KennyDavisEyes
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16 minutes ago, K-9 said:
That’s all well and good that non-immunized people don’t GAFF, but that doesn’t change the reality that they are at higher risk to contract and spread the virus.
And if they are a key player(s) or manage to spread an infection to a key player(s), then they are a detriment to team success.
I have to laugh at your last sentence. The only people I see playing the victim card are those that equate adherence to sound public health policy (proven to work time and time again thoughout history, btw) to losing their “freedom.”
The unafraid are always more free than the petrified.
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Because everyone (in this magnificent country) has had the opportunity to exercise their free will.
We’re so deep into the show that that fat mama is currently taking her off-stage-smoke-break while the crowd yells and chants for the encore.
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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
How many people have to die from this virus for you to understand the concept of vaccinations? Apparently over 600k in the US and millions worldwide aren’t enough. Give us a number of deaths beyond which you’d get concerned.
Give me the percentage of guaranteed survival one needs when you walking out of the door in the morning?
It ain’t ever gonna be 100% - that’s the way it is and the way it’s always been.
And obsessing over unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease and obsessing over the lamentable need to control other free-life-forms will put you in a grave much sooner than Covid will.
Thats a stone cold lock.
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1 minute ago, K-9 said:
You might prefer no Impingement of players’ activities, but the reality is that non-immunized players are at higher risk than immunized players, so the safety protocols need to be followed.
And the ball game might indeed be over for non-immunized players who refuse to follow safety protocols getting infected or infecting other non-immunized players who then end up missing time and aren’t available to the team as a result. Is behavior that has the potential to weaken the team thus negatively impacting its chances of winning, the smart play? Really?
The reality is that non-immunized ppl don’t GAFF that they are “at higher risk.”
Quit making victims out of ppl that aren’t.
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4 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:
That’s not gonna happen. Protocols will be in place. Just like Cole had to abide by in college. Remember in order to play college ball these players face mandatory vaccination. The NFL has picked vaccinations or protocols.
It’s not apples to apples comparison.
You’re talking about vaccines that have been around decades vs this rigged up thing.
Ppl aren’t going to follow the nanny state protocols whenever and wherever they can, so buckle up.
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2 minutes ago, Reader said:
I appreciate the respectful discourse. Based on how you see it, would you prefer for the NFL/NFLPA to get rid of the option of allowing players to not get vaccinated, but in turn avoid certain activities vaccinated players are privy to?
I would prefer that players can get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.
And I would prefer that no player’s activities were impinged whatsoever.
Ppl who want the vaccine have it. People who don’t, don’t. That’s it. Ball game over. Fat Lady is singing.
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1 minute ago, HalftimeAdjustment said:
Either you win the lottery or you don't.
Either you win at roulette or you don't.
Those two things do not have the same odds... but in both cases, you don't know in advance. In both cases, if you play more times, the chance of a win is increased.
Same principle applies here. The vaccine should lower my odds of getting serious COVID. Still... I would prefer to be exposed fewer times. The less cases that are in the population, the less likely I will be exposed.
We may see serious cases continue to decline which is good for everyone, juat based on immunity levels so far (both natural and vaccine induced). However, if more people chose to get vaccinated, it is more likely that serious cases will continue to decline faster.
Unfortunately we are at the point where vaccination levels will plateau. It is what it is.
So the rest of your life, even though you have a vaccine that works… you are going to be a worry-wort and make ppl that aren’t scared relinquish their right to the pursuit of happiness because of your obsessive compulsive approach to a disease that’s survival rate is in the 98th percentile.
Sounds like a waste of energy and a surplus of stress.
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10 minutes ago, QCity said:
The "upset" people are the unvaccinated ones that want to do whatever they want. This thread is about an unvaccinated player that is refusing to comply to Covid protocols. If he would have just followed the rules and kept his mouth shut, we wouldn't be discussing it. But he can't do that because he's a drama queen and loves the attention. If you don't wan to get your shots, I don't have an issue with that - but don't whine and cry if you aren't allowed into the stadium this year.
You do realize, of course, that it’s his job. He’s the one that actually plays the game of football and has to live the punitive NFL Covid protocols.
So he’s speaking out about something he disagrees that effects his day to day… he’s confronting his Union representation and the NFL in a public way. Again - that is his Union, his employer, his day-to-day. If he wants to call them out for their helicopter mom protocols then he can and should. That’s what good and honest ppl, that care about the truth, do.
And exactly who are the church-dance-level restrictions protecting?
Teammates and coaches and organizational staff that wanted the vaccine have it. If the medicine works, then it works for the person it is injected to.
Teammates and coaches and organizational staff that haven’t been vaccinated have chosen not to be vaccinated.
It’s time to live and let live and let go of your imaginary control over what other homosapiens do.
19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:If the vaccines were perfect, 100% protective, and if everyone could be vaccinated, why indeed? You'd be Right On. But they're not. ~80-88% against the new variant Delta.
So there's an equation - you plug in fraction immune, fractional vaccine effectiveness, Ro, and calculate how many immune people are needed before disease transmission chains are more likely to break than propegate.
Vaccinated people are infection chain-breakers. Unvaccinated, unimmune people are transmitters. You impact me and mine. Maybe not directly. Maybe you attend church with my mom's hairdresser or the unvaccinated nurse's aide who works at my FIL nursing home. You're infected asymptomatically, you infect them.
Then my vaccinated mom or FIL have 12-20% chance of getting infected. Since they have underlying conditions and maybe their vaccination didn't "take", they might still get very sick.
We hear "let's get back to normal - but I'm not getting vaccinated, if you're afraid, YOU stay home!". That's seen as shirking your Individual Part to End a Societal Problem. It's talking about YOU getting back to normal, avoiding inconvenience, and not caring about the transmission chains you might start.
That's why some feel resentment towards people who won't get vaccinated. Me, It Is What It Is.
No one is strapping people down and injecting them unwillingly.
The guy you're responding to said "The factual best way to end this pandemic is for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. Period. Look at the history of viral diseases that no longer threaten the population." He's correct, from epidemiology.
That doesn't mean we think it will happen in large numbers.
We understand at this point that many people won't get vaccinated. I'd like you at least understand in return why people who see vaccination as the best and fastest way to return to normal for EVERYONE, might resent people who choose to not get vaccinated. It's because we see them as impacting our lives.
If. your. medicine. works. then. it. works.
I implore you to let go!
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20 minutes ago, Reader said:
Are you honestly saying our only two options are physically forced vaccinations or essentially the opposite?
My assumption (based in common sense) is that most ppl who haven’t been vaccinated (in our magnificent USA) probably aren’t going to get it. Ever.
So, I’m saying, either pin ‘em down and jab em.
Or quit projecting your (not you in particular)….. but the overly-emotional-vaccine-fanboys need to quit projecting their fears onto others and live and let live.
10 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:I don't resent you, I'm just being honest. The shot is 90-95% effective, that means your choice does impact me and others who have had the shot because 14-21 million of us could still get sick. Your choice also impacts those that would get the shot but can't, people with cancer, medical conditions and the immuno compromised. So yes you can say I'm "fine risking others safety, and I will gladly risk their safety of others rather than getting a harmless shot." That's your choice, your freedom, but don't pretend that it only impacts you, your choice does impact others.
Either your medics works for you or it doesn’t.
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32 minutes ago, Capco said:
I want people to stop being obstinate, selfish know-it-alls. I want them to be willing to get vaccinated.
But if the government decided it was in the best interest of the welfare of its citizens to compel vaccinations, I would have no qualms about it. It shouldn't have to even get to that point in the first place though.
Cool w forced vaccines. Ah-mazin!
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9 minutes ago, Freak-O said:
The less people that are vaccinated the higher the risk of the virus mutating to something new that the current vaccines won't stop. It might also mutate to something worse. That's why people are upset.
Do you want the govt to corral ppl to the town square, strap them down, and inject them?
If not, then it’s best for the upset ppl to just let it go bc all the consternation and resentment only effects the individual suffering from those emotions.
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18 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:
What does this have to do with freedom of choice? I am free chose to be a Pats fan, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone here will rightly tell me that is a terrible, bad and destructive choice sure only to increase the collective evil and sadness of the universe. Not getting the vaccine for reasons other than valid medical reasons is exactly the same, but be a pats fan and don't get the vaccine, you are free to do so.
Because it’s not your life. Why resent them.
If the medicine you injected in your body works, then it works. Relax.
22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:No. The factual best way to end this pandemic is for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated. Period. Look at the history of viral diseases that no longer threaten the population.
You gonna be strapping ppl down in the town square and injecting them unwillingly? Cuz that’s what it’s gonna take.
Save your energy.
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17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Hi. Would you mind commenting on this observation with regard to getting back to normal without vaccine, please?
Specifically on this part:
Counties here in MO that had almost no Covid infections and were colored pale yellow or green a month ago now look like this (map below), spreading out from an initial cluster of 2 counties in the North and 1 in the South. They test wastewater streams here in MO and finding Delta (the variant originally from India). BTW, these are the counties where 70-80% of the population has made a rational and logical decision (I kid! I kid! It can be true, but these people are my rellies and friends and it usually isn't. THE FERRETS!) to not be vaccinated, despite early and high vaccine availability to them.
Since almost no place in MO has had mask mandates or any kind of restrictions, ever, when you see change like this charted, there is probably an explanation other than "fear mongering" and again, if the media went away and there was no sensational coverage, the hospitals would still be re-opening their covid wards and the doctors would still be reporting that the patients they hospitalize are 1) unvaccinated 2) younger.
By the way, we have a MO Covid guy on Facebook, just a private citizen, who collects publicly available Covid data independent of media or State or Federal gov't, and his data show the same thing, so it's not somehow media created.
Ppl that don’t want the vaccine don’t have to get it.
Their choice doesn’t make your medicine work. If what you injected in your body works then you’re good.
Why do you care so much what others do?
Do you want them corralled to the town square, strapped down, and injected?
If someone uses their free will to make a choice that you disagree with. It still doesn’t change the efficacy of your medicine.
You wanted it, you got it - Toyota!
Go live your life. Let others live theirs. And don’t resent them for their choice in a God-guaranteed-world of free will. That’s back to normal.
And you’ll feel a lot better.-
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4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Yep. Let’s get back to normal. Best way to do that is by vaccinations.
Sure, for ppl that want them.
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9 minutes ago, Process said:
Saying you aren't getting the vaccine because of potential blood clots or heart issues is basically saying they aren't getting the vaccine and have no valid reason or idea why.
This isn’t true. What if you have a recent infection and are young.
My wife was just in to get her birth control prescription updated.
Her Dr. said she didn’t see any need for her to get the vaccine bc she is young, healthy, and was infected in Dec.
The idea that there is no nuance here shows how much tunnel vision many many ppl (on the left) have about the freedom of choice that exists here.
At this point in time those that want the vaccine have it. Those that don’t don’t - for now let’s get back to normal and then let’s sit back and wait for the next thing the CCP has to offer the world.
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7 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:
Freedom of choice in a free country...
The horror!!
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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
It's a fair point that there are side effects to the vaccines. But rational, logical risk assessment involves asking questions like:
-are there side effects to the disease, including mild or asymptomatic cases of the disease?
-The answer is "yes, including in people of Cole Beasley's age group"
-Those side effects include blood clotting, myocarditis, and pulmonary effects
-what is the frequency of the side effects of the disease, relative to the side effects of the vaccine?
-Myocarditis was detected in college athletes diagnosed with covid-19 at 0.3%, or 300 per 100,000
-Myocarditis or pericarditis found in 5 of 789 pro athletes (multiple leagues) + for covid last season (incl. Sweeney). 634 per 100,000
(source: JAMA Cardiology, March issue)
-Myocarditis or pericarditis post-vaccination in 475 people under 30. At least 3.4 million people in that age group vaccinated (CDC covid vaccine data). That's an upper bound of 14 out of 100,000
Rational, logical risk assessment: At least 45x higher risk from covid-19 disease than from covid-19 vaccine.
-Similar assessment for blood clots - from Oxford, UK
In 500,000 COVID-19 patients, CVT (cerebral venous thrombosis) occurred in 3.9 out of 100,000 patients
In 480,000 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna), CVT occurred in 40 out of 100,000 patients, many under 30 y.o.
Rational, logical risk assessment: At least 10x higher risk of blood clotting from covid-19 disease than from covid-19 vaccine, including in <30
I appreciate your thoughtfulness
What about folks w antibodies? Many 20 & 30 somethings have already had the disease and have recovered.
Perhaps Cole & other Buffalo Bills got infected after the season.
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1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:
See this is what types do: list the risks (or, lol “side effects” are you serious) of one option without any comparison to the risks of the alternative. As if they don’t even exist.Yeah. Weighing risks. So dumb.
No one has ever done that before!
Cole went rogue!
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1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:
Doubling down I see. Have at it then we’re all sheep for listening to people who devote their careers to studying what we’re talking about.Not all the ppl who have devoted their careers to science believe that the vaccine is for everyone.
There are side effects:
Blood clotting
Myocarditis
In healthy 20 & 30 somethings.
Which category Cole just happens to fall in… Gee I wonder why he might be vaccine hesitant.
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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Can you give me some Lotto numbers? JK
Start w 10, 11, 17 and then go from there. 😉
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Just now, JoPoy88 said:
yeah Beasley’s worseTo sheep
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8 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
Hes a modern day Kaepernick.
Thank God he’s nothing like him.
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14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
If he's a close contact of someone who tests positive, or he himself tests positive, it's not his choice.
He won’t miss a game.
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17 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Taking one against the team. If you can't play because of a political decision to break league rules, that's not acting in the team's best interests. It's prioritizing your own.
He won’t miss a game.
Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire
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