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    JA - most TDs per touch in NFL history

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    6 minutes ago, folz said:


     

     

    I'm not sure how the original Twitter/X poster came up with his stats. I went to check on turnovers (per rajinka's post) and decided to look at TDs as well, but in a slightly different format. I did a TD per how many touches. After doing that (including passing/rushing attempts and receiving targets---all touches), I came out with Aaron Rodgers still being slightly ahead of Josh---if my numbers are correct (no doubt though that Josh will probably take the lead early this upcoming season). Bradshaw and Young also got a slight bump up on my TD list for whatever reason.

     

    Doc Brown mentioned Drew Brees, and Figster mentioned Kurt Warner, so I looked up those guys too, as well as Tom Brady. Brees came in at 18.5, Brady at 18.8, and Warner at 20.1 on my TD/Touch list. Just FYI.

     

    Anyhow, here is what I came up with for Turnovers and TDs per touch for the 8 players in the original post.

     

    Player                                Turnovers Per Touch                           Player                                   Touchdowns Per Touch

    Terry Bradshaw*    (TO every) 14.8 (touches)                      Aaron Rodgers            (TD every) 16.71 (touches)

    Steve Young*                            27.8                                       Josh Allen                                      16.75

    Tony Romo                                31.8                                       Peyton Manning                             17.6

    Peyton Manning                       36.6                                       Steve Young                                   17.7

    Josh Allen                                39.9                                       Terry Bradshaw                              17.8

    Lamar Jackson                         48.0                                       Patrick Mahomes                           17.8

    Patrick Mahomes                      53.0                                       Tony Romo                                     18.1

    Aaron Rodgers                          57.3                                        Lamar Jackson                              18.1

     

    It really shows you how good Aaron Rodgers has been to be top of the TD list and bottom of the turnover list (surprising that has equated to only one Super Bowl appearance in 20 seasons). And on that note, it's interesting that 5 of those 8 QBs have a combined 2 SB appearances (as starting QBs), while the other 3 QBs have appeared in 13 combined Super Bowls...kind of shows that it is still a team game and how hard it is to actually reach a Super Bowl.

     

     

    [*For Bradshaw and Young (only), I could not find separate fumbles vs. fumbles lost lists. Not sure when the NFL started differentiating between a fumble and a lost fumble. So, their turnover/touch numbers may be better than they appear above (I assume back in the day a fumble was a fumble no matter who recovered it). However, if I include all of Josh's fumbles and not just lost fumbles (and he had a lot of fumbles that the Bills recovered), his number is still better than both of those older players. So the two players in question probably have slightly better numbers than are shown, but it wouldn't really affect their ranking. For all other QBs, I used fumbles lost stats, not total fumbles...because a recovered fumble is not a turnover.]

    you probably didnt include playoffs

    Is Ed Oliver still on the team by September?

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    2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

     

    Donald and Oliver have similar get off, but Donalds power, footwork, and specifically his hands are just next level.  

    Aaron Donald doesn't really have a comp tbh

     

    he had all the moves but could also just decide to ragdoll his man straight thru his chest. insane power

     

    Oliver has a quick first step but if you get hands on him he kind of just starts churning laterally in 2nd gear

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    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    3 hours ago, FireChans said:

    Yeah the SB was the perfect storm. 
     

    The Eagles front played the game of their lives and Mahomes/Reid got completely flustered. 
     

    It’s not really dissimilar to the Bills performance vs the Bengals in the playoffs. Just one of those days where nothing goes right.

    Eh it wasn't that similar

     

    Mahomes threw them out of the game. Hurts wasn't exactly lighting it up in the first half

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    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

    I agree but for the sake of slowing down a pass rush running more the 3 times in a half will help your QB more than hurt.  Part of our problem pass rushing is that we play so light in the box that our Dline comes off the line looking for the run and never gets to the QB.  When we run on teams it makes Allen's job easier.

    Right

    The guy I responded to originally was asking why our dline doesn't get after the QB like the Eagles did in the SB...as you say different responsibilities make for different outcomes defensively

     

    A simple way of saying it would be that (and granted I don't watch a ton of the Eagles so this is strictly a Super Bowl observation) they used their pass rush to contain the Chiefs downfield whereas we tend to do the opposite and rely primarily on coverage to dictate/muddy up reads

     

    fundamentally different approaches (again one game sample)

    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

      I think running the ball is a key contributor to Allen turning the ball over less and not running the ball certainly didn't do Mahommes any favors vs the Eagles.  I'm not looking it up but I think they only gave the RB's 3 carries the whole first half so the Eagles just came after Mahommes and he made mistakes.

    i mean inasmuch as running the ball means Allen by definition can't throw a pick on that play then yes, I agree runs tend to correlate w QBs turning the ball over less. But I will basically never agree that taking the ball out of Allen/Mahomes hands in service of preventing turnovers is a good concept offensively

    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

    I have concerns that the talent needs for McD's scheme to stop the league's top offenses when it matters are unrealistic.  We've tried a lot of different combos of players and DCs but the song remains the same.  No answers in January and they give up points and yards at a historic rate.

    heck forget stopping id settle for marginally disrupt

    Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

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    7 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

    Anyone who states "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" instantly loses any credibility.  That is not the definition of insanity, it is a quote that gets erroneously credited to Einstein.  Do people that say this honestly believe that is the definition of insanity?!

     

    * Sorry to go off topic, but that is huge pet peeve of mine. 

     

    ** &%@? the eagles and their uninformed fans! 

    i think the real definition of insanity is arguing about the real definition of insanity

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    McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

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    1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

    If you get a similar result next postseason where the defense shrinks against the Chiefs/Ravens/Bengals and the offense keeps it close again than I think it's time to move on from McDermott.  A six year sample size is enough.  You just can't keep banging your head against the wall.  I'd prefer just to promote Joe Brady to head coach to hopefully keep most of the staff together.  A lot can happen in a year though.

     

    However, there's this problem...........  Which is why Terry would never do it so this 24 page thread is pretty much useless.

     

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    Bills/Ravens/Eagles Super Bowl Favorites

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    1 hour ago, MJS said:

    It seems the entire NFL gives the Bills crap for not being able to get past the Chiefs, but they still tout Jackson and the Ravens as superbowl contenders every year when they have done far, far less than the Bills in the post season.

    Define far far less

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    McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

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    6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    I suppose that’s true.

     

    But even still, after 2018, I don’t think was ever a chance that we have more or equal SB appearances to KC. Maybe something like KC has 2 rings and we have 1? 
     

    I just kinda look at the SB matchups outside of KC. I don’t know if we are beating that 2020 Bucs team or that 2023 Niners team. Maybe we beat the 2022 Eagles. I don’t think we are beating the 2024 Eagles.

     

    I guess the point is, even if we ended KCs season 40% of the time, are we convinced we win the AFCCGs or SBs they won? Or that they lost?

    I think we could have won at least one of the SBs they won and 50/50 on one of the ones they lost

     

     

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    McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

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    1 minute ago, FireChans said:

    I don’t know if I’d go that far. 
     

    Mahomes had such a great roster and coaching advantage from the jump. 
     

    Even if you play the “what if” game about getting a new HC in 2022 or in 2023 or even back in 2017, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a coach who could hold his own vs Reid in the postseason consistently. And the further you go back, the less chance Allen is who he is today for the Buffalo Bills.

     

    I don’t think there’s any reality that like Daboll (not saying you’d want him, but whatever HC candidate you like) is our HC from 22 on and we are beating the Chiefs consistently in the playoffs. Or even .500. Shanny or McVay weren’t available but I think even if they were, the scoreboard would be heavily tilted to KC imo. 

     

    Just really crappy luck. Curse of Bambino esque.

    You don't need to beat them consistently in the playoffs is the point. Just hold serve and we have simultaneously improved our chances and ended their season at least 40% of the time. 

    McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

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    18 hours ago, FireChans said:

    Are you under the impression I have wanted McDermott fired for a decade? I thought he did well in 2023. I engaged in maybe pursuing BB as the only active coach that I would take over McD after the 2023 season on that cycle, but that was it.

     

    I said it wasn't McD's fault he had AJ Klein out there to cover Kelce. 

     

    However, in 2024, his defense was still mediocre and our season still ended at the hands of KC after an MVP year by our QB, for the fourth time, and that was the final straw. 

     

    I was willing to change my view given new information, and I did. That doesn't make me inflexible or a hater.

     

    I'm hopeful that he will be fired if he goes 0-5 vs KC because to me its criminal to run it back for a 6th straight time, but ultimately, he probably won't lose his job until its far too late. I've made my peace with that. 

    It's already too late

     

    We'd have been right there w the Chiefs in terms of success. I'm convinced of it.

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