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The Colts werw, more likely than not, betting on the Giants and Broncos taking qbs. Its not clear that it will happen, and if it doesn't they would be silly not to float the idea of trading back.
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Smart. All GMs should go by consensus draft rankings...ALL THE TIME. I'd double down, and use the NFL.com rankings to fill my entire draft.
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Legend has it that it was not so much a game, as much as it was this exact play.
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4 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Ten years from now, there will still be Tyrod Taylor threads and they will still have the same level of anger.
Someone will program bots, for sure, or hire some shadow company from Russia.
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20 minutes ago, teef said:
This thread has become shockingly angry.
Welcome to Western New York.
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3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:
There you go assuming again.
And there you go with your "old faithful" retort of "oh, you have a different opinion, you clearly don't know anything".
Have a great day fella. You just keep being you!
Your different opinion is that a qb who was above average for this franchise was below average. And finding a qb who is above average isn't easy. Tyrod is arguably the best QB the franchise has had since Kelly, although arguments can be made for Bledsoe or Flutie during stretches (maybe Fitz, if you ignore his intermediate and deep accuracy problems).So, to keep complaining about him after he's gone is going to rub some the wrong way.
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10 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:
I didn't talk about throws Taylor MISSED instead was talking about the ones he was too conservative to actually THROW.
I know, you miss Taylor. I get it. But as a QB, he was (in his time here) a lower tier starting QB. As a QB he is mediocre. He's a heck of an athlete though.
Your irrational, tempermental nature would be cute if your qb evaluation skills were not so poor. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are unfamilliar with the parade of quarterbacks that this team has started over the last two decades, and that you lack the proper sample size to properly evaluate TT's performance from. There has always been a contingent of the fanbase irrationally dissatisfied with the qb play, and the same haters were calling for Jim Kelly's head, which many have conveniantly forgot.
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3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:
It's flawed...yet you don't know what my idea of average is. Very interesting counter point you have there.
If you think an average QB would have easily made most throws that Taylor missed, your clearly unfamlliar with the rest of the league and the performances of the majority of Quarterbacks who started last year. The point is not how good or great Taylor is, is how bad most other qbs are.
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27 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:
It's not literally true, but it's really not that far away.
For every turnover he didn't throw there was a play that even an average QB would have made that he left on the field.
You can cost your team in many other ways than just turnovers.
Your idea of an average QB is extremely flawed.
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I'm of the opinon that most of the high 'expert' opinions are little more than smoke and mirrors.
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44 minutes ago, Chemical said:
Not arguing any of that. I agree, I just laid out a very specific scenario i noticed the Bills in last season where Tyrod and/or the coaching staff were afraid to turn the ball over even when doing so wouldn't have hurt the team's chances any more than punting.
another example would be an end of half or game hail mary that's intercepted. If I was looking at a players stats and saw he threw 15 ints but then dug deeper and learned that more than half were end of half hail marys I would be less concerned.
Marino and Favre were like that, but both of them arguably lost alot of games as well.An interesting comparison is Dilfer, the only QB I can think of who won a superbowl and lost a job.
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1 hour ago, Chemical said:
I agree. I guess by overrated I was referring to the national media overrating Tyrod for not throwing ints. Also, the situation I mentioned where the int doesn't actually hurt the team at all. If a QB throws a pick on 3rd and 15 from the 50 yard line trying for the end zone and the other team gets the ball at the 10 it shows up the same as a pick on 1st and 10 from your own 20 on the stat sheet. I'm guessing some QBs have a tendency to throw "better" interceptions but i haven't looked into it.
Teams that turn the ball over are likely to lose though. And few would dispute that if you look at the history of the NFL. QB's who turn the ball over are alot are frequently benched, as well, so they don't get the chance to rack up numbers that a QB with lots of years and passing attempts will have. The stat may not mattet much over a career, or season, but over the course of a game its hard(if not impossible) to insist that it doesn't.
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Mike McCarthy is an awful coach, and there has been a string of bad GM's. They lack consistency on offense, and when you have the best QB in the league and can't be consistent with an offensive minded coach (that calls his own plays) your in trouble.
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5 minutes ago, billieve420 said:
Still think the Bills sold low on this trade. Time for Dorsey to return the favor so we can move up to 4.
Its tough to say. Most QB's with starter potential have (or had) day 2 grades if they are projected to need a year before starting. Alot of people had Pat at the top of round 2, right around where Dalton, Capernick, and Jimmy G went, so top 10 is still a bit high for a QB who needs a year, but the perspectives are changing. Today Dalton would have likely gone top 10, and maybe Jimmy G as well.
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6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Yes, I agree with much of this, but one has to hope the current regime can develop a qb or there is little room for optimism.
Or they luck into a guy that doesn't need much in terms of development. Rosen might not have as a high of a ceiling as other prospects, but he looks like a hard prospect to screw up. If you can keep him healthy.
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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:
I argued for Mahomes a lot and Watson some last year. Just increases the pressure to get a franchise qb in this draft. I really doubt Mahomes is going to fail, but you need both he and Watson to turn out poor to mediocre for passing on them not to be a factor in judging the acumen of the present regime, though Whaley's status and the flux of new folk are perhaps mitigating factors as well.
Scheme and coaching also matter. I'm a big Mahomes fan, but I don't see him fitting in well with the current system/coaching staff. Kansas City has him in a better position to succeed, as Andy Reid has developed similar QB's. Like Watson, he is likely to run into turnover issues, and our coaches clearly don't like that at all. It all really starts with the Pegula's and the kind of organization that they are putting in place - when you keep hiring defensive minded coaches, your not placing much of a priority on developing a QB (Jeff Fisher failed over and over again, for example). Clearly, the FO wants someone who does not have to be developed much (because they don't know how to develop someone, anyway). I'm not complaining about this, either. You need the right system in place to take a guy like pat at 10. Or else you can screw it up, easily. Which is what we did with EJ, by the way.
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1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:
Murphd6 i’m sorry to tell you this your going to be disappointed after this draft. We’re eother getting Josh Allen which I think is beans first choice or Mason Rudolph. So you better get used to the idea
I like Rudolph, sounds wonderful.
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3 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:
No I would not. He is not really a good fit with our coach or GM or City. Guy should be playing for a big city team. He will be frustrated and unhappy here. Small town USA is not for him and he turns me off with his attitude. I predict he will drop in this draft and will end up in Arizona
Not happening. He's ahead of Darnold on more than 1 board, and he's the most pro ready QB in the draft.
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4 hours ago, nucci said:
But why do think Beane is cocky when it comes to drafting?
Cockiness or just bad choices? It happens often. Picks don't work out all the time
Beane's purged the roster for cap space and extra picks in a weak draft year, so yeah, I think thats cocky. Clearly he thinks he's better than Wailey.
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20 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:
??? We'll see pal... I'll definitely will give you your respect if this is true
Yeah, I don't think they were looking for an upgrade to begin with. They were looking for a bridge QB who's contract would be cheaper, so they could develop an upgrade.
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27 minutes ago, nucci said:
Based on what.....don't all GMs have confidence in their ability to draft?
Based on the fact that not all drafts are equal. And sometimes GMs just get lucky with regard to need and talent available. Chip Kelly and Josh McDaniels (Tebow in the 1st) are both recent cases of cockiness gone wrong. And Ryan Grigson. (Trent Richardson for a 1st round pick) was a fool who was fortunate enough to have Luck sitting at 1, before he ruined the entire roster. Even the pats have missed alot lately, and Bill is seen as one of the best talent evaluators in the league.
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29 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
To double down on this the fact is even if we are running the ball at all and McCoy is healthy they only really have to cover KB because there is no one else except for the handful of games that our TE's show up. If we don't get a lead we are not going to throw for wins. Even if we somehow pull off moving up and getting a "franchise" QB, and god forbid we miss on that pick, the line is desimated and our OC has done nothing in the NFL to show he's capable other than be really really like-able for what that's worth. That's just the offense. On defense we lost the guy who while not spectacular was the QB of the front 7 and Preston Brown can be replaced but as of now hasn't been. Again it's much like the Talyor situation. Could we arguably do better? Sure. Will we? There's a good chance we don't. No telling if Star is any better than Dareous and if the D is any better. Sure the secondary should be alright. They were all right last year but that doesn't mean much when teams are running for 200 yards and mulitiple TD's on you every week. The whole "plan/process" seemed legit until the Jets beat us to the punch trading up into the top 5. Now without trading the farm we are not in the hunt for one of the top 4 QB's of which I only like about 2. I believe in two things. Talent and coaching. If you have those two things the law of averages will usually work itself in your favor. We have coaching on the defense but we currently lost a considerable amount of talent and it's arguable that Dareous was one move too many last year. On offense we've been on an absolute skid for 3 straight seasons. They have been hemorrhaging talent on offense. Double that with the losses of Roman and Lynn, say what you want they could do better than Dennison and most likely will leave Badoll in the dust also. So this is really only my first or second post in months. I don't want to B word. So I'll lurk and wait and hope that they pull out some magic and make everything roses but for now in my mind a couple offseasons ago we were a decent DC away from being a good team and now we are doing the same old switch a roo that we do every 4 to 5 years.
Yup. I'm worried that McBean is way to cocky with regards to his ability to find talent in the draft. They had success last year, but alot of scouts only have 15-18 players graded as first round talents this year. Why couldn't we trade up with the colts? The talent available at 22 is not that different than talent that will be available in the 40's or 50s. This draft isn't deep, to make matters worse.
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2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I expect a drop off in the offense's ability to move the ball and sustain drives. And that has as much to do with the supporting cast as the QB.
Absolutely, people can B word about Tyrod leaving passes on the field, and those complaints aren't innacurate. But without his running ability the Bills are going to be way easier to defend against, especially if their north of 30 starting RB goes down. Coordinators can double team Benjamin on passing downs or blitz against a weak line, while stacking 8 in the box against Shady on running downs. The Offense isn't going to match up well against average defenses, unless they hit it big on immediate help in the draft. Zay hasn't shown a consistent ability to move the chains, and who knows who will be throwing to him by the end of the year. And if the OLine is significantly weakened things could get ugly real quick, especially if they run into injuries. We have no depth, outside of the secondary. This is the reality.
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11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I expect a drop off in the offense's ability to move the ball and sustain drives. And that has as much to do with the supporting cast as the QB.
AJ is going to face alot of pressure, and Tyrod arguably made the Oline look a lot better than it was. He's not in a good position at all. I would not be surprised if we started 3 qbs next year. And the D will be too good for garbage time stat padding. They are going to run, alot. They have to.
Beane cost us the 3rd overall pick. JMO
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And with some teams only identifying 15 first rounders and lots of depth in round 2, 21 and 22 were not worth that much. Every year is different, sometimes there is pro bowl projected talent in the 20's, this year there isn't.
Also, we could still get Rosen, maybe at 12.