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Brady had his reasons to not relinquish any additional text messages which, absent a subpoena, was his right. The million $ question is whether or not he has incriminating info on his phone? If they do indeed proceed ahead with a lawsuit, I think it is safe to say, he isn't worried about being subpoenaed for it. And why would he? It has be thoroughly documented that Wells had all of the electronics communication between Brady and McNally/Jamstsremski.
As far as McNally .... the team made it known in their rebuttal the reasons why they refused additional access in their rebuttal .... as follows: "That agreement was based on an explicit understanding reached with the Wells investigators: barring unanticipated circumstances, individuals would only be interviewed by the Wells investigators one time.
While the report states that certain of Mr. Jastremski’s texts were not “discovered” until after this interview (pg. 75, footnote 47), there is no question that the investigators had all such texts in their possession and available for the questioning. They apparently just overlooked them, identifying them now as a matter they wanted to cover in yet another interview
Although asked numerous times for the reason for their request for yet another interview with Mr. McNally, the Wells investigators never stated the reason that now appears evident from the Report: They had overlooked texts in their earlier interviews and wanted the opportunity to ask about them. This information would have confirmed what is now clear. The request was inconsistent with the interview protocol agreed to at the outset.
TLDR: The Wells team NEVER TOLD THE PATRIOTS OR MCNALLY why they wanted the 5th interview, which is against the protocol THE WELLS TEAM ESTABLISHED"
I can't believe you are buying this crap. Anyone who is neutral can see the Pats**** are the dishonest ones in this whole affair. How can you defend them? I don't care if they ask to talk to McNally or anyone else 20 times. Or if Brady has a reason not to turn over texts (perhaps he shouldn't have been texting/meeting/calling a person he stood up in front of the media and claimed to not know). Let's see, the Pats relieve two supposedly innocent people from their duties to take the fall who we are expected to believe were texting about weight loss even though they referred to inflating balls to the size of watermelons? If you are innocent you don't play these games and anyone who defends them is showing a lack of integrity.
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I hate the Pats***! This is just demonstrating how much they have lied in the past. They are psychotic and must really believe the world will buy their version of the truth. They are looking like habitual liars and it only makes me wonder if EVERY rumor about their cheating isn't true. I hope these two guys flip. Whatever they signed wouldn't be legal. How do you suspend employees for cooperating with an investigation and giving their text messages? In that organization you get in trouble for honesty. I hope these two guys have more to implicate Brady and tell all!
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Penalty is too short for Brady. Should have been at least 8 games because they will cave and reduce the sentence. And they should make Brady pay those two staff members $1M each because he basically ruined their careers. What were they supposed to do - not bid Brady's orders and get fired? They are real "Patsies" and should have seen this coming. They should have gone to the league and got Brady what he deserved instead of taking the fall in the end.
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I understand the comparison with scuffing the ball in baseball or throwing a splitter but there is a big difference. Using a deflated ball affects every single play. Also, turnovers are a huge factor in football and I think this is the reason the Pats have been consistently winning the turnover battle.
A little gamesmanship or stealing signals because the opponent is stupid enough to let you figure them out is one thing but purposely cheating and then lying about the cheating and acting like the Pats do? Let me just say if the Bills did that I wouldn't be a fan of the team any more. I can't figure out why Pats fans still like Brady? I'd be done with him for a hundred reasons including lying to his team and the world about his involvement.
Here is some research of why the Pats win more
games. They win the turnover battle and they
do it by deflating the ball to make it easier
to hold onto and to grip. This team is just the
poster child for the biggest cheats in sports
ever.
The real deal on fumbles
according to Sharp:
The league average from 2010 to 2014 was 50 plays per fumble. For indoor teams, the average was 55 plays per fumble. For outdoor teams, excluding the Patriots, the average was 46 plays per fumble. The Patriots averaged 73 plays per fumble, almost 60 percent more than outdoor teams and almost 50 percent more than the league average the past five years.
Maybe the Patriots just target players who are particularly good at holding onto the ball? Its easy to think that during the offseason and in the draft room, Belichick and friends are scouting players who have a knack for not fumbling.
However, Michael Salfino of the Wall Street Journal looked at Patriots players who, since 2010, have logged significant minutes on other teams to compare fumbles rates. His findings:
Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).
So it cant be merely personnel, right? For example, Green-Ellis didnt fumble once in 501 touches for the Patriots since 2010. However, during his next two years with the Cincinnati Bengals he fumbled five times in 524 touches.
Likewise, Amendola hasnt fumbled once in 82 touches with the Patriots, yet had three fumbles in 162 touches with Ram since 2010. During the same time, Woodhead saw his plays-per-fumble decrease from 171 with the Patriots to just 86 with the Chargers. Blount fumbled every 51.8 plays with the Buccaneers and Steelers, but only every 73 plays with New England.
Yet while Welker only lost the ball every 166 touches with the Patriots, he is still yet to fumble (in 122 touches so far) with the Broncos. And LaFell has actually seen his plays-per-fumble decrease to 76 with the Patriots, from 86.5 with the Panthers.
While it isnt universal for every individual player, Salfinos larger finding still stands: in the past five years, players fumble significantly less on the Patriots than they do when playing for other teams. Since his initial report, Sharp wrote a supplemental post showing that from 2007-2014, individual Patriots players with more than 300 touches fumbled once every 107 touches, versus every 67 touches when playing for other teams.
So it isnt strictly personnel. Could it be the coaching?
Despite Stevan Ridley earning a reputation for being fumble-prone, the stats dont seem to show that he fumbles at a rate particularly higher than league averages. In fact, since 2010, only one team in the league had a better rate: The Atlanta Falcons, who play in a dome, fumbled only once every 80 plays. Besides the Patriots, no other team in the league broke 70 and no other outdoor team had a better rate than 55. Compared to the average fumble rate for the 31 other teams in the league, per touch Ridley actually has a better chance of holding on.
That hasnt, however, stopped him from being benchedmultiple timesfor fumbling. Perhaps Belichick has particularly high standards for his players. And we know turnovers are a statistic that Belichick has focused on in the past. Its not very realistic that it is something he regularly drills in practice and emphasizes, even if it means benching his running back.
Does this apparent strictness from the coach explain the Patriots collective tight grip on the football? Perhaps Belichick has just groomed his team into a statistical anomaly when it comes to fumble rate?
Or perhaps something else has been in the works. As Sharp speculates, maybe theyve invented a revolutionary in-house way to protect the ball or they design plays that dont put players in the position to fumble. Or maybe its the ball.
The Patriots have held the best plays per fumble rate since 2007. Sharp also points out this is the first year the Patriots started outperforming in wet weather games. After going 0-2 in 2006, New England has gone an unprecedented 14-1 in Tom Brady wet weather home games (compared to 51-9 in dry weather home games). According to ProFootballReference.com, from 2001 to 2006, Brady averaged 9.8 fumbles per season. From 2007 to 2014, his fumbles per season decreased to 5.3.
Interestingly, one other thing changed the season prior to 2007: the rules. In 2006, Brady and Peyton Manning successfully lobbied the league to allow road team offenses to bring their own balls, breaking from the rule in which the home team provided all 24 balls. You may have heard of this rule change recently in the news again.
Ultimately, the anomaly of the Patriots superior fumble avoidance doesnt prove anything, besides a distinct advantage on their opponents. But whether its coaching, play design or PSI, its certainly no coincidence.Can't say it any better than this! I don't see why everyone does understand the significance of what they have been doing!
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Everyone is focused on the penalty but I am very curious about what happens when Brady returns. I believe strongly the deflated ball has helped Brady and has helped the Pats reduce their turnovers. My assumption is also that it has been going on for at least several seasons (I don't think they just came up with the nickname The Deflator for the playoffs).
We will certainly find out as I expect, miraculously, the Pats turnover advantage to disappear which will provide a good indication of just how long this has been going on. More importantly, when Brady returns you know the ball pressure will not be to his liking for the rest of his career. I think there will be a psychological impact as well as a physical impact. I really don't think he'll be the quarterback he once was and we'll also get an idea of just how much his cheating has helped his stats over the past few years, especially as he has aged.
Anyway, I expect the fact that they can no longer cheat in this way will have more impact then the penalties. Maybe this is just wishful thinking?
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Should have been 8 games. They better not reduce any games on appeal. I think maybe the organization should have got less and Brady more of a penalty. No evidence the team was directing it but I laugh at all those who claim there is no evidence against Brady. Pardon me, he just happens to start texting/calling/meeting with some lowly staff member when the whole thing blows up who is texting someone constantly referencing Brady and whose nickname is the Deflator? This is after Brady stands up in front of media and claims never to have heard of the guy? How do people buy this crap?
It's like Clinton saying he didn't inhale or didn't do anything with Monica. When they lie under those circumstances they just prove themselves to be almost pathological and anyone that buys it is blind. All Brady had to do from the beginning was say, "Yeah, I prefer to get a better grip so I ask the equipment guys to make sure they are soft but I never tell them to go under the minimum inflation." Case closed. Not saying that and denying everything instead is more evidence he was deliberately trying to get an advantage outside the rules and knew it.
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The only reason they can't prove it 100% is because the Pats wouldn't provide access including Brady and his phone records. I hate Brady - he is a cheat and a liar. The Saints owner better not let Goodell go easy on this. Payton was suspended a full year when it wasn't proven he knew anything. If there aren't meaningful penalties than every team should begin looking for ways to cheat.
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Why are there news reports saying stupid things like Brady probably knew but it can't be proven. Huh? Did Brady provide autographs or tickets to the guys texting or not? The only reason they can't prove it is because he wouldn't turn over his phone. Brady is a liar and a cheat. It's worse than Rose betting on baseball when he never bet against his own team. But I predict Goodell is too weak to do anything. If I were the other owners I'd be pissed if nothing major is done, especially New Orleans. Payton was gone for a year and no one could prove he knew anything. How is this different? There should be major penalties and a message sent that the integrity of the game is more important than any player.
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I honestly think that this is one of those situations where no one on the board knows anything about the player (myself included). My suggestion is not to pontificate unless you have a remotely educated opinion.
I know what you are saying and of course, deep down, you are correct. But we might as well close down twobillsdrive then. The point is discussion based on what little we do know and the amount of trust we have in the front office. Plus who doesn't like to play GM?
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Winston - Vince Young only worse. 95% sure he will never be a winning QB. Self-centered, character flaws, little self-control, will lack focus. Don't these GMs ever learn anything from players like Manziel? Sure Winston has way more tools than Manziel but his character issues are similar. Even if he does turn out to be capable it is a terrible risk to draft him.
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Anyone else think this is a terrible draft class? Good year not to have a number one. Winston has Vince Young written all over him. I wouldn't draft him in the 2nd round. I am sure he will never be a winning QB in this league. I don't think Mariotta will be either but at least he is not a head case with questionable character (and that's being kind). The tape on a lot of the top 10 picks is not great. These GMs never learn from history.
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I hate the best player available strategy. That assumes everyone knows who the best player is. They don't. It's an educated guess at best. I believe in the first 3 rounds you draft players at position of need you think capable of making it in the NFL and contributing right away. In the last 4 rounds you reach for some guys with ceilings who might grow into better players. Whenever possible trade down and accumulate more picks because it increases the odds you will hit on some of them. Pretty much the opposite of what the Bills do. For example, using that strategy you never take Kujo in the 2nd round because there are too many question marks.
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I hate this pick. The Bills always outsmart themselves and don't know how to draft in the first 3 rounds. Whaley said there was a gap on their board between him and anyone else? Then their board sucks! I understand you might not draft for need in the top of the first round but with your first three picks you need to take safe players that will help out right away. Every single year Buffalo ends up with a weak spot or two that sinks the ship. It's QB and OL again this year. Chris Williams stinks, Kujo might be a bust and we face improved DL in our division. Even if you took a TE in case Clay goes down I could understand it. You just addressed one of the strongest positions on the team in a draft when you are already short a pick. PLUS NO ONE was going to take this guy so you could have at least traded down if you wanted him. Doesn't Ryan understand what sunk him in NY had nothing to do with his D? He'll never win until he can field a competent offense!
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The problem is that he is the sort of player that does damage in the locker room and ultimately comes back to hurt you by distracting others from playing their best. Not good for the team. He better come back changed and cut the crap. I don't want to become the team willing to play anyone. I'd rather field a team of high quality intelligent players.
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Finally, the explanation you've all been waiting for here.
Okay, so if that is really the logic than call the QB sneak or roll Wilson out where he can run or throw. Not to attempt to run first is what is so stupid in this scenario. To throw over the middle where it is going to be crowded because everyone is expecting Lynch to run was still the worst call in NFL history!
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Another interesting stat that makes you think:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/super-bowl-new-england-patriots-seattle-seahawks/
"Before Sunday, NFL teams had thrown the ball 108 times on the opposing team’s 1-yard line this season. Those passes had produced 66 touchdowns (a success rate of 61.1 percent, down to 59.5 percent when you throw in three sacks) and zero interceptions. The 223 running plays had generated 129 touchdowns (a 57.8 percent success rate) and two turnovers on fumbles. Before Sunday, NFL teams had thrown the ball 108 times on the opposing team’s 1-yard line this season. Those passes had produced 66 touchdowns (a success rate of 61.1 percent, down to 59.5 percent when you throw in three sacks) and zero interceptions. The 223 running plays had generated 129 touchdowns (a 57.8 percent success rate) and two turnovers on fumbles."
You guys don't get it...with the way Lynch was running, on second down and with a timeout left at the half yard line there is no way you do anything other than hand the ball off to Lynch. If it doesn't work and this is your next call no one is complaining. But with the Pats still reeling after the freak catch and the momentum of the game and the dumb Pats not taking a timeout themselves I am 99% convinced Lynch would have scored. Just run it in!
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I try not to curse but I let the expletives fly after that play because I hate the Patriots so much. Why do they always get so lucky whether it is the refs just giving it to them or teams doing the most stupid things to give them wins? On second down and with a timeout there you try to punch it in first 10 out of 10 times and then pass the next play if it doesn't work! But that's the exact play Hackett and Marrone would have called there thinking they had to surprise the other team. Plus that receiver was awful on that play - the only thing you can't have is an INT so he should have been breaking up that pass. Didn't even make an attempt. Unbelievable.
Two things I hope come out of this...I think it is the last Super Bowl appearance for either team for 20 years. The Seahawks will implode after that one and their run of excellence is over. It's the kind of loss that does that. And the Pats are done as well. Their run of luck has to come to an end. I hope so anyway because I can't stand either team.
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I think this will really spell the end of Goodell's tenure. He is a terrible commissioner and when will the owners figure that out? Does he handle anything well? His close ties to Kraft make this a no-win situation for him. Look at how he came down on Payton in New Orleans when he didn't know what was going on and none of that was illegal. How can the NFL not do the same for the Pats? Whoever did it, the organization was responsible for 11 or the 12 balls being altered while none of the Colts were altered.
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Excellent and objective review. Our only hope is that Rex can learn from his mistakes as many coaches do their second time around. But I am not confident this will happen. As you mentioned, he didn't seem to change during his time in NY and he has a HUGE ego so why would he all of a sudden see the light? The Bills always hire coaches the wrong way. Instead of studying past performance and centering on that in light of the current situation when interviewing they always start interviewing until someone "impresses" them. Hiring based upon interview skills is a huge mistake. Con Artists and big ego types always talk a good game and impress. When they fail to deliver everyone is surprised. The Harbaugh hire in Baltimore is a good example. In the NFL you have to find the next innovator who can get ahead of the league for a few years until the rest catch up like Levy did with the K-gun. I am afraid our team will look exactly like the Jets and our team of last year. Great D good enough to win but not overcome a horrible offense.
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At the start of the season if you asked me who I DIDN'T want in the SB it would be Seahawks-Pats. I suppose the good news is one of them has to lose. I can't believe I'll be forced to root for the Seahawks.
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Finally got the opportunity to watch this. Very interesting. I knew Flutie was successful in the CFL but I had no idea how much he dominated. Many awesome highlights with every team he played for. Whatever you think of Flutie personally it was amazing how often he got a raw deal. What Buffalo did to him a few times was unreal. I definitely think we would have enjoyed better fortune against the Titans - Flutie was too lucky to ever have that game go against him like that if he was the QB! He also got ripped off by the Bears after proving he could play. In today's NFL I think his skills would have been better appreciated.
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I don't know if it is a smart move or not but I think it is occurring for several reasons. In part I think it is because Pegula is new to the NFL and doesn't have as much knowledge of the candidates. He wants to meet them to get a better feel for them. He also could very well be interviewing Brandon and Whaley at the same time. Pegula has hired many top executives and even though the NFL is new to him he likely is judging Brandon and Whaley's effectiveness throughout the process.
I hope things get wrapped up soon though because telling so many potential head coaches no may hurt down the road when new staff need to be recruited and if our "team" comes out looking poor in the process (I think we have all left interviews thinking "Man, I wouldn't want to work for THAT company!). Word gets around quick and Pegula needs to be worried about what that word might be.
Also, we should have had a better idea of what we felt about Schwartz as I would be feeling like an after thought the more they interview other candidates. If they hire someone I respect fine but if they pass me over for some obscure coach after interviewing 18 people that probably would irk me. I hope someone is showing Schwartz some respect throughout this process. Frankly, the odds that he turns out to be a very good coach his second time around are as good as most of these other candidates.
Finally, I hope they don't get duped by a good interview like Mularky. Some people are capable of interviewing well and communicating good ideas but that is much different than effectively leading a team! I wish we could get a Dungy in here for example. His integrity is off the charts and has proven to be a great coach and person. I don't care if he kills an interview or not. Interviewing, in my opinion, is very overrated. Find someone who has proven they can be trusted and stay away from the rest (like the Shannahan's for goodness sake!).
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These guys are idiots! Brandon is a fool. They should all be acting professionally. Jumping around like goofs when they should be humble knowing the draft is a crap shoot and trading away the 2015 #1 pick to move up a few spots is a huge gamble. They should be nervously telling each other they hope this works out. They show their stupidity in acting like anything is a sure thing, especially picking Kujo with the second pick with so many questions about him. They didn't "win" anything. All they did was find someone willing to take next years number one pick off their hands. For an organization that has missed on so many picks and with our history they shouldn't be carrying on like they know anything. Especially Overdorf and Brandon - how many playoff games have you led us to in the past 15 years?
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I hat to say it but I agree with Marrone. After being handpicked by Brandon he was probably surprised that Brandon started supporting Whaley and went along with such a dumb trade. I don't like the way Marrone worked with people anyway. If he didn't get his own way he was going to have a fit. I think I don't like anyone in the front office last year. It is an awkward spot the Bills are in but I think we need a whole new cast of characters. Hopefully Pegula is smart enough to find the right ones but I was none too encouraged in the Polian, AJ Smith idea.
Tired of Deflategate
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Exactly! Every time Pneumonic keeps making stupid comments like wait until there is contradictory evidence he demonstrates how illogical he is. If there was contradictory evidence they would use it. Instead they are just making stupid crap up that they hope will confuse and drown out the facts. That's not a defense. I'd love to see Goodell increase the penalty during the appeal for all this crap the Pats*** are doing to make a mockery of the league. Wouldn't that be great?