm sure he's aware of it. McDermott and Beane are too.
And while the replacement CBs sure did not have a good year, they were far from the only reason this team got a lot worse the next year.
Interestingly, when I went back to quickly look at that team, I found that the 2016 Panthers went 2-6 in one-score games. That sounds a bit familiar, doesn't it? And the next year they went 11-5.
To me, it raises some interesting questions. We're in a better spot than they were, with Tre White coming back. Would they not bring in a mid-level FA CB, a Haven or Rhodes or that type? Would they be comfortable starting one rookie, a 2nd rounder maybe and having a 3rd rounder keep the seat warm for a few weeks for Tre if he's not read? Or the 2nd rounder and Dane Jackson till Tre gets back?
They did a mock at the same link with Olave and Parham in the first two rounds, without this thought in mind, just doing their best picks.
So you are saying starting a 3rd round rookie corner might not give you good results?
And there is a possibility we do that? Yikes. Who can we trade for!
2 minutes ago, klos63 said:When do you think he will be 100% and when do most of us think he will be?
It seems fans think Tre White will be 100% on September 1st.
I wonder what the doctors think.
And, how much conditioning time does he need? If his knee just becomes 100% on August 15th, he ain't going to be 100% football ready by opening game.
Let's hear from the medical field about the timeline.
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6 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:
I've seen this guy ranked as the top TE in the draft by some analysts. He didn't test great but tape looks really good. Bills seem to be meeting with lots of TEs this year.
In my amateurish analysis, I am not that high on Isaiah Likely. I like Trey McBride, Cade Otton and Charlie Kolar better.
But Beane and the Boys see a lot more tape, in person scouting than I ever could, so they know best. And yes, they appear to be very interested in tight ends.
16 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:I just wish we got to see the board after the draft. It will never happen, but would be fun.
That is a cool idea.
How about you break into OBD early Sunday after the draft...they will be probably sleeping in late...and take pictures in the war room of the draft board. I will stand guard outside for you. Cool?
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On 4/5/2022 at 1:39 PM, njbuff said:
I wonder if the Bills are in on Kenneth Walker and Breece Hall?
We can all scream to the high heavens if we want either of these guys, but it's obviously most important what McBeane thinks of them.
Also remember that Singletary is a UFA next season and they may want their RB on the roster already going into next season.
So, how much of a priority is the RB position going into the 2022 draft?
It appears by Beane's actions, the Bills are looking at a number of RB prospects. Including Breece Hall. I really think it is to be prepared if one of the top guys falls to pick 57. If Beane thinks Ken Walker Jr is an upgrade to Motor, then I could see him drafting him.
But I don't see him forcing it. Singletary was half decent in December and January. If another player/position presents itself at pick 57 that is rated higher than the RB, Beane will go BPA.
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9 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
I saw an interesting mock draft today. It was from a website named Audacity, which may tell you something. Anyway, it had Buffalo picking Andrew Booth at 25, a choice many of us would be pretty content with. What made it interesting was Trayvon Walker slipping completely out of the first round. As most draft watchers know, Walker killed the combine, running a 4.5 40 as a 6'5" 272 defensive end. Most mocks now have him going in the top 10. A number of them have him going top 5, and I've even seen one projecting him as the #1 overall pick. He didn't have quite the production at Georgia that you might expect from those crazy elite combine numbers, but many observers think that was due more to the fact that Georgia had elite players all across their defensive front, and there were only so many opportunities Walker had to rack up stats.
So, in the unlikely event that Trayvon Walker is available at #25, would you forego a nice (relatively) safe pick like Andrew Booth at a position of need to take a guy who might be a top 5 player in the draft?
I think Trayvon Walker could be the #1 overall pick.
....let me know how I did in two weeks....
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5 minutes ago, NewEra said:
There’s a reason that we signed Howard. Doyle isn’t an option anymore. He was only an option because they screwed up by thinking Sweeney was a legit TE2. He couldn’t block…..so he was useless and inactive. TEs that can’t block are useless as TE2 imo. I don’t hate the player, I just don’t think he fits the role
I do wonder if Tommy Sweeney makes it to final cuts. If we draft a TE, the answer will be probably no. Of course, if OJ Howard sprains his ankle leaving Duffs and will miss a month, Sweeney may stick around.
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18 minutes ago, NewEra said:
He’s a terrible blocker from what I’ve seen. He’s more of a big WR imo.
Dulcich from UCLA is okay. Don't know enough about him to be enthused.
Depending on the round, I do like McBride, Cade Otton, and Charlie Kolar.
Tight ends are really hard to project to the NFL. Don't sleep on Cade Otton. "...He has some nastiness and tenacity to him in the run game..."
And IMO sometimes a smaller school Tight End, like Colorado State, can have more upside. They didn't have the coaching or weight room like an Alabama or Clemson kid.
I think CB, TE and RB are high on Beane's list....but he may only get 2 out of 3 early because of how the board falls and some players getting scooped before the Bills selection.
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19 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:
If BPA then it also fits a need. Teams who can create mismatches with a TE have been terrorizing the nfl playoffs for 10 years now!
Sneaky way to get another weapon on the field, and as a beast of a blocker his use is unlimited.
We also have a 10-15m $ question mark upcoming that we could use an insurance policy for.
Yep. Travis Kelce and Gronk have kicked our butt more than a few times. It is time we do that to other teams.
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1 hour ago, Mc1320 said:
Trade up for Stingley if he doesn’t go in the Top 10.
If we use all of our current draft picks, all of them will not make roster and practice squad.
When Beane moved up to get Tremaine Edmunds, we moved from 22 to 16. We had to give Baltimore our 65th pick.
So if you want to move up from 25 to say around 12, it is going to cost you...a lot. And no one wants our 6th and 7th round picks. They are fairly worthless in first round trades.
Not impossible to move up that high, but normally it is reserved for a QB or a Julio Jones.
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10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
One doesn't draft a slot corner in the 1st....or does one?
I love Dax Hill's ability to play all over the secondary.
Plus he could be one of your starting safeties in a year, or, two.
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1) Beane has traded up in the draft a number of times. Not necessarily in the 1st round, but in the draft in general.
So it is possible Beane does a trade up.
2) Obviously we traded up for Josh Allen, but Beane also traded up for Tremaine Edmunds that same year.
The Bills moved from 22 to 16 to select Tremaine Edmunds. so not a huge jump, but Beane had to give up pick 22, and pick 65 (which was the very first pick in the 3rd round which we got from trading Tyrod Taylor). The Bills got back a 5th from Baltimore.
3) Beane also moved up to get Cody Ford, Dawson Knox and I think Dion Dawkins.
I don't think there is any chance Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley are on the board past pick 12, so I don't think it makes sense to trade into the Top 10 to get one of them.
4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:We’ll supposedly this is a deep draft for WR and DE’s. We don’t really need an End at this point, and you can make the argument to take a mid round WR’s.
IMHO, CB if taken high enough could be a year 1 starter. Of the six mentioned above Gardner has experience
and talent as a zone CB. That places a nice blanket on the backend. We’ve already improved significantly on the front end.
It does appear that it is a deep draft for WR. Plus Beane is probably feeling confident he can find another Gab Davis in the middle rounds.
CB is the headscratcher. No free agent CB signing, so you have to think the draft is where he will get at least one.
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2 hours ago, Garrett Williams said:
I just watched the Clemson N.C. St. game, the Georgia game and the Boston College game. Booth looks like a spectacular upgrade over Dane Jackson, and I like Jackson. I did not read any of your guy's posts. Maybe there is something I'm missing. Great tackler and sticky defender in those games. I will go and read what you have to say. Go Bills!!
He had several nagging injuries in 2020 and then again during spring practice 2021. The coaches even got on him and said "the best ability is availability" entering the fall 2021 season.
Then he missed the combine workouts because of a quad injury.
And now he missed his pro day because of having to have a sports hernia operation.
Nothing is screaming run away, but it is something to dig down on. I am sure the Bills medical staff is looking into those college injuries.
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4 hours ago, aristocrat said:
what's the injury concern?
He missed the combine because of a quad injury. "Andrew Booth Jr. suffered a strained quad muscle while training for the 40-yard dash and will miss workouts at the combine"
Then he missed his pro day because of having a sports hernia surgery.
In college, he dealt with a lot of nagging injuries. He wasn't always available in practice or games in 2020, and that trend carried over into spring practice in 2021 because of nagging injuries and such. Clemson coaches have had a simple message for Andrew Booth Jr. in fall camp: "The best ability is availability."
IMO, teams just have to drill down more on those college injuries to find out if it is a concern. I am sure the Bills medical staff has looked hard at his medicals.
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18 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:
It’s that time of year. Lying Season. Be careful what you believe as the NFL draft looms. Because what you hear is not necessarily rooted in the truth.
No, we’re in full swing with another type of NFL gamesmanship. Misinformation and mixed signals rank right up there in the process with 40-yard dash times and three-cone drills.
“April should be known in the NFL as National Liars Month,” Gil Brandt, the Hall of Fame-bound, former personnel guru told USA Today Sports. “Everybody is trying to create a smokescreen, both ways.”
Lance Zierlein talks about that.
He bases his mock drafts, and he has been pretty good over the last 10-15 years, on team needs, team Cap situation, his knowledge of what a GM likes in a player and how he, Lance, evaluates the talent of the players. He mentioned he doesn't listen to the buzz for that reason. The buzz could be wrong.
Anyhow, for example, he has Travon Walker going #1 overall and the rest of the media, until now, have NOT had Travon Walker going #1.
It is interesting to read a mock from someone that is less of a hack than most....
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1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:
McDermott knows CB's and I have full faith that they will get the right guy if who they want is there at 25. Sounds like Gardner and Stingley are guaranteed to be gone and I've heard McDuffie considered next best
Lance Zierlein over the last decade has been one of the most accurate Mock Drafters. (No one is even close to 100%....but he is better than most)
He has Sauce Gardner at #4
Stingley at #9
and Trent McDuffie at #15I think it is a dream to think we can come close to any of those 3 guys. So it might come down to Elam, Booth and Kyler Gordon.
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Lance believes teams are slightly concerned about Booth's injuries, and sees him sliding a little and slipping to the 2nd round.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-athletic-football-show-a-show-about-the-nfl/id1528622068?i=1000557446314Interesting.
Lance has the Bills drafting CB Kaiir Elam, Florida at #25
(He has Kyler Gordon going at pick 31 to the Bengals)
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1 hour ago, Putin said:
Really that’s what this team needs right now is to use a premium pick on a TE ?
Don't think of it as a TE, but a pass catcher. Josh needs pass catchers. Tight ends, running backs out of the backfield, slot guys, plus your X & Y WRs.
Let's Go !
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2 hours ago, ganesh said:
I believe the Bills have given themselves a TWO year window (2022 and 2023 seasons) and they will retain all these high paying players. The purge will happen in 2024 season. In between, they have to figure out how to pay Edmunds, Knox, Gabe Davis, Edmunds, and Ed Oliver. Those four contracts will put pressure on them to cut at other positions...
I think they will trade Edmunds this draft to get some draft capital back.
Possibly. I wonder who they are focused on in the draft at LB. Maybe Chad Muma?
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7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
Move on from Von Miller? Seriously? Move on after a few off season weeks?
Who said anything about moving on from Von Miller? He is here for the next 3 years for sure. After that it is all about his health and performance. Hopefully he is still productive.
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46 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:
By an estimated 20 mil next year...and that estimate may be conservative. This year is the post-Covid, pre-new TV Contract, bottleneck year.
It will go up. Yes. But Josh's Cap jumps to $39 million and Von Miller's to about $20 million. You have to keep an eye on Cap all the time.
PS I know some fans always like to say "you can just restructure so and so's contract". That is just a temporary one time fix. Like taking a cash advance on your Visa to make your minimum payment on your MasterCard.
No reason to panic, but Brandon does need to plan how to balance the Cap in 2023 and 2024, and it starts with the draft this year.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with how they play this year in some of those cases.
- Edmunds - With the revamped DL this year, it could set Edmunds up for his best season yet. We have more speed, more beef, and better closers in front of him now, that always makes the MLBs job easier. So what he does this season will be interesting, does he step his game up or is it more of the same? And the bigger question too is if he does have his best season, what will that do to his price tag if they do want to resign him.
I don't know which way Beane is leaning for 2023 with regards to Edmunds.........however, if the dline is improved, we could probably get by with a good rookie then. At a much cheap price.
This draft is going to be interesting as hell. I feel Beane works really hard and will be prepared.
Lance Zierlein "I have CB Andrew Booth slipping out of the 1st round"
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I like Dax Hill. I like his 4.38 forty. We don't have that. And yes he can play some corner. Some nickel. Some slot.
But I like some other players better, but if they are gone I don't see Beane trading down so Dax Hill might be BPA. And I don't care what position he plays in 2022. Over the next 5 years he should be a nice piece to have in the secondary.
I would be cool if the Bills draft OL Trevor Penning at 25, if he is BPA, even though we don't need an OT.
I think I like Booth, but I keep hearing internet rumors that injuries are a concern going back to his 2019 and 2020 seasons. I need more details...which we don't get access it.
BPA at any position at 25. Except QB.