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1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:
No stone unturned.
Some should be left alone...
1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:No stone unturned.
Some should be left alone...
1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:No stone unturned.
Some should be left alone...
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5 hours ago, Saint Doug said:
I get we would extend him to gain cap relief and I also get that we would never let him walk in FA. I was responding to the post that we would need to pay him because he has fallen down the pecking order in terms of top paid QBs. That’s what happens when you sign a long term contract. Mahomes has won 3 Super Bowls, 2 of which came after he signed his current contract. Yet, Mahomes is the 9th highest paid QB and I don’t see him asking for a new contract.The mahomes contract was smoke and mirrors like most NFL deals ... It was 10 year extension making it a 12 year deal but it was truly a 5 year extension (7 year deal) almost all guarantees are done in 2025... Yes he will want a new deal, and they will give it to him.
All the remaining years are HUGE cap hits with no guarantees.
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6 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:
He’s right next to Mahomes. He can get a new contract once he gets a ring.Not how it works... Honestly a new deal helps the bills because we have been restructuring his deal to create space year over year. His $60M in 25 is a boat anchor cap wise, and $59 in 26 is just as bad. If they restructure in 25 to alleviate some of that pressure, it kicks to the next years again.
'25 isn't when they "have to" make something work, they can easily kick the can in '25 and worry about it all in '26. That's the beauty of having him with 4 more years still. But now is when you consider being proactive so you can lock up your franchise QB longer, while structuring the deal to give you 4-5 more years or flexibility rather than just year to year can kicking.
Doesn't have to be done, but it's worth considering for sure.
And to your silly headline point of "he can get a new contract when he gets a ring", what are we gonna do, let him walk in 2029 if he doesn't?? Lol
Allen is physically the best most impressive QB in the NFL. Mahomes is better because he wins, but Allen is right there with what he can do on the football field. He's easily the best in franchise history, and his pooping on NFL records along the way. Dude is already on track for all timer and HOF if his career stays on this trajectory. Yes we a want a SB or 8, but that doesn't detract from how amazing he is.
Remember, Manning was drafted in '98 and didn't win a SB til 2006... He's still top 3 QBs ever. Josh is young and has at least a decade left in him, plenty of time for at least one SB.
Acting like he isn't worth a contract because he doesn't have a ring is just plain stupid and simplistic.
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5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Anyone complaining about CAP space next year...
Overthecap projects us at $14m next season.
If Buffalo rolls over the Tre White extension without doing anything with it next month minus paying the rookie class we get about $9m.
Plus everyone thinks we're cutting Von next offseason... if we do we get $8.5m in CAP savings.
Over $31m in CAP space right there.
Plus... could still easily restructure Oliver, Taron and Josh for a lot more money.
And as far as FA go... the big one is really only Spencer Brown.
Beane has set this team up for the future!
Is this with the projected increase in cap next year? I am assuming it is.
I would expect Josh to get at the very least a restructured deal in '25 as his cap hit is $60M and then $59M in '26. Next year he'll have 4 years left but the "guarantees" shift downward like all front loaded deals. No matter what by 26-27 he's gonna want something, we're better off working on it on '25, adding term, kicking out the balloon hits, and locking Josh up for another 3-5 years...
So a 5 year extension takes it to 9 under contract with a complete restructuring of how the cap hits work over the next 4 to give us breathing room. But bump his average back up to top 2-3 in the league. Frankly dude has earned it and the price is only going up. This is a smart play, unless he doesn't want to be locked in that long.
But all that aside, there are still moves and cap gymnastics that needs to be done in '25, and probably '26. It's just the world you live in when you go for broke like we did in 21-23 and kept charging to the future.
I will say I'm immensely impressed with how Beane has cleared it so quick... You see teams like New Orleans deal with "Cap Jail" for 10 years stuck in the cycle, and Beane made short work of it in 1 with some small carry over for '25, and we're back up and running.
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Rodgers has the same situation Brady and Manning had. They have a massive voice in game plan, packages, and play calls. One play comes in and there are 3-4 concept plays in the same formation that they can change to at the line. The OC "calls the play" but it's a play with multiple change options based on what the QB sees.
I can see why an OC may not want to coach a guy like Rodgers where there's a ton of ego and a 99% chance he changes every play, but the blame falls on the OC of it goes wrong.
Either way, they brought in Hackett for Rodgers, so if they wanted to put someone higher, odds are that too was with Rodgers okay.
I love when teams do what the Jets have done here surrendering their franchise to a player. Cleveland and Watson, Denver with Wilson (and now they wear the cap hit to clean it up).... It basically never goes well. Manning to Denver & Brady to TB were like the only time super stars of this level going to a new team worked, and frankly thats largely because they're hyper competitive but they're not the same head cases these other dudes are. I'm sure both (especially Brady) are arrogant as hell, but they also "get it". Rodgers has proven time and again he only cares about Rodgers.
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12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
I have his autograph...does the value of that go up or down after his death?
Depends, did he sign a small black leather glove?
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
PSL is a fee and we are talking specifically about additional fees to watch the game. So yes, PSL is the major discussion of this but as my point still stands, you pay fees for entertainment, there is just an extra one for football because of it's demand. As someone who apparently runs a business, in this scenario, the business owners who have implemented these plans have seen growth....how is that not a successful business model?
The really high end country club across the street from me, members first have to pay an initiation fee which is a lot. Then they have annual membership fees every year after that. That just gets them in the door of the country club.
Does this membership fee include food, drinks, golf, tennis, swimming etc? Nope, just gets you in the door to where you basically can hangout.
If you want to play golf, swim or other activities...another fee. Guess what pays for the building? The members.
My best friend and his wife do well and they're part of a country club and their set up is the same except their membership fees include the pool.
It happens in a much smaller setting than the NFL.
Private membership in a club is kind of similar but also kind of different because you pay the initiation and then monthlies plus whatever else you do. Some clubs also have minimum spends per month.
I think PSLs are more comparable to timeshares, where you pay a large upfront fee (either lump sum or financed over time) for the right to then pay annually fees and maintenance on a property you never own, and in perpetuity you're stuck paying whatever they say. You can use that property for a set amount of time based on what you paid, but in the end you're locked in and to use th timeshare you "bought", you must then also pay whatever they say.
PSLs are that upfront fee for the right to then buy season tickets which the Bills can jack the price of whenever they want, and as a PSL owner, you're stuck paying it. There technically is a market to sell your PSL and get out of the cycle, but much like timeshares it's not as easy and straightforward as it may sound.
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4 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said:
Was the Austin Johnson pursuit as suspenseful as the Bryant Johnson pursuit circa 2008? (My former BBMB friends will remember that one well).
It was about as fever pitched as the Sam Aiken preseason push for a larger role.
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It's kinda fun being the team that guys like this leave to go get over paid elsewhere, rather than being the bottom feeder overpaying for run of the mill system players because we don't build our own pipeline.
We lived that life for 20 years, signing the Drayton Florence's of the world because we couldn't draft worth a *****.
Now we have guys who develop pipelines... Jackson, Lewis, Wallace, Johnson, Benford, and Neal if you count guys they brought from Carolina on the cheap.
They leave to be paid, we cycle in Ingram, Brown, and likely will draft at least 1 probably 2 secondary guys with our 9 picks in rounds 4-7... They've done amazing things developing DBs, and I expect that to continue.
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2 hours ago, Cray51 said:
You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon! Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining
Not a fan of the tex mex, but I am a sucker for Rachel's Mediterranean Grill... It is so overpriced but it is so amazing.
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2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
This is an upgrade to Sherfield
This is like saying "Chick-fil-A is an upgrade to McDonald's".... While it may be true, maybe we'd rather not scarf down ***** fast food of any brand.
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Just now, transplantbillsfan said:
Not that anyone knows anymore, but is this contract big enough to count positively for Buffalo in the Comp Pick formula?
I mean it should be, the formula is based on signings vs lost though, so we're going to need to wait and see who we sign to offset.
But yes this will count, but who knows if it's more than a 7th now a days lol
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2 hours ago, Toyo321 said:
I just don't see anything big from us on this page at all today, still some other issues that need to addressed salary wise with this team this week.
I'm more curious about where guys like Floyd and Epenesa go and for how much to see what we can get comp pick wise...
Looks like Davis to the Jags on a 3 year deal but we don't know the $$$ yet.
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2 minutes ago, noacls said:
Any numbers released
No, none for him or for Gabe Davis to the Jags yet
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I don't see a trade that's worth moving him, cutting him is still $11M dead cap for just $5M in savings... This has to be an extension which drives his 2024 cap number down and locks him up for his foreseeable career.
My guess is 4 year extension taking him to 2029 (his 1 year left + 4 more), with "outs" IE: Cap Savings starting in 2026.
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10 hours ago, gobillsatthebeach said:
No safeties in group 1? Hamlin is on a rookie contract
Hamlin sucks. He was mediocre at best in 2022, and in 2023 was worse. He was a guy they simply had to keep, and who was a great story. It's an abomination he didn't win comeback player of the year, as DUDE WAS DEAD!
But he shouldn't be in the future plans even as a depth guy unless there's no other option.
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It's something into am cheering for, and honeslty I'd even attend if the games were closer. Something fun to do with the kids. But that means it needs to be cheap, which means no revenue... How do you attract good players if you can't pay them?
NCAA is the NFL farm system, has been for decades, and now, as was mentioned by ControllerofPlanetX, with NIL deals in place, most of these guys won't be incentivized to play in any league but the NFL. Obviously unless there's no other choice.
As was mentioned, the only way for it to be viable is a true connection to the NFL either with allocation of players, or some revenue deal to bolster it's ability to draw in better players.
I mean if you really want to think about how inferior the QB play is, Nate Peterman is statistically one of the worst QBs in NFL history, and he's on a roster... The dudes in the XFL and USFL were considered downgrades to that lol.
I mean I want it to do well, hell I wish Buffalo still had an Arena team, that too would be fun and different, but I'm not sure how it's gonna happen. And frankly I'm not invested enough to pay money for it via streaming or something so I don't see where their revenue is gonna come from.... But if the Bills allocated 10-15 dudes to play there I would absolutely watch, and probably pay a nominal fee.
But at the end of the day where's the benefit to the NFL? They can develop these guys at their own pace in their own training camps safely without worrying that they're going to get blown up in the off-season and that players done.
It's a double edge sword... They're also are NFLPA concerns and salary cap discussions to be had with a partnership.
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12 minutes ago, NewEra said:
I don’t understand comments like yours… it’s stupid…..and i have no clue what you’re even trying to say. What is the point of your post, what is your problem with my post, in English this time?
This is a thread about value free agents. I identified Bourne as a players I’d like to add. Dude says we need a guy who can stretch the field and that Bourne isn’t that guy….. dismissing Bourne as a potential FA addition. My rebuttal to that implies that Bourne is a potential target because we can still use another WR that isn’t a field stretcher.
now that that’s clear- what’s the problem with my post? That I disagree with him? That I didn’t explain my rebuttal in-depth and write a paragraph of double talk? 🤷🏻♂️ please teach me how to become a better poster almighty @MR8
What impact did Harty and Hines have for the Bills? They made 4 plays between them over the last 2 seasons. You’d rather have Harty and Hines than Henry? You think they’d be more impactful than Henry? That’s crazy. Hines is a speed merchant that suffered a terrible leg injury. Harty did next to nothing. Those two combined are set to make more than that 4.5-7M you said Henry will make.
paying Hines and Harty close to 10M between them is a luxury…..no?
I understand you need things to be simplified so I'll just put it this way, neither of those two guys is going to be playing here next year on those contracts. They will either be renegotiated or cut. If they are cut, and you signed Henry, you're looking at Henry's contract plus the dead cap so it's actually even more. Because I'm not sure if you're aware of this you can't just cut people for nothing. Based on your posting you seem to think there are no consequences to cutting players and signing new ones.
Renegotiating both of those guys will open up cap space, while adding minimal issues down the road, and you get two players instead of just one. If you renegotiate them to more team friendly deals, you still have the ability to go out and sign other free agents, however it is unlikely you would be able to sign Henry as, again, you'd be carrying their salaries and then also have to add his.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
It’s all about price point on this to me
Why pay Henry when we pay Ty Johnson like 1 million
Zeke got 1 year $3M to "prove it" in NE, and he had gone over 1,000 yards in 3 of his previous 5 seasons prior to that deal. He was healthy every game and lost his starting spot despite a huge contract.
Henry has been over 1,000 yards 4 times in 5 years with over 1500 in 3 of those 4, and 2000 in 2020. 2021 was his only sub-1000 yard year in those 5, and he had 937, but did so in just 8 games.
Henry will want starter money, and if Zeke's deal is the baseline for a vet RB looking to hang on, Henry will get at min that, my guess is closer to $7M with $4.5-ish guaranteed.
For the Bills this is an absurd luxury.
Hard pass
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Just now, Bills!Win! said:
None of these free agents spark any interest from me. We’re better off making a trade
Trades for impactful players are rare, it's more likely we sign 2nd and third tier FAs, and then use our extra draft assets to move up here and there in the draft to target guys who for our scheme and are at positions of need rather than trading for NFL players.
I'd love to see some action, but Beane's history doesn't support that kind of action.
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On 2/16/2024 at 7:46 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:
you’re already planning to pay Hines and Harty the same kind of $. Henry is a MUCH bigger impactHow do you figure he's a "much better impact"? The guy has seen serious decline year over year over year in his yards per carry totals. Here in Buffalo he would not be a bell cow, he'd be a change of pace back but for more money than is warranted for that...
Additionally Cook is just coming into his own, do you really want to take him off the field? He's more dynamic, more explosive, has better hands, and at this point in his career is just the better running back. Sure between the tacklers he's not the best of the two, but overall I would rather him be on the field as many snaps as possible. Which means if you're spending our limited free agent money on a guy who's going to want to be on the field at least 50% of the time, it's a bad expenditure.
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On 2/15/2024 at 9:05 PM, NewEra said:
We need more than 1 guy.
It's comments like this that I don't understand, yes of course we need more than one guy, but why act like advocating for this specific guy is a bad thing?
Your post is dismissive, but it's not like you saying this is the only thing they should do. I think we are all on board with the bills drafting a wide receiver in the first and or second round. Getting somebody like Born as but it's not like you saying this is the only thing they should do. I think we are all on board with the bills drafting a wide receiver in the first and or second round. Getting somebody like Bourne as well wouldbe adding 2+ guys in this scenario.
The oversimplification by saying "we need more than 1"... Well, I guess we shouldn't discuss any why does he have a free agents because we need more than one therefore we are incapable of discussing any individual player... It's just stupid...k
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18 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:
I'm not 100% clear on this but this is what Spotrac says regarding a Diggs post-June 1 trade:
2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000
2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,0002024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000
So if the Cover 1 guys say there's $22 million in 2025 dead cap hit, Spotrac agrees, as per above.
Are you saying something different? I think you're suggesting that the total available cap space in 2025 is higher than they suggest if this happens. I don't know the 2025 cap space as of now (with no Diggs trade) but it seems pretty definitive that a post-June 1 Diggs trade negatively impacts the 2025 cap — whatever that number is — by $22 million.
Let me know if I'm not reading your comments correctly.I think this looks right, but the bigger problem here is if you trade digs post June first, what do you replace him with? You can't designate a player as a post June first trade, you have to actually trade him after June 1st. Unlike if you're cutting somebody you can designate them.
This means you're trading away your number one receiver after the draft and all of the worthwhile free agents have signed. If this is the course the bills choose to take, you're freeing up some cap space this year you're taking a huge chunk of cap space away next year, and you're losing stuff on digs. The assets you will get back are all in 2025 and beyond. You have to already have a solution for number one wide receiver, number two wide receiver, and depth across that position group on the roster before you make that move.
Honestly it's a very tricky proposition with the salary cap situation you're finding yourself in already. Unless they draft wide receivers in like the first second and fourth rounds, I just don't see how you could possibly get on number one and a number two WR added to the roster and make digs expendable.
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3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:
Where is the team sitting in regards to the cap with players who are signed for 2024 ?
They're $51M over as of now. Lots of moves to work on that but as of now they're 2nd worst in cap space in th NFL, actually virtually tied with Miami.
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What are your expectations for the draft picks?
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I think the rookies will be held back a bit early on and take a larger role later in the year. In particular Bishop because McDermott is known for sitting rookies on D longer to learn the schemes. If he plays out of the gate like Edmunds did, it'd be surprising, but also a good sign of his football IQ and ability to play the role he's being asked to play on the D.
Hyde and Poyer were amazing players for us for so long for 2 reasons... 1) they're superb athletes and 2) PERFECT scheme mesh of skill set and what was asked of them. It does look like Bishop will be a Poyer type player and projects well to fit. He just needs to take the steps.
Coleman I am much less excited about... The kid is likeable but who cares, I want food football players and I just am not impressed. That said, I think they try to get him involved early to see what he can do. They'll platoon WRs to flatten his learning curve a bit but I think they're gonna tear him and see what they have immediately. What his production will look like... Your guess is as good as mine, but his lack of speed and lack of separation in college has me VERY concerned.
Carter I think will rotate in sparingly early as he learns the role, but I could see him being much more consistent player by the end of the season. But remember, the Bills rotate D-Line like crazy to keep them fresh. He'll see 35-40% of snaps, and it won't be an indictment of his ability, it'll be because of their rotation.
Davis was a nice little pick up who has quietly been praised by college football people. He's a bit older for a rookie and has some more mileage than you would expect from a rookie. But that's not a bad thing in this case because he's coming in as a situational player and to spell cook. He's a great change of pace, and when he gets moving the guy is a bowling ball. He also has a great ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and equally as important, he can pass block. I don't see him getting a massive amount of touches, but I wouldn't be surprised if his snap count is higher than people expect because of his utility ability. At the end of the day he is clearly second fiddle and the only way he's going to get a lot of snaps is if cook gets hurt. We don't want that. But I think he's going to be very productive as a change of pace back and add something to this offense that we have been lacking.