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2 hours ago, SoTier said:
I don't think so. I agree WideNine that McConnell won't run again, and I think he wants the info aired about the Republican lawmakers who assisted the insurrectionists. He wants to rid the GOP of not only of Trump but he also wants to cleanse the party of Trumpists. He wants that to be his legacy. IMO, McConnell will vote guilty in the trial, and if he waits until the two new Democratic Senators from Georgia, only 16 other GOP Senators will need to join him to convict Trump.
McConnel is smart.
He knows they have to purge Trumpism from their ranks or face total political annihilation without Trump on the ticket in future elections.
In two years, with Trump out of office and the GOP in a full fledged civil war between RINOs and radical MAGA supporters, the GOP is going to get destroyed at the polls, worse than they did two years ago.
Trump and Trumpism may very well have destroyed the Republican Party. They either move to the right on the fringes of fascism and alienate any moderate GOP voters in suburban areas, or purge the party and move back towards the centre, where they can continue to fight to maintain control of the Senate and House with a more moderate platform.
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4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Which people?
The treasonous ones who tried to overthrow the government after a free and fair election.
1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:The OP to his credit is looking for common ground, asking for things all can agree upon. To the shame of many who have posted, rather than engaging in the spirit of such, you hijack the thread to continue denigrating the other side.
Neither side of the political spectrum has all the answers. We should however be able to agree of some basics. I listed several previously. How about focusing on that vs. negativity?
Common ground would be great. But it's never going to happen.
The US feels like it's at the cusp of a civil war. Almost half of the country completely despises the other half with some people in the middle who don't really care either way.
The US has become unbelievably polarized, and people in dense urban areas have next to nothing in common culturally, socially or philosophically with people who live in rural areas.I honestly think the US is essentially a failed state at this point. The ideas that America was founded on were great, but far too much power was ultimately given to the Executive Branch and things have really gotten out of control.
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22 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Timothy McVeigh was executed. It less of a slap on the wrist, more of toxic cocktail that caused his bodily functions to cease. You probably knew this at one time?
Hopefully similar things happen to the people who tried to overthrow the federal government last week.
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1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:
The best analogy for the let’s just move on people I’ve seen was after Timothy McVeighs bombing, did we all say well let’s let him be and let’s all move on!No, it was find the people responsible, put them in jail.
This is how the justice system has always worked.
Throw the book at the person if they're black or brown.
Slap on the wrist if they're a white "Christian".
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1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:
After they fixed what they broke and faced any legal consequences, I would certainly try. But this thread isn't about that. It's about finding things that everyone, regardless of party or race or gender or anything, can agree on and build from there.
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After all the bad actors wind up incarcerated and we see who is left, we can discuss coming together.
Trump's slogan for years has been you don't have a nation without laws. That applies here.They don't get to have attempted to overthrow the government without hundreds of people winding up in federal prisons for the foreseeable future.
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1 hour ago, Motorin' said:
I think Trump is always very careful about is words. No, he never said break into the Capitol and violently bring the certification to a halt. If he had, that would have been much more than inciting a riot. That would have ben an act of sedition.
What he did was the political equivalent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowed theater. The person yelling fire could argue that they didn't tell anyone to trample each other to death as they freaked out to evacuate... But you can't incite a riot by yelling Fire in a crowed theater, that's how people die.
Trump set the conditions of the riot by organizing the event and whipping the crowd into a frenzy, and apparently Don Jr. was worse. Giuliani urged "Trial by Combat." But the inciting of a riot didn't stop there.
As the crowds were breaching the Capitol Trump tweeted out "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" As they were breaking down the doors on live TV, that is what he told them.
And the Trump mob that had been told over and over that Pence was going to change the results of the election start chanting "Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence,"
while they are breaking into the chamber that Mike Pence is in.
Please watch this review that has some of the most comprehensive video of what happened, and if you still want to hold that that Trump holds no responsibility for inciting these actions, then at least you've seen the whole picture and have come to that conclusion:
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752
It's like a mob boss telling a soldier to go see a guy and take care of it.
Everyone with a brain in their head knows what this means.
This was no different.
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1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:
Doesn't mean they don't agree with a lot of other points in this thread.
The things we agree on don't matter if they can't accept reality.
Imagine someone broke into your house and trashed your home.
Would you be willing to "move on" and not hold them accountable because you have a few things in common?
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20 hours ago, SectionC3 said:
I gotta stick to my point about the Capitol being in a class by itself. It's not a neighborhood in Philly or Portland or Seattle or wherever. It is the seat of the first branch of government. That's what makes this different. It's not an attack on a street, a neighborhood, or even a city. It's an attack on what literally is the image of our government and our democracy. That's why it has to be dealt with harshly, regardless of who pays the price--MAGA, leftist, somebody who just got caught up in the moment, whatever. The nature of the attack compels a significant consequence.
Exactly.
There's a difference between someone walking out their front door and rioting in their own neighbourhood and people from all across the country, being called to Washington D.C. on a bunch of lies to try and overthrow the government.
Both are terrible, but one is worse. One is treason.
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23 hours ago, Tenhigh said:
I don't think this is true at all. I bet if you read this whole thread, and then discussed the points of common ground we identified with one of the people at the capital you would probably find out that they agree on very many of them.
Really?
They can't even accept that Trump lost the election.
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7 hours ago, ALF said:
Trump privately blamed ‘Antifa people’ for storming US Capitol
Trump made the remark in a 30-minute-plus phone call on Monday morning with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Axios reported, citing a White House official and another source familiar with the call.
However, McCarthy told Trump in the call, which according to Axios was tense and aggressive at times, “It’s not Antifa, it’s MAGA [supporters of Trump]. I know. I was there.”
if Trump really believes that , good grief
Donald Trump belongs in a padded room undergoing extensive psych evaluations.
He's completely insane and has entirely lost touch with reality. He hasn't been living in the real world for about 6 months now.
1 hour ago, BillStime said:These people need to be arrested and treated the same as any jihadist taken off a battlefield in Iraq or Afghanistan over the past 15 years.
They're all completely insane. Radicalized by four years of Donald Trump's lies and deception.
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There's no common ground to be found between the average person and those who were willing to try and overthrow the government on a bunch of lies for a want to be tyrant.
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The country would be in a state of emergency if these protesters were brown or black.
Trump has radicalized tens of thousands, if not millions of people. The only reason no one cares is because these terrorists are white.
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Their fans believe Belichick can turn anyone into a good QB.
They're about to find out that's not even remotely true.
They'll continue to be well coached, and their defense will improve next year when they get a bunch of players back off their COVID list, but their offense is a disaster right now with no building blocks at QB or WR currently on the roster, and the odds of finding those things in free agency will be incredibly difficult.
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The Bills are an elite NFL team that will be set up for sustained success for the coming years as a top NFL franchise.
We'll have our QB locked up after his extension, receivers are locked up, decent offensive line and running backs on rookie deals, and we can essentially just allocated all our draft resources into keeping the defense fresh with young prospects.The Bills and Chiefs look set to dominate the AFC for years to come. Could develop into a great rivalry similar to Brady and Manning from 2000 to 2010.
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He gets at least a half to break Bledsoe's single season passing yards record.
After that you can sit him down in the second half and let Barkley ruin the Dolphins playoff hopes.
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Having a tight end who can consistently get open, like Knox often is is an asset.
I don't really care if he drops some passes. He's still a young player who was barely utilized in college.
The glass is half full view is that he's almost always open, which is rare for a tight end in the NFL these days.
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59 minutes ago, TBBills said:
Fox news was losing viewers when they tried to stop lying.
At this point it's just insane right wing propaganda, stoking peoples fears with conspiracy theories.
The fact that so many people believe this garbage is incredibly sad.
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1 hour ago, BillStime said:
Delusional
These people are mentally ill.
They live in a fantasy world where logic and reason don't apply. Just making things up and pretending they're true.
The fact that Fox News broadcasts this garbage is beyond pathetic.
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10 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Last year? Lol. Let’s pull up the Josh Allen draft night thread. Talk about a hater. You were downright embarrassing with your predictions
Go ahead. You're right.
I was wrong. Very, very, wrong.
5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:His "progress" coming coming off a 2019 in which his trajectory was evident is expected. Maybe not quite to this degree, but it wasnt a stretch for plenty of people around here that he'd be a top ten qb
you didnt see it. thats on you.
I don't think there's any history of a guy being bottom 5 in the league as a passer becoming top 5 in the league as a passer over the course of one offseason.
His development reading the field and improving his accuracy has been historic. I can't think of anyone off hand who jumped so much from their 2nd to 3rd season.
Absolutely incredible work by Josh and whoever has been working with him on improving his skills as a passer.
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I was an enormous "Josh Hater" last year.
Surprised anyone would be left. Josh is easily on of the top 5 QBs in the NFL this year and if the league did a redraft of all players he'd probably be picked second behind Patrick Mahomes.
His "turnaround" from last year has been unbelievable. His one of the most entertaining QBs in the NFL and you feel he's still got room to get better.
Outside of the offensive line which can always use retooling, the offense looks absolutely set for the next 3+ years. If we can improve our pass rush and really build a defense that can rush the passer the Bills will be yearly Super Bowl contenders.
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Over the last week as the belief that legally cast votes would be overturned because they hurt MAGA voters' feelings, the calls for violence seem to have escalated.
It's still over 5 weeks till Trump needs to leave. In a month, with how deranged MAGA supporters are, I really worry things might escalate further as more and more of the cult's brain trust continue calling for violence.
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On 7/8/2020 at 4:04 PM, SoCal Deek said:
This sort of thinking always cracks me up. "I don't like the outcome, and don't understand the process so we need to change the way we do things." One of the reasons for the "EC" was exactly for the thing you're worried about. These recent results are proof that it works, NOT that it doesn't work.
I don't agree.
The US Government at the Federal level is set up to overwhelmingly give power to small states with small populations at the expense of big states with big populations.It's the only level of government where the popular vote doesn't automatically win.
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On 12/12/2020 at 10:19 AM, Kemp said:
In the end he'll leave because he doesn't want images of himself being led away in handcuffs, but only after he resigns and gets a pardon from President Pence.
There's a chance he tries to pardon himself. I hope he does because that might set off a chain of reactions that would be fun to watch.
I don't care that he's played a role in dismantling the Republican Party by exposing them as seditionists, but the damage to the country I do mind.
He would rather destroy America than admit he lost. He is without question the single worst human being to ever hold office in the United States.
The scariest part is that he has brought to light just how many people are some combination of evil and stupid.I think Trump is gripping to power because he knows there are indictments waiting for him and his children at the Southern District of NY for tax, wire and mail fraud.
He's a wounded animal, and I wouldn't rule out him trying to incite actual violence if he thinks it will help him maintain power and avoid jail.
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24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:
And so it ends.
Will anyone tell Trump it's over?
Today's 7-2 decision slapping down the State of Texas lawsuit was really a 9-0 unanimous decision. The two who added their own two-line opinions -- Alito and Thomas (NOT any of Trump appointees; thank you for proving him wrong when he thought you'd be political hacks) simply noted that they would have dismissed the case on different grounds.
There is nowhere else for Trump to go now except to the state legislatures and the Congress itself. That would be a pure political power play, not even wrapped in the guise of a legal proceeding. As many have said, it would also be the final norm to be broken by a President who seemingly relishes the opportunity to break norms.
Being a conservative used to mean that one appreciated and defended norms ...
Trump isn't a conservative.
He's a fascist.
He doesn't believe in Democracy, and he's not hiding it anymore.
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Saturday Night 1/15 Weather Thread
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What are the rules for lighting fires in the official parking lots?
Our group is planning to tailgate, but we're going to need heat.
Can you burn wood in a bbq, barrel, or even on the ground?