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Eugene Parker is NOT making the distinction between "free" and "strong" safety when he negotiates. He's using Polamalu and Berry's numbers in there as well so I don't know why we would make the distinction, either.
It's all about guaranteed money and actual salaries paid. The average doesn't mean a thing except to agents, so I find the use of them in the discussion to be irrelevant.
In terms of guaranteed money, Berry dwarfs everybody else at $25.6m. If Byrd wanted that kind of money, he should have been a top 5 draft pick. As it is, if we tag him again next year, he'd be at $15.2m guaranteed, which is still short of Weddle and Goldson's $19m and $18m, respectively.
In terms of actual salary, Byrd is at 6.9 guaranteed this year which places him 4th in the league.
I'm not sure why the "cap hit" rankings would be included accept to try to make a point that Byrd is somehow not in the top 5?
GO BILLS!!!
I don't disagree. What I think happened is that Parker says $9M (top of all safeties), the Bills say $7M (top 4-5 FSs), Parker ignores it, the Bills leak hey, we offered top 4-5, and it goes nowhere.
As far as Berry's deal goes, remember he was 5th overall in the last class before the new CBA went into play...
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$8.25 million is what you get if you take the average yearly salary of the current contracts of the Top 5 highest paid safeties in the NFL.
So Benigni's tweet is wrong, they offered Top 3 safety money? Top 4-5 is $7.4M - $8M
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I thought placing the franchise tag on a FS is the same as any DB, so Byrd gets the average of the top 5 DB's? Right?
If you're talking about the value of the Franchise Tag, yes, but just safeties, not all DBs. CBs are paid $10.854M as a non-exclusive tag.
the CBA does NOT separate out free vs strong safety. just like it doesn't separate OL Tackles from Guards.
This is about your figure of $8.25M as what the Bills offered, because you're using all safeties as the base, not the CBA calculation of the Franchise Tag. IMO, this is not true. It's like saying a RT is worth what a LT makes.
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Sport trac 2013 Cap hit for Safeties (includes base pay and all bonuses):
#1- $10.2 - Eric Berry
#2- $10.1 - Troy Polamalu
#3- $ 9.2 - Antrele Rolle
#4- $ 9.0 - Dashon Goldson
#5- $ 8.6 - Eric Weddle
#6- $ 6.9 - Jairus Byrd
http://www.spotrac.c...cap-hit/safety/
sport trac highlights the player option year in green
http://www.spotrac.c...efs/eric-berry/
per year average of top 5 safeties
#1- $9.1 - Polamalu
#2- $8.3 - Berry
#3- $8.25 - Goldson
#4- $8.00 - weddle
#5- $7.4 - Rolle
average top 5 safeties $8.2
One more time, Byrd is a Free Safety, so throw out Berry's and Polamalu's numbers and you have:
#1- $ 9.2 - Antrele Rolle
#2- $ 9.0 - Dashon Goldson
#3- $ 8.6 - Eric Weddle
#4- $ 6.9 - Jairus Byrd
#5- $ 6.3 - Michael Griffin
Not sure what why the Cap Hit is the number you used, but it doesn't change the picture much when you take out Strong Safety.
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I know I've been dogging Byrd...
but for the record I would have paid Byrd what Parker was asking.....that's right, you heard me.
lets assume the bills offered Top 4-5 money at $8.25 mil/year and Parker wanted $9 mil /year.
are you kidding me ???? we have a stalemate over less than $1 million a year for a Pro Bowl player ?????
Levitre, Wood & Byrd are the type of players you slightly overpay for.
You don't seem to want to let go of the $8,25M figure and Benigni's tweet. Byrd is a FS, and if he was offered top 4-5 FS money, that's in the low $7M neighborhood. The conventional wisdom says that when a team offers $2M less than Parker's magic number, he ignores it. If the Bills were within $750K, a deal could have been done. They weren't, mostly likely because of the value the team placed on Byrd, his PF, and a new scheme, which presents enough unknowns to make the Bills wary of committing big $.
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the bills offered top 4-5 money, that's $8.25 mil
Byrd wants #1 money, that's $9 mil
WGR quoted Mark Kelso, who is said to a be a personal friend of Byrd, that Byrd wants $9M and the Bills (apparently) offered $7M...
"It's unfortunate. It is what it is though," Kelso remarked. "Honestly, I had the conversation with him. 'What's the difference between $7 million and $9 million?' Two million, I realize that. I'm smarter than a fifth grader but in the realm of professional sports, I think there are a lot of things more important than that $2 million."and according to Tim Graham, the top FSs are:
Dashon Goldson, Buccaneers, $8.25 million
Eric Weddle, Chargers, $8 million
Antrel Rolle, Giants, $7.4 million
Michael Griffin, Titans, $7 million
Jairus Byrd, Bills, $6.916 million (if he signs franchise tag)
So ya, it was top 4-5
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Levitre got paid LESS ($7.8 mil/yr) than what the bills offered (about $8.25) and what Byrd wants (about $9 mil/yr).
Levitre is getting dirty on every single offensive play. Byrd does not get dirty on every defensive play.
Where does the bolded part come from. I was under the impression the Bills never made AL an offer, probably because it wasn't going to be close to what the FA market would pay, so they let him walk. There was no shortage of articles on Levitre waiting for an offer.
If you meant what the Bills offered Byrd, most of the people who know about these things, said the Bills were closer to $7m (~$2M less than the $9M Byrd was seeking).
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they decided to keep him on the active roster, he won't go to PUP
The New England Patriots will keep recovering tight end Rob Gronkowski on their 53-man roster, and not place him on the reserve/physically unable to perform list, a league source tells ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
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I think that the fact teams were bringing in Jamarcus Russell for looks and not Matt Leinart says I am not the only one.
I also easily understood the comparison. There are several similarities to the two situations and players. I just responded to the fact that it wasn't a true comparison because IMO Leinart could never do it because he lacks the arm and always will, not because he lacked the talent or the opportunity, a liability that has stopped hundreds of great college players over the years. Furthermore the combination of lack of arm strength and slowness of foot exponentially hurts Leinart and always will. And that Plunkett had no such limitations.
I'm curious, why do you think the Bills brought him in and signed him, given those limitations? Just really lousy alternatives?
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here's an audio track, Florio is babbling in the beginning. The audio player says Track #1, click on the "1" and you'll be at the start of TG's interview.
He doesn't say anything really controversial, except near the end, when he's asked about the Byrd situation, no surprise...
My take on the situation is that Jairus Byrd wants to play football, and loves the game of football, but uh, he doesn't want to be here anymore, and he uh, like a lot of players who get the franchise tag, felt um, that he um, was treated unfairly. Now of course, a lot of people, it's difficult to look at the situation from the outside and understand how somebody could be upset (static) over $6.9M guaranteed, but this is the real world (static) people aren't buying, people like to throw out (static) firefighters or teachersthen there's so much static, that it's unintelligible, which (to me) is really embarrassing and then the call is dropped. He's on his cell phone and talking to a national sports media show on live tv. Seems like he could've made sure he was in a place where he had a good signal, but I'm no Tim Graham.
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As far as Byrd signing long term with a new team I think they can only agree in principle (the Bills could do the same) but what happens if Byrd has a great season and Parker wants more or if Byrd plays terrible/is hurt?
I'm no expert, I suppose you're right, Byrd and his agent could conceivably come to some agreement in principle, but they'd have to get the Bills to agree (ie compensation, because they could tag him again..). The situation is the same if he has a great season; the Bills can sign him to a multi-year agreement, tag him again, trade him, or let him sign with another team with some killer compensation.
Now I'm convinced I misread it due to the final sentence saying he can't sign extension until after last reg season game. I read the Breer article. The only thing I got out of it is he can be franchised a 3rd straight year at 144% of the top 5 salaries. He says nothing about trading.
to me, it was the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club that excluded him from doing anything else. You're right, the Breer article didn't address trades. I only linked it to show the changes to the tag rule (via the new CBA) that allowed teams to continually tag a player, at a cost...
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Is this true? I thought Walter Jones got tagged three years in a row?
no, it's not true.
How else did the franchise-tag rules change?
Teams can continuously franchise players, but it'll cost them to do that. As had been the case previously, a player tagged a second straight year would have his number set at 120 percent of the previous figure. A third straight year? That's where things change, and the percentage goes up to 144.
By the way, here's the relevant section that, to me says that Byrd CAn sign a long term deal with another club:
(k) Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 15 of the League Year (or, if July 15 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game of that League Year.
how can you interpret the rule as he can sign a long term deal with another club after 7/15?
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but now you just MUST view his twitter daily to see how this soap opera unfolds!
ok, so this timeline in Bleacher Report is interesting..
According to ESPN's Ed Werder, Byrd is hoping to be traded by the NFL's trade deadline that falls on October 29. Werder credited his sources during a segment on ESPN's new "Insiders" television show that airs weekdays at 3pm on ESPN.
Immediately after those comments, Adam Schefter added the following: "Jairus Byrd is back in Buffalo, but that doesn't mean this situation is over."
the article then quotes Werder's retake
Regarding Jarius Byrd: Acrimony remains, will take time to adjust to scheme, get in football shape, may even hope for eventual tradeBUT, Adam Schefter's Tweet is now mysteriously deleted from his feed...
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Yes, but that's a worlds of difference between him openly asking for a trade. You can look at it also as the Bills don't want to go through this process again next year and will be more than happy to move him. You know, like the other Parker client, before.
ps - Who'd want a bridge to Brooklyn anyway?
another link in the Byrd convo on Rotoworld
NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Bills FS Jairus Byrd hasn't requested a trade.
Earlier Wednesday, there were rumors to that effect on Twitter, but they were based on a misinterpreted report from ESPN's Ed Werder. A trade couldn't net Byrd his desired long-term deal any sooner than the offseason, so he has little reason to request one.
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Belichick, the great communicator....
Asked why he only played two quarterbacks, Patriots coach Bill Belichick responded with: "Because I only played two quarterbacks." -
Oh, and play as hard and as well as he possibly can. Or do these guys think that NFL teams lust after players who intentionally tank on their teams for personal gain and can't wait to pay them top dollar?
I like Tim Graham a lot. I really think that his article was way out of line with conjecture though, even if he is basically writing a blog where he is expected to give his opinion and not necessarily straight reporting.
right, if you read his Twitter feed, he stirred up a hornet's nest by posing a what-if, thinking out loud scenario, so I'm guessing he continues the controversial approach to keep the page views going up...
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Dude, the whole thing remains to be seen. FOX/NBC could be as wrong as Trump was about the USFL.
The question is: why is FOX/NBC doing this now?
Your link talks about history. I want to know about now. What has changed?
The only thing I see is: brand loyalty, for the first time ever, is weakening. I see the same pattern as CNN. Crap agenda driving customers elsewhere, over time, once that elsewhere exists. Please understand, this comes from a guy who has spent 20 years watching Berman every Sunday night during football, and Sportscenter 3 times a week minimum. I've been as loyal as the next sports fan, but, if something better comes along: I'm gone.
1) read my previous post, because the Fox execs want what Disney has, real bottom line revenue with positive growth.
2) nothing has changed. you act like their $40B valuation has declined, quite the opposite; it's still growing. FY13Q2 Disney earnings jumped
Disney's Media Networks Group, which includes ABC and ESPN, posted an operating income of $1.86 billion, up 8%. Revenue rose 6% to $4.96 billion. Although its broadcast division saw operating income fall 40% to $138 million -- due in part to higher prime-time programming costs -- the operating income of the company's cable networks was up 15% to $1.72 billion. Disney partly attributed the gain in the cable business to increased affiliate revenue for ESPN.3) let's say you're right, and it's all about brand loyalty. So Fox Sports grows at the expense of ESPN. Do you think Time-Warner or Comcast is going to offer you a choice over which sports network you watch? No, it'll either be part of a sports tier and both with be carried, or part of your basic cable. ESPN still wins with affiliate revenue. They simply aren't affected that much by losing some eyeballs to Fox.
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pretty sure Parker would need the Bills permission to call around, as that would be tampering.
if Byrd and Parker don't like the hand they've been dealt.....they still have the option of going dirty by having Byrd pull up lame with some kind of injury. then he gets paid while missing games without risking long term injury.
I have trouble believing that Byrd will do anything but prepare and play flat out this year. He wants the big bucks, from the Bills or whomever he gets traded to, signs with as a free agent, etc. Having a stellar year is the only way he gets there. His job is to prove to the Bills, and every other team, that he is the best safety in the league, and deserves to paid like he is.
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The hugeness of the existing market is irrelevant if the only player in it has been weakened by lack of competition.
In fact, that just makes it easier for the new players to gain a beachhead and start driving in-land.
ESPN makes most of its money from affiliate revenues, and that is growing every year, and has a substantial impact on Disney's bottom line. Last year Forbes named ESPN as the world's most valuable media property.
The reality is that there is not another media property in the world worth as much as ESPN because no media asset delivering content generates close to as much money.and
There are fears that spending on sports rights fees will crimp ESPN’s profitability going forward as competition heats up from Fox Sports and NBC Sports. ESPN recently agreed to double the annual rights fees it pays for Major League Baseball and last year reached an eight year, $15.2 billion deal to broadcast the National Football League.The reality is that the value of sports on television is only increasing, as much of the viewing public moves to watching programs on delay, limiting the effectiveness of advertising. It is a problem that ESPN does not have to worry about as 99.4% of sports events on TV are watched live, according to Disney CFO Jay Rasulo.
My guess is, rather than viewing ESPN being weak as a result of it's poor programming, Fox believes that they can build a valuable cable property and charge real money just like ESPN. Will they create a situation where ESPN isn't able to get the carriage fees it currently demands remains to be seen.
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All the snide comments about manufacturing stories won't save you from the fact that what I am saying is absolutely true. They're leaving their options open because they don't know if he will be ready. If they did, then the exemption would be of no purpose, other than to give the team an additional roster spot in the interim.
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Les Carpenter had some serious access in OBD
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I think you'd have to be pretty naive to think the Patriots organization was just sitting idly by waiting to see how this turned out. Cops, prosecutors, politicians, etc., that know what is happening in the investigation and Kraft isn't going to have a pipeline into any of that? Right next door in Foxboro?? No friggin way.
You're right, and as Brian Billick points out, pretty much every NFL team has security personnel who use their contacts to get info for upper management to assist them in making informed decisions.
"Virtually every club in the league," Billick said, "via the NFL as a whole and individually, have any number of staff -- security staff -- that, as you said, are former FBI or former detectives there, in the principalities which they reside, that are there (on) full-time status to monitor, help the players transition as they travel ... but obviously with their connections with a number of these institutions, that they're able to tap back into relationships that they have to find out what's going on."
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The Blackberries, aka Humble Pie's backup singers; Venetta Fields, Clydie King and Sherlie Matthews. Venetta was born in Buffalo, and all three ladies sang with many famous bands.
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So it is fully-guaranteed.
Peter Schrager inaccurately tweeted it was fully-guaranteed, and CBS Sports ran with it.
Breaking: Terms on EJ Manuel's contract with the Bills-- 4 years, $8.9 mm- Fully guaranteed. $4.84 million signing bonus.
Spiller sounds like he is likely to come back
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and there's this from Sammy...