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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Obviously you'll ideally have them on a one year deal and pay them top backup money. The Saints paid Bridgewater 7.5 million last year and it worked out just fine for them when Brees got injured. The Steelers pry wish they had that much foresight.
I wouldn't mind paying top money for a backup on a one year deal because Josh Allen is still a wildcard in my mind and may hold this talented team back if he regresses like Trubisky did..or...his style of play makes him more prone to injury and if that happens are season is basically over with only having Barkley and some practice squad QB on our roster. That may have been okay last year as our roster on the offensive side of the ball wasn't good enough to compete with the top teams in the AFC anyways. However, with the addition of Diggs and a likely upgrade at RB we should be able to compete with a borderline starting quality QB as our backup if we can find one.
This team, with another quality RB, would be able to go at least .500 with Dalton. If allen goes down and we're 5-2, that's what we'd need.
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3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
So signing good veteran players is ok unless it's at QB? Would it hurt Josh's feelings? Best player should play. If Cam came in and beat him out (does anyone doubt that he would?) then he deserves to play. We should always be looking to improve at all positions. If Josh is the franchise QB then he should have no problem beating out a washed up Cam Newton right? Not sure why it should be any different than any other position/player.
Tom Brady would be the first to say he succeeded because he didn't take his spot for granted for one second. He knew if he didn't perform that Belichick would have no problem replacing him. They drafted QB's all the time, always looking to improve. Not sure why other teams feel the need to baby their QB and are scared to hurt their feelings. If a good player is available and he wants to come in on a prove it deal then why wouldn't we be looking to improve at all positions?
Cam wants no part of Buffalo and why would he?
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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:
This is a total kick to the nuts.I hate seeing a move happen that more than a few predicted months in advance, for minimal compensation, followed by a reasonable contract, and to have it be a competitor for the AFC is aggravating.
I hear you. I think I predicted this almost exactly happening.
Real bummer
edit: almost got the restructured contact too lol
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5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
To each his own, anything can happen in the playoffs. You don’t just look at teams on paper and decide who wins. I would have liked to see any additional teams/games regardless of who the QB was or how good their offense was
In a week where every sport is cancelled, we should be even more grateful that we will have more meaningful games.
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48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I feel pro sports should be different especially the NFL. I believe the NFL pension is based on years played.
So what’s the argument that Karlos Williams should get the same or higher pension than Fred Jackson?
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The Star Lotulelei fans would say this is a deal that is a win for both sides, and he’s only taking a paycut because of how awesome of a job McBeane think he’s doing.
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Pass on this dude.
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10 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
I didn't ignore any comparison? In your response to me, there was no phillips comparison.
Jordan Phillips was a decent player before he started playing next to Star. Just like Kawann Short was. Star leaves, his play falls off.. coincidence? hmmmmmmm
The bold makes me cringe. I'm not even responding to that.
Jordan Phillips’ play fell off without Star? Where is your crystal ball?
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2 minutes ago, GG said:
What are you talking about? The 25% market drop is the reflection of the expected earnings hit that the planned sequestrations and quarantines will have on economic activity. You can't have it both ways. If you are going to implement severe travel and work restrictions to prevent contagion, the economy will take a massive beating.
You have to halt commerce AND improve the stock market! God it’s so simple
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33 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
Levi Wallace is a corner, he doesn't open up holes for linebackers to make plays nor does he take pressure off of the guys next to him.
I can't tell if you're being a child with that statement or if you just don't understand football.
No, DB’s just cover long enough for the front 7 to make a play on the QB. Certainly no complementary football there!
Nice to see you ignored the Phillips comparison, white flag alert?
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3 hours ago, warrior9 said:
Tom Brady has done this and turned his salary in to guaranteed money a few times.. i'm pretty sure that's what they did with Star. I'm not sure he took a pay cut but took a restructured deal to count less against the cap. I could be wrong.
Either way, if you genuinely believe he is the worst FA signing of the last 5 years.... you have no watched Bills football. If contract, etc is included, Kroft is worse than Star tbh.
Brady took paycuts for different reasons than Star.
Kroft’s contract is easily escapable.
2 hours ago, warrior9 said:Explain this, please.
We have a pro-bowl second year LB. We have Jordan Phillips that benefited from him to the point we aren't even going to resign him. We had a top 3 defense in the NFL and he started.
He started for the best defense in the NFL when McDermott was in Carolina.... this guy gets so much hate for being a pretty darn good player at his position.
Maybe we should be paying JP and Levi $10M per because they also both started on a top 3 D.
3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:lmao @ driven back by single teams. Does he lose sometimes, of course. Every football player does.
This is now two top defenses Lotulelei is anchoring. This is now two marginal DTs who are going to get paid $$$ because of him (Short and Phillips).
So your argument is that Star is the Sammy Watkins decoy of DT’s??
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38 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Your evidence he isn’t playing well is ‘well they restructured his deal’. My opinion of his play comes from having watched him this season, extensively.
I also watched him this season. I watched the guy “eating up space” get driven back by single teams. Did he make some good plays? Sure. Did he have a decent amount of bad plays on tape? Absolutely.
Combine that with his bloated contract, which McBeane restructured, it sounds like me, McD, Beane, and Star all thought that taking a paycut was reasonable due to his performance.
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8 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
You can debate stats over who had a better year, but I'd bet 32 GMS would take Allen over Minshew even after their rookie years
I wouldn't walk into a season with Gardner Minshew as the starter if I wanted to keep my job. Thats JMO
Well of course. Josh has way more physical talent. There’s a reason he went 7 and not as a late round flyer.
But Minshew still had a better rookie year.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said:
They often do when they’re 30 or older, play an unheralded position, get another chunk of guaranteed money, like where they’re at, and value job security. Plus this offseason there are a bunch of good NTs (Hargrave, Reader, Pierce, etc) on the market which is rare. Star’s restructure was a win for both sides as it not only cuts his cap figure, but guarantees salary and insures he doesn’t have to compete with a saturated market. I’ll concede that Star is not a top 5 NT, so his initial FA contract was an overpay. However, I view that contract like buying a part for a SAAB.... You’ll have to over pay for a critical OEM part because the only alternative is something unreliable from the “pick and pull”.
That’s all fair, but a paycut doesn’t happen if Star and the Bills both feel like he’s living up to his contract. John Brown isn’t taking a paycut right now, for example.
48 minutes ago, Dopey said:
We know. We know. Still not even close to being the worst.
But it does fly in the face of “he’s the most important defensive player doing the most important job extremely well!” nonsense.
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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:
He also went 5-8 as a starter and posted sub 50% completion percentage in 3 games and sub 60% in 10 games
He might get better, but he is still super limited. His ceiling is not very high and if I was Jacksonville I'd either have a competition between him and Foles, or draft a QB fairly high. Minshew only gets you so far and If was building a team, Minshew would be not be a guy I was counting on to save my job
No. Minshew went 6-6 as a starter on a team Nick Foles couldn’t win a game on.
Or put it this way, Minshew went .500 on a team with a bottom 10 D, who was actively trading star players with a fractured locker room.
The competition was last year. Foles went 0-4. I agree about finding another body for a QB competition, a guy in the second or third would be right for that team. But Minshew is being severely underrated. You could EASILY make the argument he had a better rookie year than Josh did, and I love Josh. I’d still take Josh over Minshew going forward, but don’t sleep on him.
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11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
Have a look @Carolina's defense, particularly run defense, from when Lotulelei was there and when they decided to pay Short instead.
Or simply look at the Bills defense in the equivalent timeframe. Whether folks want to admit it or not Lotulelei is an important piece of the defense McDermott runs. He's been the most important part of the defensive line since they took over. If that's their biggest mistake they are batting 1.000.
11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:They hired him as HC not DC. I'm sure they were hoping he could do more than coach defense.
Regardless, there's no use in arguing with people who don't understand the position Lotulelei plays. I had it out w/multiple posters midseason who were adamant he would be benched or cut and that Phillips was the only guy worth playing, or that Peko would be able to step in and send Star to the bench lmao...and I maintained then and still do that the line relied more heavily on Lotulelei than anyone else. It's very obvious when you watch them in isolation.
You know they made him take a paycut, right? Like a guy who is living up to his contract and playing his role well DOESN’T get approached to take a paycut, right?
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26 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:
Again...reading comprehension.
I said he carries that team now. They were stronger when they had all those studs on defense (Wilson's deal played a part in losing them).
They have stayed relevant with Wilson and he gives you a shot. But Dak is no Wilson...make no mistake about that.
Wilson when he was on his rookie deal wasn’t Wilson now either.
You are using hindsight to bolster your argument.
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6 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:
Until they fire Doug Marrone and Caldwell
Minshew is a fun story, but he is Fitzpatrick, just younger
Doesn't have a strong arm. Gunslinger metality. Very smart. Limited starter. Jacksonville would be crazy to assume he is the guy
Minshew threw 6 INT’s last year.
I also question his arm strength but he’s already far surpassed Fitzy. He may be a high end backup, or a journeyman starter in the NFL, or a guy who starts on a team for 6 years and gets them into the playoffs a couple times, none would surprise me.
However, there is zero reason to think he can’t improve.
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1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:
My definition is just fine. Reading comprehension would have had you understand that I said that their line was bad for a few years after the deal which had them take a step back. They seem to have figured it out now, but they are not the same team as when they were a true threat to win it all.
Wilson carries them for the most part...something Dak can't do even with an all pro supporting cast.
You are clearly the type that wants to settle for the safe option and stick with what you know. I'm more of the all or nothing type.
It depends on what you're looking for from your franchise. I understand where your coming from...even if I don't subscribe to that philosophy.
The Seahawks obviously went for the safe option with Wilson, and uh, they haven’t done anything since. That’s nothing, right? Didn’t they fail by playing it safe?
FYI, Wilson did not carry his team when he had an All-Pro supporting cast either.
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3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:
You just made his case for him Einstein, it’s the talent at Minnesota that’s helping the Qb’s be successful and the lack of it hurting them in other teams....
Kirk was at least .500 on the deadskins. Keenum could barely win a game. Einstein.
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2 hours ago, BeastMaster said:
Actually, I was ok with Wilson getting paid because he proved he could win.
I did believe that it would hurt their roster and they wouldn't be as good, and that was true. His line was patchwork for a few years after and it hurt them.
Dallas will get weaker after a Dak deal and they weren't even a playoff team last season with a very soft schedule.
Dak has an argument to get a paid...I won't dispute that. What I dispute is whether it's a good move for the Cowboys, and I don't believe it will be.
Like anything else, time will tell
That's because your definition of good is wonky. The Seahawks haven't won since Russell Wilson got paid. In fact, they've gone 2-3 in the postseason (of course, one of those losses to the Boys), missed the playoffs one season.
Maybe the Seahawks should have traded Wilson, brought in Josh McCown and drafted Paxton Lynch. I can smell the success already,
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3 hours ago, BeastMaster said:
Always funny to read a triggered post that ends with condescending remarks to other posters.
Your idea of what is best for Dallas is no better than his idea. Fact is neither has been proven to be the formula to success, and I'd argue yours has history firmly against sticking with the guy that hasn't won squat and paid him top dollar, but that's neither here or there.
At least tearing it down will give them a shot at building the team and possibly finding a comparable if not better option down the road while the QB is not eating up a huge portion of cap space.
It'll be fun to re-visit this one in a year or two. My money is on Dallas being the same disappointment that they've been with most saying paying Dak was a mistake.
His idea of letting a franchise QB walk, signing Rivers (a guy who was let walk for being bad) and drafting a random day 2 QB isn’t clearly a worse option?
Okay bro. Show me where “in history” that works?
I bet you were a “don’t pay Russell Wilson” guy too.
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5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
Very different than the Wilson situation in that Wilson had already won a Super Bowl when he got his deal. You can't not pay your QB if he wins a Super Bowl. Dak, for all his regular season accomplishments, has won exactly one more playoff game than our guy has. That's why it's not completely crazy to suggest the Cowboys might have other options, even though they really don't.
If you remember the time, it wasn’t that different at all. There were lots of prognosticators saying Russell Wilson only won with a stacked roster and didn’t deserve to be paid like Aaron Rodgers for it. Those people now have retreated back under the floor boards, but they existed and it was a hot TBD debate.
Cam to be released today
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Cam was better than average for much of his career and was phenomenal in 2015. He was tied for 2nd in passing TD's on very good efficiency, added an extra 10 TDs rushing, and 600 yards on the ground, and lead the #1 offense in points scored, and 10th in yards, with Greg Olsen at TE as his #1 (who is a great TE). His WR group consisted of Tedd Ginn Jr, who managed to have the second best season of his career with a 45% catch rate, the corpse of Jerricho Cotchery, and rookie Devin Funchess.
There are wrong takes and then there are these. Jesus.